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The season for white sapote is ending right now for SoCal, if I'm correct. I don't know of where else you can source it from as easily as from here. I've never seen it in Asian grocery stores, or similar. At the SB farmer's market it is somewhat common, but always truly miserable seedling quality.

Raindance Seeds / Brian Laufer was selling boxes of fruit recently, see if you can get a box from him. His post isn't far down in the BST

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  The best white sapote easily goes head-to-head with the best cherimoya by my humble, subjective opinion.

+1 on this sentiment.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Miracle gro for cherimoya?
« on: February 19, 2024, 08:13:29 PM »
Cherimoya will do ok in a peat soil, but citrus or cactus soil also works fine. Make sure you get a very deep pot, they get a deep tap root.

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This forum is full of incredible resources and decades of experience. You'd have found someone with this cultivar already if it existed, but it seems like you're more dedicated to the legend of this online only fruit than the real world experience of members. That's the friction here.

As you explain, this cultivar is nowhere to be found, other than in marketing materials from Volcano Winery, that members report is of low quality, or from TopTropicals which has a storied history of falsifying cultivars. Who you going to believe?

I wish you luck finding it, and will leave it at that! Do report in this thread when you find it.  :)

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Either this is fabulous trolling on your part BayTropics, or you're suffering the worst case of confirmation bias I've ever seen.

Bush2Beach has spent many days in HI, had the wine himself, what more confirmation do you need?

If this "Vino Tinto" variety was grown and sold at Pine Island as a cultivar, ever, I can guarantee a collector here has it and has probably already fruited it. I would believe a grower on this forum before any commercial enterprise which has profit on the line, juiced by creative marketing and story telling.


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 19, 2024, 12:08:41 PM »
since these are the only two fruits with the sapote name i have not tried, i think i will wait till i go back to mexico or costa rica, or my local asian markets have some. i am getting a lot of white sapote support so i will consider it. pot proficiency is a plus for white sapote to!

Fair warning that most of the seedling white sapote I've tried has been underwhelming. What you find, even at a farmer's market, can often be just ok cause it's some random seedling. Now, a selected cultivar picked and ripened to perfection? White sapote is a keeper!

Order some black sapote from Lara Fruit Farms. Some sellers here will ship you white sapote too, just keep an eye out. Bonus: you'll also get seeds

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A master class in marketing by Volcano Winery.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: is there a good general tropical soil mix
« on: February 18, 2024, 10:13:01 PM »
Any of the peat based cannabis soil options you can find at a hydroponics store have all ticked the boxes for me for container grown tropicals: quick draining, mildly acidic, very little wood products, and lots of perlite.

The "Patio Plus' Kellogg soil from Home Depot is *close* to as good, but incorporates substantially more wood products which turn to muck eventually. Sadly, I had to re-do most of my plants I put in this stuff and have swapped back to OceanForest. For something VERY fast growing, like a guava or mulberry, you can use the Patio Plus with no issue. For jaboticaba, eugenia, and the like, no go. OceanForest is a great permanent medium for me. Once a plant fills the whole pot with roots, you can root prune it, or up-pot, and you're good to go. The medium from 1, 3, 5, 10, 15g etc is still fine long term.

It is very hard to beat FoxFarm OceanForest as a ready made out of the box product. It does become prohibitively expensive when your plants get to be over 15 gallon, but that's some years out. Luckily I get it at commercial pricing.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 18, 2024, 10:09:50 PM »
White sapote is superior to black sapote, and I think the former is definitely worth growing. Black sapote, especially the named varieties, is pretty good but bland. I wouldn't devote the space to it unless I had lots. I would make space for white sapote, and have several in ground at home which I'll top work.

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Just because it's on the internet, doesn't make it true. Careful!

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Himalayan Mulberry scions
« on: February 17, 2024, 06:14:03 PM »
$5 each, min 4




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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Persian Mulberry scions
« on: February 16, 2024, 03:39:41 PM »



My tree needed a severe pruning. Scions of many sizes available.

$5 each, minimum 4

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Least destructive tree roots?
« on: February 15, 2024, 04:16:35 PM »
Iíve gotta sideyard full of loquats, peaches, persimmons, pawpaws, pineapple guavas, mulberries, etc. Iím really looking to push my zone with my backyard. Things I canít find at the store, nor want to let the deer get to.

I really do appreciate the info though. It motivates me even more to protect them as best as I can.

Fair enough, go for it!

Of your list, the only ones with heavy duty roots are the white sapote. Next worst in the list are canistel and guava.

I would recommend planting none of them over a gas line. If it never needs service, you'll have to pull them all out.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Least destructive tree roots?
« on: February 15, 2024, 02:54:13 PM »
Achacha, lemondrop mangosteen, atemoya, ruby supreme guava, lemon guava, white sapote, and canistel.

My suggestions to not bother with are above. I am in 9b, and have killed lots of these, even in a greenhouse. Even the lemon guava, which is quite cold hardy, is trying to ripen fruit through the wet and cold winter and they turn out sub-par depending on conditions. The same is true for guajavas. I don't really get good fruit off guajava, it can be ok sometimes, but you need a miracle winter and warm early spring for great fruit.

I would focus on high quality figs, white sapote, trial some citrus, loquats, and more bulletproof stuff first. I wish I had gone that route early on, I'd have a lot more to show for my fruit collecting, compared to killing tons of seedlings thinking I could pull it off. Narrator: "He couldn't."

