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3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« on: April 25, 2013, 01:35:43 AM »
A friend brought me this box full of green sapotes. I placed a marked Makawao green sapote close to center of photo for comparison. The round green sapotes are considered better quality. Obviously the Makawao is a seedling of one of the round types planted at local experimental station. The Makawao has a slightly pointed nipple which others seem to be lacking. Will do a taste test comparing the 3 types side by side tomorrow.
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #1 on: April 25, 2013, 06:58:07 AM »
Hi Oscar,
The box of green sapotes looks awesome...enjoy them :)

Thanks for sharing :)
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #2 on: April 25, 2013, 07:27:53 AM »
They look great.  Do you know of any cultivars of green sapote that are more precocious than the rest? 

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #3 on: April 25, 2013, 04:23:28 PM »
Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from.  :(
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #4 on: April 25, 2013, 05:37:41 PM »
Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from.  :(

A Guatemalan green sapote .

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #5 on: April 25, 2013, 05:41:24 PM »
Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from.  :(

A Guatemalan green sapote .


That one is slightly different shaped than the 3 i have. How was the taste?
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #6 on: April 25, 2013, 05:53:37 PM »
They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #7 on: April 25, 2013, 06:01:55 PM »
They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.

"They" refers to which one(s)?
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #8 on: April 25, 2013, 06:20:19 PM »
Nice Comparison Photo Oscar... :)

Looking forward to your taste test report, to see which one you like best...

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« Reply #9 on: April 25, 2013, 07:18:34 PM »
They look a lot different from the ones I have had here in Florida.

"They" refers to which one(s)?

All of those pictured look different, in particular the Makawao does.

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #10 on: April 25, 2013, 07:32:33 PM »
Here we only have one cultivar available so far, Makawao, so not a lot to choose from.  :(

A Guatemalan green sapote .


That one is slightly different shaped than the 3 i have. How was the taste?

I am not really a fan of sapotes , except the white , black and the round chico we have here . Also it was 7 years ago I collected them in Antigua , Guatemala so I don't remember exactly , must have liked it more or less otherwise I would not have planted the tree .
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #11 on: April 25, 2013, 08:26:38 PM »
Oscar,

Do you recall the source of the Green sapote seeds you started selling a few years ago?

If you have the chance, tell momma/poppa that junior is thinking of starting a family this side of the pond  :D :D :D :D


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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #12 on: April 25, 2013, 10:58:58 PM »
Oscar,

Do you recall the source of the Green sapote seeds you started selling a few years ago?

If you have the chance, tell momma/poppa that junior is thinking of starting a family this side of the pond  :D :D :D :D



Sergio, they are most probably either from one of the 2 trees in the photo. Just not sure if you got round type or elongated type. Congrats on the flowering green sapote. How old is that tree?
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #13 on: April 26, 2013, 03:59:32 AM »
Here is the result of the taste test of the 3 different types of green sapote. The best were the 2 round types of green sapotes. The elongated one while much bigger are a bit more watery, although still decent in quality. Of the two round ones, the seedling and the Makawao (Makawao cut fruit is in center) i thought the seedling was slightly better. As you can see it has darker pulp, and had a bit more interesting almond like after taste, not just sweet. But both were quite nice. Unfortunately there are no mamey sapotes right now to include them in the taste test.
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #14 on: April 26, 2013, 04:55:39 AM »
Hi Oscar,

I checked the paypal receipt; it's dated April 2009, making the tree 4 years old.

So, it's been rather fast for a green sapote, but getting it to set fruit will be a different
matter.

I have an older mamey,  about the same size, that is living up to its fame of taking
ages to bloom.
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #15 on: April 26, 2013, 05:10:57 AM »
Hi Oscar,

I checked the paypal receipt; it's dated April 2009, making the tree's 4 years old.

So, it's been rather fast for a green sapote, but getting it to set fruit will be a different
matter.

I have an older mamey,  about the same size, that is living up to its fame of taking
ages to bloom.

