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The R.E.S. Method - Fruit From Seed in 1-2 Years
« on: January 20, 2025, 03:08:19 PM »
Hi Everyone!
I wanted to share some invaluable information that Dr. Gmitter from the University of Florida shared with me. It's about the Rapid Evaluation System they used to optimize the growth and conditions necessary to induce flowering in young seedling trees. Some of this information is already known, discussed and applied by members, but hopefully this can still be a valuable resource for those who do not know already. I think it is especially valuable as we strive to create new cold hardy citrus hybrids, which can take many years and sometimes yield very good or disappointing results.

This is what he had to say:

"We used this approach several years ago to advance fruiting in seedling populations. We no longer use it because it is too labor intensive and costly for our program, with several hundreds or thousands of seedlings annually. Another reason we stopped was because even though we could get to see fruit and make selections quicker, we could not assess tree characteristics or yield potential, and the amounts of fruit produced were small, not enough to do any other essential evaluations such as harvests over time, post-harvest behavior, etc. Once we selected potential candidates, we still needed to propagate trees onto rootstocks and grow them off for further evaluations. And see my last paragraph below for more perspective on why we no longer follow this method.

I don’t know the scope of your breeding activities; however, it might be something useful to you if you are not dealing with large numbers of hybrids.  But you should look at this system as a way of eliminating the obvious losers based on fruit quality attributes, and not necessarily as a way of selecting the winners. I’ve attached a brief research report to the agency that provided funding for our work with the RES, Rapid Evaluation System. You can see some photos and read descriptions of the project here.

OK, how we did this. We budded the new hybrids onto rootstocks, and these trees were planted at a close spacing of about 12 inches apart in the row. We had trellises to support the upright growth, as well as tall bamboo posts, one per tree. I have seen the breeding program in Japan using larger trees, with individual limbs topworked with buds of individual hybrids, and then growing these as single stalks. It was very complicated, as the different hybrids grew at different rates, and they tended to grow together, leading sometimes to confusion and harvesting budwood for propagation from the wrong hybrid. That’s also a challenge with the system we used, growing them one foot apart in the row on the trellis; the tops tended to grow together and if we went back to collect budwood after the fruit were gone, we would sometimes harvest the wrong materials.

The key to this approach is removing ALL side bud growth AS SOON AS IT APPEARS. As soon as the side buds push, because they are soft you can very easily remove them by hand, no need to cut; and while doing so you can also slough off any young thorns that are growing (though I’m not convinced that thorn removal was necessary, but our friends in Japan strongly recommended this step, so we did it). If you’re allowing your trees to develop “horizontal branches” and then cutting them, you’re not doing this right. Removing the side shoots ASAP forces the tree to grow upright and tall faster; that’s the goal, to get as far away from the embryo in the seed as possible. There are theories about a certain number of internodes away from the original embryo as the way to get away from juvenility. So, we were able to get our trees up to 10-12 feet tall in a year from planting, sometimes even faster. We usually propagated the budded trees in the greenhouse in he fall and winter, and began single stalking them immediately; so, we’d be planting 3-foot-tall trees next to the trellis in the spring, to get a jump on things. This might be a faster way for you than grafting onto existing older trees, if you have a greenhouse in which you can grow the young trees in through the winter. In the best cases, we had fruit on our trees the following year, just 12 months after planting in the ground!

Another important trick we used was to bend the treetops once they got up to ~12’ tall over to a lower wire on the trellis. Bending, you may know, is an old method in many fruit trees crops of inducing bloom the following season. And, in some cases we girdled the trunk at around 3 feet above the ground, usually in September to October (in Florida conditions). This was simply a single cut through the bark to the cambium, not removing a ring of bark, just enough to temporarily interfere with the movement of starch to the roots, thus accumulating in the upper part of the tree, another ancient technique to hasten the departure from juvenility. The trees go through a small shock, but the wound heals and they get back to business quickly. If you’re nervous about doing this, or concerned about transmitting or encouraging disease, then don’t do it; it’s not absolutely necessary. But the bending of the top is an important thing that should be done.

There are a few other things of which you should be aware. This technique works very well with some genetic backgrounds, but it is not universally effective. We had some crosses, as I mentioned, that fruited the next year, but other crosses simply didn’t respond at all, despite all our efforts at bending, girdling, etc. Second, although technically when the trees flower and set fruit we might say they are through juvenility. However, citrus trees and the fruit they produce require in many cases a few years of bearing to show their true potential as trees, and to reveal their true fruit qualities. There could be some trees that bear fruit that look rough (even ugly!), may be coarse internally, and of low quality (low juice and low Brix). You might be tempted to cut these and focus on the first “beauties”. But in so doing, you might be also cutting something that is going to be much better after it “settles down” than those early beauties."

