Author Topic: Hamlin x Flying Dragon (Read 8913 times)

Florian · « **on:** May 25, 2018, 03:21:13 PM »

I have recently received budwood of this cross and grafted it on Poncirus. This is actually only my second succesful graft.
However, I can find very little information on it and would be grateful if anyone could share what they know.

cheers

Ilya11 · « **Reply #1 on:** May 26, 2018, 03:39:43 AM »

I have it, got the wood from Robert (Zitrusgaertner) in 2012. On own roots it is not enough resistant and grows rather slowly.
In 2013 I low grafted it on poncirus, it is in ground without protection since 2014, no winter damage up to now.
It comes probably from a free pollinated immature seedling of initial hybrid , since only a small number of leaves are trifoliate.

Approximately 1.5m high, but has not flowered yet.

Florian · « **Reply #2 on:** May 26, 2018, 08:01:09 AM »

At least it is quite hardy, that's a good start:-).
Do you know where the original cross came from?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #3 on:** May 26, 2018, 12:48:13 PM »

I really do not know, most probably actual budwood is from Andi Voss plant.
http://www.zitrusgarten.net/homepage/bilder-c/Beschreibung-Z.htm
In a literature there is description of tetraploid hybrid obtained by somatic cell hybridization.

Florian · « **Reply #4 on:** May 26, 2018, 02:18:51 PM »

A few days ago, I emailed Andi Voss but haven't got a reply yet. I am curious whether his plant has flowered and how hardy it is up there compared to your place, Ilya.

hardyvermont · « **Reply #5 on:** May 26, 2018, 09:35:51 PM »

How thick are the leaves?

University of Florida created a tetraploid plant by combining protoplasts of Hamlin and Flying Dragon.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00272965

Ilya11 · « **Reply #6 on:** May 27, 2018, 03:52:56 AM »

It is probably another variety, since tetraploid somatic hybrid has only trifoliate leaves

Florian · « **Reply #7 on:** May 27, 2018, 06:23:14 AM »

Quote from: hardyvermont on May 26, 2018, 09:35:51 PM

How thick are the leaves?

University of Florida created a tetraploid plant by combining protoplasts of Hamlin and Flying Dragon.

https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF00272965

I can't really tell how thick the leaves are since they have not yet hardened fully.

mikkel · « **Reply #8 on:** May 28, 2018, 02:16:12 AM »

Hamlin x FD from Andreas Voss is a seedling of this hybrid. He got seeds from Riverside.

Ilya11 · « **Reply #9 on:** May 28, 2018, 03:27:43 AM »

Was it flowering at his garden?

mikkel · « **Reply #10 on:** May 28, 2018, 10:09:48 AM »

It´s been some years I visited his garden. I really can`t remember.

Florian · « **Reply #11 on:** May 30, 2018, 11:20:38 AM »

Quote from: mikkel on May 28, 2018, 02:16:12 AM

Hamlin x FD from Andreas Voss is a seedling of this hybrid. He got seeds from Riverside.

I've just received a response from Andreas. Last year, his plant flowered for the first time. Unfortunately, there are no flowers this year. Fruit quality will remain a mystery for at least another year.

However, he said it is extremely coldhardy and unscathed after -12C. (10.4-F). I guess that is quite promising even if the fruit should not turn out to be the best tasting. A small step into the right direction..?

Zitrusgaertner · « **Reply #12 on:** June 02, 2018, 03:56:36 PM »

I grew HaminXFD from seed but don't remember who gave it to me. Maybe Andi. I lost the plant years ago. Nice that it still lives with you, Ilya!

luckyjimi · « **Reply #13 on:** November 17, 2021, 01:11:35 PM »

Mikke, Roberto, Ilya it means that we have two different FDxHamlin seedlings in Europę. One is Ilya from seedling's Roberto and second from A Voss. Please correct me if I wrong.
What is origin the plants of A.Voss?

mikkel · « **Reply #14 on:** November 17, 2021, 01:49:24 PM »

A.Voss received seeds from UCRiverside. There are probably several types around.

luckyjimi · « **Reply #15 on:** November 17, 2021, 02:27:29 PM »

I have from you it means propably from A. Voss.

mikkel · « **Reply #16 on:** November 18, 2021, 01:58:18 PM »

yes I`ve got mine from Andreas Voss. How are yours? Any pictures?

mikkel · « **Reply #17 on:** November 18, 2021, 02:06:56 PM »

Andreas Voss once posted the seeds he received from the UCR on his website. If I remember correctly, there should be at least 12 different seedlings...

Florian · « **Reply #18 on:** November 18, 2021, 05:36:17 PM »

Has anybody ever had fruit from their plant? Haven't heard from Andreas since my above post from 2018.

luckyjimi · « **Reply #19 on:** November 21, 2021, 12:56:26 PM »

Ilya11 · « **Reply #20 on:** November 22, 2021, 01:03:26 PM »

My guess is that the seedlings of Andreas and Robert are similiar, both most probably of nucellar origin.

