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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Siberian Mangosteen
« on: June 15, 2024, 11:22:03 PM »
A bit like keeping penguins in Sudan and it makes for hard work. The quality of light, water and soil as well as temperature fluctuations, life in the soil and many other aspects might not be ideal even before thinking about watering frequency. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: repot sapodilla now?
« on: June 15, 2024, 11:16:02 PM »
They are slow but seem to handle disturbance ok but it slows them down for a long time. Seedling take forever, or even longer to produce fruit and some never flower at all. That might be fine for a gambler but I like a sure thing. Marcots can take 6 months, and wedge grafts seem to have a low success rate. Approach grafting works best.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: June 15, 2024, 11:05:18 PM »
Red prawns can handle cooler weather but over here they are very shy bearers and mine has been on thin ice for a while. Penang 88 also won honours at Penang but neither can match a good gumpun or monthong in my opinion. Out of that lot I would say Chanee is under rated and has many positive attributes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time trying cherapu
« on: June 15, 2024, 10:59:57 PM »
Bangkok is a dustbowl getting only 1500mm/yr but other bits would do better for them. Climate vary a lot around most countries. My female trees were bigger and don't even need the males. I know a big fruited lone female tree at 18.5 latitude that thrives but it is in the 4000mm/yr zone.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 15, 2024, 10:53:51 PM »
Heya Jose my old chum Mike Prociv has had a long and winding road with DR and forgotten more than I ever knew. I am not a fan of reds and especially whites that are bland without a good melon or grape taste or are not sweet. I like to line up a whole lot at once and compare them rather than rely on my memory. I ditched the light producers and ones that aren't self fertile also. i hung on to 2 called palmerston purple and colombian red as they are great for taste, big and productive. And I digress.
I tried Mike Prociv's Palora x Vietnamese white (a big sweet white) and it made the grade alright and I took a cutting. One I called Mike P hybrid that was from memory something like a david bowie crossed with a good red that turned out white with pinkish in there and self fertile.....that was good. It didn't taste like a white. From memory I think israeli yellow x palora was good. I thinkj a frankie's red cross with a big purple flesh type was good also.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla varieties
« on: June 15, 2024, 07:15:05 PM »
Maybe I have run out of stories about fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dragon Fruit thread.
« on: June 15, 2024, 07:14:28 PM »
I wonder how many others went through phases with dragon fruit collecting. I must get desert king, american beauty, condor, david bowie,frankies red or pink panther...kinda thing. You get glamorous big purple fleshed ones and then they are not self fertile and the fruit are alright but not quite up to expectations and hardly bear at all. You turn to the best local types, big yellow colombians or even iraeli yellow. You then find nearby people have been crossing them and getting better ones than any of those.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla varieties
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:55:11 PM »
Wow nostradamus and I won't bore people with further details.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:54:05 PM »
At Cairns latitude 400m is ok as some durians fruit around Kuranda. I have heard of others between Kuranda and Mareeba and even on the Atherton Tableland in the towns above 750m but thought it was just loose talk amongst durian enthusiasts. kradum is the most likely I would have thought for that. The mention of Sunan brings back memories of sitting around Colin Gray's shed at Cape Trib swapping lies and tanking up on them. He claims he brought them to Australia and I know they hate the cold btw. I think cutting the taproot of papayas is great but not durian.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Soursop from seeds
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:38:59 PM »
Seedlings grow fast and bear quickly being pretty true to type. The can get to be large trees and you are best off with named varieties that are fibreless or sweet or at least from a parent on known good quality.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant ID CHALLENGE part 2
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:36:05 PM »
I couldn't find the pic anywhere but know theobromas pretty well and can ID at least 10 Terminalias.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time trying cherapu
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:34:18 PM »
If only slightly moist vermiculite is used in the bags with a few toothpick holes it may work better but straight up in pots works well.  The can be separated into individual pots later. They are slow for the first 2 years or so then accelerate. The do not marcot and graft only on to themselves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla varieties
« on: June 15, 2024, 06:27:24 PM »
When the Kamerunga Fruit Research Station obtained what were the leading varieties from India, Thailand, Philipines, Mexico and Florida in the 1980s I think 2 of each of around 30 varieties were planted out. They wanted to assess the commercial prospects of varieties with fruit quality, productivity, precocity and tree characteristics evaluated.
When funding ceased after over 100 years due to a change of government policy in 1994 that decided agricultural diversity is a bad idea the workers left suddenly and trees and current trials remained. I was stationed there from another govt dept briefly before the trees were flattened. Eerily there were cups still on tables and paperwork and stationery still on desks such was the haste of departure.
For as year or so I frolicked amongst the amazing assortment picking freely from a bounty best described in hushed tones outa respect.
The evaluations report on the sapodillas is now a foggy memory but no Indian type made the grade. All those with grit were removed, all the poor bearers were chopped and those with lesser flavour also went. Brown sugar,prolific, Williams, ponderosa, malano or mareno I can't remember all were removed and the last few varieties remained. Sawo manila, tropical, c56? and krasuey were amongst the top types. I tried them all the local Council who received the property chopped them all down. A decade late when I got my house I saw these same types all together in a nursery and realised not all was lost from kamerunga and bought 6 trees of 5 types and did my own elimination. I still have the winner and laugh at others who made bad sapodilla choices.