I will attach some photos of the document that details this system further. I am also working on a video that describes this system and how we are using it as a tool for breeding and selecting. Enjoy!












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« Reply #1 on: January 20, 2025, 03:53:49 PM »
Thank you for posting all this!

I have some concerns like how to achieve such a tremendous yearly growth (obviously their climate in Florida helps them a lot) and how to bend the top back without breaking the shoot itself. But I guess it just needs some practice and experimentation to do it right, and it won't be a problem afterwards.

It would be interesting to know which Citrus refused to produce faster.

Anyway, thank you for sharing all this information with us. It will be very useful for those who are just starting out with their seedlings, including myself.

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« Reply #2 on: January 20, 2025, 04:29:47 PM »
I have seen the breeding program in Japan using larger trees, with individual limbs topworked with buds of individual hybrids, and then growing these as single stalks.

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« Reply #3 on: January 20, 2025, 04:46:29 PM »
I had heard about the method earlier but it was good to have it described again with more detail. It could be something I should try.
It would be interesting for me, however, what the advantages of this method is as compared to just grafting young juvenile material into the crown of an older tree or to graft young seedlings on rootstocks that are about 1,5m high. I have very limited space but some bigger trees that I do not want to completely topgraft but would like to use part of them for accelerating fruit bearing of young hybrids.
According to my experience all seedlings - at least Poncirus and its hybrids - bloom at about 2m height. So I guess that height is what counts.

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« Reply #4 on: January 20, 2025, 05:32:16 PM »
I have done my own practices and have achieved some interesting results, but it is very difficult to manage, especially in cold places, where the cold and dry wind would burn the bare and erect stem. I was able to achieve rapid flowering at 3.5m on rampurg, rough lemon, bitter orange chinotto (a seed without dwarfing). Also on a hybrid lemon Genoa x C. maxima. But some did not produce fruit, only flower. I am leaving this method and changing it in a way... at 2.5m I take a branch from the top and graft it below so that it forms a new top lower down. I suppose the theory is that: "the more the cells of the apical bud divide, the more this tissue ages." I need to clarify the things that I did "not so well".  I don't graft many of them, they are on their own roots. I didn't always do the "ringing", without being polite... I heard them called "scraping", and I didn't fertilize and take care of the pests 100%... all that may have delayed my practice. I advise trying less quantity, not like me who has 40 combinations and 100 plants in my collection 🤦. With a particular project, perhaps you can be more rigorous and achieve better goals.

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« Reply #5 on: January 20, 2025, 05:42:46 PM »
From my experience ichangensis hybrids begin flower on  low lateral branches. Also Thomasvile seedlings are doing this.
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« Reply #6 on: January 21, 2025, 12:37:14 AM »
Great post.

Once the video is ready, please post it. Thanks!

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« Reply #7 on: January 21, 2025, 06:50:09 AM »
Ilya11,  How soon do your Thomasville seedlings start blooming for their first time?  Also how tall at that point?

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« Reply #8 on: January 21, 2025, 07:11:36 AM »
I agree that depending on the climate, this process may take longer and involve different challenges. The conditions they were growing in were completely optimized, being in a subtropical climate, and in a greenhouse with fertigation and no significant dormant period. Applying these principles though can expedite the vertical growth and shorten the juvenile period, at least in the sense of reaching a flowering stage sooner. Despite lacking a greenhouse tall enough, I will do my best to apply these principles outside. Our current and most promising hybrid, Tri-Clem-Yuz No.1 was able to reach a height of nearly 6 feet tall or 1.8 meters in a single growing season after being grafted onto 1-year old trifoliate orange rootstock. This hybrid was germinated just last Winter. With a bit of luck, it may flower in the next 2 years.

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« Reply #9 on: January 21, 2025, 10:30:06 AM »
Ilya11,  How soon do your Thomasville seedlings start blooming for their first time?  Also how tall at that point?
I have done it several times, the strongest seedlings managed to flower in three years, they were approximately 2 m tall.
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« Reply #10 on: January 21, 2025, 02:02:42 PM »
Thank you for sharing! I have been interested in this very topic for the last year, so this piece was very insightful!

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« Reply #11 on: January 21, 2025, 04:44:36 PM »
You're welcome! Hopefully this information has some utility, and we can all contribute our individual experiences.

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« Reply #12 on: January 21, 2025, 05:26:26 PM »
My seedlings flowered at a certain height but not always at the highest twigs. The total size and height of the tree did matter not so much the special position of the twigs that were to flower.

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« Reply #13 on: January 25, 2025, 02:58:12 PM »
My seedlings flowered at a certain height but not always at the highest twigs. The total size and height of the tree did matter not so much the special position of the twigs that were to flower.