Zitrusgaertner · « **Reply #21 on:** November 30, 2021, 05:06:12 AM »

Ilya,
I am quite sure that my seeds came from Andi Voss. He shared what he had got from Riverside with some other people. One of them was me

tedburn · « **Reply #22 on:** November 30, 2021, 07:03:48 AM »

Interesting Discussion - but anyone with fruits, pictures ? Taste ?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #23 on:** August 29, 2022, 11:19:43 AM »

Finally this year there is one fruit hanging. I missed its flowers in the spring.

tedburn · « **Reply #24 on:** August 29, 2022, 05:01:42 PM »

Nice Ilya, so we are curious to your taste test in a few months

1rainman · « **Reply #25 on:** August 29, 2022, 11:12:19 PM »

Hamlin is the most cold hardy of the good juice oranges but a tangelo is slightly more cold hardy. That would be a good choice to use in further breeding.

Florian · « **Reply #26 on:** August 30, 2022, 09:52:52 AM »

Oh, excellent! Mine still has not flowered yet and I don't know of anybody else who has had flowers.

luckyjimi · « **Reply #27 on:** September 16, 2022, 03:58:34 PM »

Thank you for photo 😯 Ilya.

mikkel · « **Reply #28 on:** November 22, 2022, 09:49:25 AM »

Quote from: Ilya11 on August 29, 2022, 11:19:43 AM

Hello Ilya, Is this fruit already ripe?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #29 on:** November 22, 2022, 10:49:23 AM »

Not really, but it is much larger now.

We have not yet had any frost by now, will pick it in the beginning of December.

mikkel · « **Reply #30 on:** November 22, 2022, 12:57:36 PM »

nice!
Did you get the tree from Bernhard Voss?
There are sedlings from Andreas Voss around. I wonder if yours is the same or a different one.

Ilya11 · « **Reply #31 on:** November 22, 2022, 05:28:22 PM »

As mentioned above, I got the seedling's budwood from Robert .

Ilya11 · « **Reply #32 on:** December 04, 2022, 04:53:42 AM »

We expect first night freeze this week, so I decided to harvest this fruit.

Still partly green, 177 grams of weight.

luckyjimi · « **Reply #33 on:** December 04, 2022, 04:42:57 PM »

Do you know when have it showed first flower in this year? Was it bloom in spring or later?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #34 on:** December 05, 2022, 04:39:32 AM »

No, I missed its flowering.
The season was extremely hot and dry, my other inground citruses are rather late this year, probably due to the lack of water.

Till · « **Reply #35 on:** December 05, 2022, 05:06:34 AM »

How did the fruit taste, Ilya?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #36 on:** December 05, 2022, 05:08:48 AM »

I decided to keep it inside for few weeks until it turns to yellow.

Ilya11 · « **Reply #37 on:** January 10, 2023, 06:24:05 AM »

So, after a month in room the fruit is completely yellow.

No seeds, rather thick albedo, skin has lemony perfume and lost most of poncirus like odor.

Fruit is easy to juice

Juice has "soar" smell, no poncirus aftertaste, 12° Brix, bitter acidic taste, very faint barely perceptible internal oils.

Zitrusgaertner · « **Reply #38 on:** January 10, 2023, 11:21:17 AM »

Quote from: Ilya11 on August 29, 2022, 11:19:43 AM

Finally this year there is one fruit hanging. I missed its flowers in the spring.

Ilya, did your HamlinXFD-Fruit get ripe?

tedburn · « **Reply #39 on:** January 10, 2023, 12:56:18 PM »

Quote from: Ilya11 on January 10, 2023, 06:24:05 AM

So, after a month in room the fruit is completely yellow.

No seeds, rather thick albedo, skin has lemony perfume and lost most of poncirus like odor.

Fruit is easy to juice

Juice has "soar" smell, no poncirus aftertaste, 12° Brix, bitter acidic taste, very faint barely perceptible internal oils.

Very interesting Ilya. Nice success.
How would you rank the taste within your frosthardy crosses and other frost hardy varieties of you including Morton ?

Ilya11 · « **Reply #40 on:** January 10, 2023, 04:57:58 PM »

Morton is the best, practically no bitter taste. Thomasville is also fine, but small and is ripe only by spring.

tedburn · « **Reply #41 on:** January 10, 2023, 05:31:22 PM »

Thanks Ilya, so glad that I have Morton in my garden - now it still has to bloom

1rainman · « **Reply #42 on:** January 10, 2023, 05:44:21 PM »

So it has normal leaves? The wild orange with a verbslight trifoliate taste has normal leaves but due to taste I think it's a trifoliate poncirus hybrid.

1rainman · « **Reply #43 on:** January 10, 2023, 05:49:36 PM »

I'm thinking it's probably a Morton seedling. It has more seeds than Morton, huge number but Morton has a lot of seeds. Seems about the same otherwise. I took some seeds from it to grow. It's greening and other disease resistant. Not great fruit but edible decent.

Till · « **Reply #44 on:** January 10, 2023, 05:57:10 PM »

Thank you, Ilya, for your description!

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Author Topic: Hamlin x Flying Dragon (Read 8913 times)