Wow Sergio, amazing you got that green sapote to flower in only four years. That's incredible! What did you fertilize it with?
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2013, 08:44:14 AM »

 This one is planted in my greenhouse, because the soil is better, less alkaline.
 It received lots of water, every day in the warmer months. I fertilize with a
 soluble complete fertilizer that is injected in the line. So, it was fed almost
 continuously. Even so, from time to time, I had to apply chelated elements
 to offset the alkaline issues of the water and soil. Unlike mamey, green
 sapote resents my limestone soil.

 I never pruned it so its shape it a bit odd. It grew tall before it started branching out.

 In my experience happy green sapotes can grow very fast and do not need nearly
 as much warmth as other members of this family.



 
 
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #17 on: July 28, 2013, 03:13:00 PM »

 Hi Oscar,

 Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...


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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #18 on: July 28, 2013, 03:46:07 PM »

 This one is planted in my greenhouse, because the soil is better, less alkaline.
 It received lots of water, every day in the warmer months. I fertilize with a
 soluble complete fertilizer that is injected in the line. So, it was fed almost
 continuously. Even so, from time to time, I had to apply chelated elements
 to offset the alkaline issues of the water and soil. Unlike mamey, green
 sapote resents my limestone soil.

 I never pruned it so its shape it a bit odd. It grew tall before it started branching out.

 In my experience happy green sapotes can grow very fast and do not need nearly
 as much warmth as other members of this family.
WOW! Green Sapote is one i really want to try!  ::)

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« Reply #19 on: July 28, 2013, 10:07:20 PM »
Hello all.
Could somebody with a bit of Green Sapote experience talk a bit about plant care.  I have a small plant approximately 3 ft. tall.  I don't know the first thing about fertilizer needs, PH preferences or water requirements, etc..  Sure I could "Google it" but it is more fun here.
Thanks in advance!!

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #20 on: July 29, 2013, 12:29:04 AM »
Oscar, the taste test winner looks the most luscious to me, thanks for posting. 8)

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #21 on: July 29, 2013, 12:41:59 AM »

 Hi Oscar,

 Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...



Wow, 4 years to fruit? If this were a few centuries earlier you'd be burned at the stake for being a garden wizzard!

Oscar, your opinion that the seedling fruit was better than the grafted variety is why it is very rarely if ever grafted here any more. Apparently, the experts agreed that there was little to no difference in quality between seedling and grafted ones (or marcotted more often) we have here (unlike Mamey), so they decided to stop. The only up side was the potential to fruit from 2-3years after graft or marcot, but even then some were taking as long as seedlings to fruit anyway and were not as prolific.

I cant wait for the season to start again. Mmmmm.

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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #22 on: July 29, 2013, 04:31:05 AM »

 Hi Oscar,

 Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...


Great to see it Sergio, congrats! Be prepared for long wait to maturity as fruits take several months to become ripe.
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #23 on: July 29, 2013, 04:35:30 AM »

 Hi Oscar,

 Hundreds of dry flowers later, this one seems to have beaten the odds...



Wow, 4 years to fruit? If this were a few centuries earlier you'd be burned at the stake for being a garden wizzard!

Oscar, your opinion that the seedling fruit was better than the grafted variety is why it is very rarely if ever grafted here any more. Apparently, the experts agreed that there was little to no difference in quality between seedling and grafted ones (or marcotted more often) we have here (unlike Mamey), so they decided to stop. The only up side was the potential to fruit from 2-3years after graft or marcot, but even then some were taking as long as seedlings to fruit anyway and were not as prolific.

I cant wait for the season to start again. Mmmmm.

My experience is that grafted green sapote trees take 1/2 the time to fruit than seedlings. I think the problem you point to only means that you don't have advanced cultivar selections in Australia. We don't have them here either, only one cultivar. And i doubt that one was really selected as being superior quality. Probably was just chosen because it was a mature tree only. I'm guessing that advanced cultivars do indeed exist in Guatemala, but just haven't made it here yet.
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Re: 3 Types of Green Sapote (Pouteria viridis)
« Reply #24 on: October 15, 2013, 01:45:04 PM »
My green sapote