It's very interesting that the special positioning of certain branches matters, and can be different between varieties.

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« Reply #14 on: January 25, 2025, 07:02:40 PM »
Yes. But partly that is quite not totally surprising. I do not know any tree that first flowers on the highest branches. Why should citrus do? It is in fact improbable that the highest and strongest growing twigs form flower buds. The trees that I have observed (fruit trees of Roseaceae family, walnut, chestnut, hazelnut) always form flowers buds on weaker growing twigs which are almost necessarily lower twigs. That has probably something to do with hormon concentrations / hormon mixture.

What regards Poncirus, Poncirus flowers usually appear on short side shots. This kind of twigs only occur at lower branches. Even when I use mature Poncirus buds for grafting I have the first flowers not before the third year: In the first year the graft produces a strongly growing usually unbranched shot. In the second year that shot produces short side shots with flower buds. And in the third year these flower buds open. Twigs with short side shots can only be on older wood. And that is not on the top of the tree. The last Poncirus seedling that flowered for the first time had its first flowers somewhere in the middle on twigs that were weakly growing but high enough that they got sufficiant sun light.
I also saw that first flowers of Poncirus tend to be female sterile. That is probably not by chance. I think, the tree wants to propagate itself but feels that it is too small to produce many fruits. It must have a certain sense for its own size or energetic potential. And so it decides to propagate itself in a less exhausting form, i. e. via pollen. Chestnut does the same even more consequently. It flowers on small young trees but ONLY with male flowers.

Poncirus might be special, however, as compared to citrus. Citrus plants that bloom on the same year's shots may follow less clear patterns. And Poncirus F1 hybrids seem to have flower buds formed in the same year on new growth and also on last year growth (winter buds). That may in part explain that a Swingle 5 Star seedling that bloomed for the first time in 2024 had many fruits on very hight positions but also some on lower branches. It seems that when the tree entered the mature phase it entered the phase as a whole.

That a certain position of a graft in a tree does not necessarily and immediately beam the graft into the mature phase could be seen in a pear tree of mine this year in which I had budded juveline buds last year. The shots of this year (i. e. first growth) were very thorny, a strong sign that they remained juvenile for the most part of the year. Some, however, reduced the thorns while they became longer. That might be a sign that they shifted to the mature phase. Pear is not citrus. But perhaps it is a model for citrus. If so it would show that the juvenile tissue needs some time or some cell divisions to recognize its new position in a mature tree.
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« Reply #15 on: January 27, 2025, 11:33:43 AM »
Yes. But partly that is quite not totally surprising. I do not know any tree that first flowers on the highest branches. Why should citrus do? It is in fact improbable that the highest and strongest growing twigs form flower buds. The trees that I have observed (fruit trees of Roseaceae family, walnut, chestnut, hazelnut) always form flowers buds on weaker growing twigs which are almost necessarily lower twigs. That has probably something to do with hormon concentrations / hormon mixture.

It's interesting that roses don't do that, tending to flower on new growth.

Which is maybe why poncirus is weird relative to citrus.

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« Reply #16 on: January 27, 2025, 05:27:01 PM »
I did also notice our Poncirus grafts following the same pattern, not flowering until the third year when the shorter, lateral branches have formed.

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« Reply #17 on: January 27, 2025, 06:23:18 PM »
Roses are a good example against my observation. But I think only seemlingly. There is the tendency in Roses to produce short fruiting wood. I am not an expert for Roses but I think the wild Roses first produce a long flowerless shot and then have flowers on short side shots in the following year. Cultivated forms can be different in that the differentiation between long twigs responsible for growths in lenght and short twigs responsible for flower formation is not so clear. Many cultivated forms only produce relatively short shots that are intermediate between both types and can carry flowers or not.
Roses are perhaps not the best example against my theory because they are more strubs than trees. And the whole Roseacea familiy is even a more difficult analogy as some members are trees, others strubs and some forbs. There are also intermediate forms and a development from one form to the other.

Regarding Citrus I admit that some madarinelike varieties and Kumquats produce flowers at the top of new growth, new growth that can be the very top of a tree. It would be interesting if that also happens with first flowers. I do not know the answer. I only suspect that a young seedling is strong growing and that the strongest growing twigs will not flower simply because they focus on new growth.

The difference between Poncirus and Mandarines is anatomically not so great I think: The habit of mandarines or kumquats to produce flowers at the top of new growth is perhaps the original state. Poncirus has then reduced the flowering wood to 1mm without leaves so that only flowers seem to be build. It is rare that the original construction plan shines through. Because the twig that carries the flowers is so extremly reduced in Poncirus (and some other citrus) Poncirus introduced an intermediate step: It first builds short side shots which then produce the flowering wood which in fact is more a bunch of flowers than a twig.

 

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