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They spend a lot of money breeding these so for every plant sold they get a couple dollars. After a period of time it is less of a concern then after more time the copyright expires. All you have to do is not sell clones.

I think the state of Florida owns the patent. I don't know of any lawsuits against a backyard grower. This is mainly for businesses.

I would like a sugar bell crossed with dunstans grapefruit or crossed with a poncirus hybrid might get something edible that has good greening tolerance. Hermaphrodite plants are too difficult for me to cross though.

Sugar bell doesn't have a lot of greening tolerance. Like just enough. I think it would need to be crossed with another tolerant variety but who knows. We have a sugar bell in my dad's yard.

Florida some stuff they release as public domain other stuff they patent. Similar with other states.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grapes - what did I just eat?
« on: March 19, 2023, 11:00:38 PM »
Probably autumn crisp. It's fall there.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: soil wetting agents
« on: March 17, 2023, 06:34:51 PM »
But the whole thing is wet or the whole thing dry. But I soak stuff when watering.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Dunstan citrumelo and Carolina lime?
« on: March 17, 2023, 05:16:43 PM »
I want seeds of the newer hybrids that have Dunstan and poncirus in the background and are actually edible

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Favorite banana?
« on: March 17, 2023, 03:38:45 AM »
I think there was already a thread about this. Raja puri. It gets about 8 feet tall perfect height you can easily reach bananas. Stocky. Beautiful plant. Small bananas with really good flavor. Cold hardy more Cold hardy than most bananas.

Second would be one of the red types though they are cold sensitive. Very beautiful plants and great bananas. The one I had doesn't get too tall either. They have red bananas.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: soil wetting agents
« on: March 16, 2023, 06:59:33 PM »
Once peat is wet it stays wet. I just soak it several times when new. Never knew dry spots were a problem.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Florida Buyer Beware - Publix Citrus
« on: March 15, 2023, 08:40:59 PM »
Grapes and strawberries usually have lower fruit quality in hot weather. Citrus produce good fruit in the heat. I do have grapes that do well in heat and someone told me he grew strawberries in Florida but generally speaking. California is not boiling hot like Florida.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: soil wetting agents
« on: March 15, 2023, 08:38:00 PM »
I buy potting soil with wetting agents added and plants do poorly in them and they don't seem to work as far as holding water so I avoid them. Peat holds water really well but will also dry out quickly on hot days. Peat doesn't have much drainage once waterlogged it needs sand or perlite to keep from being too water logged. Which normal soil is peat and perlite.

I just add clay in the form of cheap cat litter. It works really well and is cheap. The main problem I have is less soil and more container size. Small containers get waterlogged easily and dry out easily. Watering them is a science. When I put them in giant containers with my soil mix I don't have to worry.

I add a tiny amount of sand but everything dries out quickly in this heat. Being waterlogged only seems an issue in small pots. I add a small amount of clay and mulch it makes a huge difference in keeping it from drying out.

High end bicycles are usually made in Europe or Japan. Like guitars as an example Chinese made are the worst even the same brand and model Korean maybe Japanese are the best quality while not being too expensive. Mexican is decent but not as high quality as Korean. American made is over priced but there for more expensive models.

It's rare for China to have good quality. Their focus is on quantity and cheap but that may be what you want sometimes and occasionally it lasts.

Practically nothing is made in USA because we have the world's most valuable currency. Without tariffs we can't compete. A Mexican making $8 an hour enjoys the same lifestyle as an American making $25 an hour. The corporations are too greedy to allow tariffs and they donate big money to politicians.

I would love a Honda motorcycle clone but they are illegal in the US. Honda gives permission for them to be sold in China and other places. When something breaks you can replace it with a part from a real Honda in a junk yard or order real Honda parts. So if you work on stuff it's real convenient.

You can do pretty good buying cheap bikes, lawnmowers and so forth if you are good at fixing them yourself but I suck at it.