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Green sapote grows pretty well for me from seeds. I'd go for that if you can find one. Anything below 10a, I think mamey is a struggle. Lost every single mamey grafted plant I've owned here in 9b and gave up quite awhile ago on it. I did gift a mamey seedling to the local community garden, and it is doing surprisingly well, but it's an ocean view plot no more than 1/2 mile to the beach.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coco coir as seed starter?!
« on: February 15, 2024, 02:45:57 PM »
What if you mix in worm castings at 10% and then fertigate with duck pond water? Can you get away with using coir?

If you can fertigate / modulate PH with relative certainty, it's ok in my opinion, it's just a lot more work than peat based mediums in which that's already taken care of. A bit of acidifier and calcium / magnesium supplement will sort it out.

Just my experience, anyways.

Eventually we'll probably all need to figure out coir I guess, since peat is not a renewable resource as I understand...

Isn't peat the opposite problem: too acidic?

Peat isn't that acidic. Maybe in the 5.5-6.0 range, which is pretty bang on for a lot of the sub-tropical species. It has good holding capacity, and like coir, can be modulated with acidifier, or alkaline supplements. If you have acidic water, you could probably have really good luck with coir. In my case, my well water is super alkaline, well into the 8+ range, so I will take any acid bump I can get!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 02:39:47 PM »
Mangoes can transmit flavors of the water they are grown with. Oftentimes I can get a clear chlorine note from mangoes which have been grown with, presumably, heavily treated water.

Being honest, most commercial mangoes, with the exception of a couple weeks of peak Mexico Kent season, are pretty shit. Tommy Crapkins is good for flossing and available nearly year round here, Keitt tend to be sour, and Kent tend to be picked absurdly early and sold after weeks of transit ripening or gas treatment.

I will occasionally buy Kents when they are looking really good at Costco, but that's the limit of my mango spend for the year.

Grow your own trees and get some good budwood!

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Yes, rootstock matters. There are known good rootstocks for graft compatibility, which is well studied and documented in apples. I can't believe how poorly some grow on the same rootstock (have 10+ types on a big cocktail apple tree). It is clearly evident which ones are winners. I also top worked a plum with a bunch of different stonefruits and some pretty well didn't graft at all (peaches), and others are questionably growing in comparison to the closer varieties. Figs are probably a bit less picky, but you will certainly see influence from the roots imo.

In the case of pouteria and zone pushing, a mamey rootstock (the standard) is not going to be as cold hardy as a lucuma rootstock and you could lose the rootstock to cold where the grafted section would be fine if it were all the same top to bottom.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: annonagermination true to seed or not ??,
« on: February 14, 2024, 11:42:28 AM »
They'll be pretty close, but not true to seed.

At the very least, the fruit will be representative of the species, but not down to the level of cultivar.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coco coir as seed starter?!
« on: February 13, 2024, 07:32:32 PM »
What if you mix in worm castings at 10% and then fertigate with duck pond water? Can you get away with using coir?

If you can fertigate / modulate PH with relative certainty, it's ok in my opinion, it's just a lot more work than peat based mediums in which that's already taken care of. A bit of acidifier and calcium / magnesium supplement will sort it out.

Just my experience, anyways.

Eventually we'll probably all need to figure out coir I guess, since peat is not a renewable resource as I understand... 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Help! Giant granadilla disease!
« on: February 13, 2024, 02:55:48 PM »
My recommendation is to get it out of that soil. That is the standard potting soil made of woodchips that most tropicals really don't like. Recommend a well draining peat moss mix instead.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: El Dorado CORG scions (fat)
« on: February 12, 2024, 02:14:46 PM »



I sold my el dorado tree to a garden client. Had to prune it hard to fit into the spot, so I have some scions.

$5 each, minimum 4. Will send extras, they range from 3/8Ē down. I can get you a variety of sizes, depending on your needs.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Coco coir as seed starter?!
« on: February 11, 2024, 12:06:54 PM »
I don't really like coco coir as a medium most times. It has no nutrition, is high in PH naturally, and has a tendency to be high in potassium which can lock out magnesium and calcium - you need to supplement it every feeding. At least, you should buffer the coco with a calcium solution before using, and use a weak liquid fertilizer every 2nd or 3rd watering.

It has its uses, but it's not with tropical plants for me.

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I have a kwai muk in ground 9b, not in a great spot in my yard, totally exposed to cold and wind. It has survived a bit of snow and high 20s so far. Another I planted out down in town by the ocean, 10a, at my office, and it's doing great. They don't seem to be terribly fast growers, but I have a feeling the one down in town is about to really bust out this year.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: My Yard 2022
« on: February 09, 2024, 12:58:03 PM »
;D  No way that bear breaking your E. repanda was on you 2023 bingo card. In fact, thatís probably the first time that phrase has ever been uttered. Seriously, thatís a shame.  Hopefully it keeps growing and fruiting for you.

The local bear became really problematic this year, it busted my neighbor's beehive twice, knocked over trash cans nightly, and broke into my neighbors garage unit to steal a bag of dog food. It was one of the biggest bears I've ever seen, honestly. It stole a bag of cat food from an airtight bin on my deck, broke the repanda, stomped on a kumquat, and was generally destroying the area.

Sadly, a few weeks ago, a bear was killed by a car on the 154 highway beside me, about a mile or two away and I suspect it was the one that broke the tree. Part of me is happy because it was actually becoming problematic for residents including myself, but it is sad to lose such a big and healthy bear like that, of which there are very few remaining.

This was a photo of it last year, it was MUCH bigger this year as it had been gorging on garbage and honey, it was really round, belly almost dragging



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