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They seem to have either bright yellow/orange shiny fruit or dull olive mat skinned fruit. My jumbo flowers both turned to fruit and flowers were bigger than on my other trees. My 2 bisex ones put on a flowering show several times a year and only a few fruit set as only about 2% of flowers are female. My male one is a 4m tall tree now I chopped the top and it has been flowering for nearly 10 years. I have been debating whether to chop it out completely.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First time trying cherapu
« on: June 15, 2024, 05:46:54 PM »
Fruit size varies a bit and big fruited types are more values of course. I planted 5 in a row about 15 years ago and they started fruiting at around 5 or 6 when about 2.5m high. 3 males and 2 females. I trimmed the males right back and they skipped flowering for 2 years but the females still pumped out the fruit like champs. One male grew back as a bisex and is becoming more female.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus lanceifolius
« on: June 08, 2024, 08:51:03 AM »
One is enough and I believe all Artocarpus are monoecious.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Got to try a Golden Soursop!
« on: June 08, 2024, 08:48:18 AM »
It is interesting when you see how contrasting foliage of fibreless and golden soursops are if the are growing near each other. The grey/blue tinge of the true fibreless selections' foliage is also quite striking. I have seedling whose grandmother was the original Whitman's Fibreless and it doesn't have the blue tinge.

Not sure about being smaller Cassowary. Russell Francis of Russel Sweet notoriety planted a golden soursop that is a whopper now and Colin Gray has a big tree.

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About 45 years ago and before the influx of new varieties in Australia, brewster was one of the 40 or so varieties evaluated. While originally thought to be a chen zi there is now some doubt about that identity but it is similar. It was considered a poor bearer of modest quality only. Mauritius was also tested and was determined as Tai So of south African provenance. It was considered pretty good variety with good taste, It is also was of the lowest chill varieties. I am a fan of this type.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus lanceifolius
« on: June 05, 2024, 02:23:52 AM »
I am the opposite and prefer keledang. Admittedly marangs have more variation and are actually 2 species and much bigger trees. I prefer the marangs from the Philippines.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Garcinia grafting
« on: June 05, 2024, 02:20:22 AM »
Lemon drop is a good rootstock for those and will keep them smaller.

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Regardless of whether its a cross it looks good and is a real win. I don't think Berry is cross but I might look with a more critical eye next time I get the chance.

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My orange fleshed one has bright flesh and large fruit.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Eugenia pisiformis
« on: June 03, 2024, 06:17:05 AM »
My one is as big as that and its first flowers didn't set. 

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Artocarpus lanceifolius
« on: June 03, 2024, 06:08:28 AM »
They are usually way bigger and smoother than that. The taste I know leans more towards caramel in a fruity way than tangerine or marang. The sections are bigger than marang with more flesh. There seems to be a good deal of variation in fruits between trees.

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I have an E4 and standard z4 that are around 17 or 18 yo and a big fruited selection of Z4 about 10 or 11 years old. I have eaten a few of the bigger fruited pink starapple types and I think I prefer a good abiu but its a close call.

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