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: OxiDate, Any experiance use this on citrus?
« on: March 13, 2023, 04:42:23 PM »
Nothing seems to help anthracnose on grapes. I just have to use resistant plants. If I use enough spray to get rid of anthracnose then the spray damages the plant. Copper works well on most other stuff.

« on: March 13, 2023, 04:36:12 PM »
Typically grapefruit is more cold hardy than orange. That sounds like the orange side might be a hybrid with sour orange or something. Or a really cold hardy orange at least which there's a lot of variation.

Grapefruit is pretty good in Florida. Red grapefruit is fantastic. Though greening killed them all.

One example I bought a Chinese electric bike. In some ways it was really nice. High quality Shimano gear shifter. But the bolts didn't tighten. They kept coming loose. The entire handlebar came off one time almost killing me. This broke thegizmo to start the thing. $100 for a new one. Then the whole thing started glitching then stopped working all together due to a wiring short or something.

It's pretty hard to design a bolt that won't tighten properly. I mean it takes effort. It would be easier to make bolts that work and they only cost like 10 cents. Same with wires it's just a piece of copper. How do you design wires that work for six months then stop working? It's all by design.

They can build stuff that will last 100 years but they won't make money that way. Occasionally you'll get something good but it's rare.

Like knives. This is medieval technology. How does every single knife have a locking mechanism that brakes so the knife flops around and you can't use it. And by definition stainless steel doesn't rust but they get away with selling really low grade stainless that resists rust a bit but still rusts. Stainless costs a few extra cents and pocket knives sell for $20. I paid almost the same price for my buck knife as all these junk knives. It was like $32 instead of $15-$25 range. It's light years better. They just choose to make good knives while other companies choose to make junk. The price difference to produce the two isn't that big

Here's the real difference. Buck only sells one knife and it lasts a lifetime. So they have to make a profit on it and mark up the price. Junk knives they will sell you a new one over and over so they can have really low profit margins and operate on large volume of sales.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tropical grape update march 2023
« on: March 13, 2023, 02:31:47 PM »
The second image became a link on the text. These are z86 x bd5-117 (stover x Daytona).

They are not as big or robust. Really disease resistant considering they are about 65% domestic grape. 3% muscadine. Complex hybrid with different native stuff in the mix. A decent amount of aestavalis. I lost a few.

Parents have good grapes.

This is my one champion from about 25 z86 x bd last year. This is the only one to grow like a weed. Some disease but overall really nice. I keep trying to root it have not been successful yet.

The last one is the selfed bd seed. The only one out of 30 that grew enough to survive though this one is stunted too. Due to inbreeding though I can cross it and vigor will be restored. Some disease but it has survived brutal south Florida. These have crisp non slip skin table grapes and good for wine and pass on pierce tolerance well.

Very last Suwannee. Some disease but very fast grower. Large grapes for wine or table grape. A cousin of d370

I have to let this stuff get bigger and root some stuff later in the year then sell it. I only had a few Cabernet zehn seeds come up and they were weak and died. Cab zehn is 6% muscadine a half sibling of z86 with even better grapes. Produces wine the same as cab Sauvignon. I'll try to get some open pollinated seeds of it to sprout. Definitely the best red wine grape for the south.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Tropical grape update march 2023
« on: March 13, 2023, 02:17:31 PM »
(z86 x d370) x (v shuttleworthii x v aestavalis)

If I didn't know better they look like aestavalis or similar lubrusca type leaves. The mother which is mostly vinifers European grape looks like aestavalis though it has a decent amount of aestavalis in it. Father looks half way between aestavalis and shuttleworthii.

I have been neglecting them they were bone dry with no water for several weeks. I transplanted them to bigger pots so they'll grow better. They have really good roots would be good for root stock. Surprised a lot are suceptibile to black rot though aestavalis here is pretty suceptibile. South Florida has the highest disease pressure for grapes as anywhere in the country so they'll grow better anywhere else including north Florida.

This one has a lot of black rot holes in the leaves. I killed one because it had a lot of black rot. Sadly 2/3 of these will be males with no grapes 1/3 female.

This one is beautiful. No black rot. A tiny amount of rust fungus. More disease resistant than wild aestavalis. Shuttleworthii level disease resistance so far. These are 1.5% muscadine.

This one is tough but the tiny pot was a problem. I'll probably get rid of it because I don't have space. Awesome roots.

Last one. This one shows muscadine level disease resistance. Actually better than most muscadines because even they get black rot here. Ideal mix of tough genes from muscadine, aestavalis and shuttleworthii. Definitely keeping this one. Grapes should be better than muscadine too but hard to say. I would rate aestavalis a bit lower than muscadine, shuttleworthii a bit higher, the female parent had awesome grapes better than the store though a bit small.

Amazon. They started censoring a lot a few years ago along with Facebook and the rest. 1 star reviews the seller complains and after a few months they get removed. Five star reviews stay up for eternity so you can no longer rely on reviews but they help. Also the sellers push people to immediately give them five stars when it takes a few months to really review a product.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fruits with Side Effects
« on: March 13, 2023, 11:13:46 AM »
Blackberries are a laxative when eaten in large quantities

Almost all Chinese stuff I have bought is low quality. When dealing with name brand made in China maybe 95% is built poorly. If it's not name brand it's like 99%. The problem is almost everything is made in China.

It's cheap. They purposely make it so it falls apart so they can sell more. That's their business model which greedy American business men taught them. I'd rather go with German or Japanese.

I recently bought a buck pocket knife due to their reputation. I keep buying knives and within six months the lock breaks so they are unusable. Supposedly stainless steel but rusting. And they all have good reviews on Amazon. No problems with buck so far. Almost everything is junk unless it is a brand with a good reputation like Honda.

Sony used to be made in Japan. Now even Japanese brands are made in China. They are still good products but not as good as when it was Japanese made.

Chinese clones usually are not of the same quality but they are cheaper.

We have oak trees all over Florida. It doesn't seem to help.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Yellowing Cara Cara Orange plant
« on: March 12, 2023, 01:46:16 PM »
Is that dirt mulch? They'll grow in it but citrus doesn't like mulch. Looks like some kind of parasite or virus. I had tiny almost invisible slugs eating the sap once. Sprayed it with neem oil and got rid of them. It looks kind of like that to me like I'd try spraying it with neem oil.

Could be a nutrient issue. I sometimes crush up a centrum vitamin and mix with water for micro nutrients for all plants. Bone meal is good on citrus because they like calcium they respond well to bone meal but that's a very slow small release. The fertilizer you mix with water blue stuff is best or just citrus fertilizer. Which I would do bone meal and vitamin on top of it for micro nutrients.

If it's getting too wet just throw sand around the base so there's not a hole around it but level or a slight mound. Though if too dry a slight hole helps.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Florida Buyer Beware - Publix Citrus
« on: March 11, 2023, 05:15:21 PM »
Well that's why you grow fruit yourself or buy from a  local grower. It's like grapes. I love wild grapes and home grown. Store grapes I seldom eat them. Even a variety I like such as red globe usually was picked and shipped across the world and not great. Though generally the home varieties taste better too. Same with bananas. They are amazing home grown. Store bananas I seldom eat. Maybe once in a while. Though I haven't had much home grown stuff in years other than a few grapes. I need to start growing more again.

If course I like the plants themselves as well so it's an all around win in many cases.

It has been unusually warm for about 10 years. Mangos don't grow in Tampa normally. Seems avocados are slightly more cold hardy and the size of the tree is a big factor

I don't know them off the top of my head. They just come up when searching. They'll say that they don't ship outside of Florida hence Florida nursery.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What killed my greenhouse banana?
« on: March 09, 2023, 08:58:47 PM »
Also bananas need to drink from their leaves and stems. So high humidity is desirable. Or when you water them spray the leaves. This could be stressing them too. Low humidity in winter no morning dew or rain on the leaves. That's one problem I had in winter which also led to spider mites from leaves not being sprayed enough. But I mist them or run a humidifier at least a little.

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