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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Loquat (Eriobotrya japonica) cold tolerance
« on: March 11, 2023, 02:15:06 PM »
At what temperature does loquat not fruit? I heard if the temperature goes below -3 or -4 it doesnt fruit, is that true?
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I have grown Heritage raspberry in Florida (zone 9b). They benefit from shade and mulch when it gets hot. They don't live very long (due to disease more than heat I believe) but I could get them to last 2-3 years. I think you will fare better with them since you have dryer weather. Heritage has excellent classic raspberry flavor. There is one that would probably do very well for you called Dorman Red. It has Australian native raspberry in its parentage. The flavor is a little different.i will try heritage, our weather is really dry except the summer months. This fall we didnt get a total over 10mm, i dont think we have a lot of diseases around here cause raspberries arent such a common thing for people to plant
I don't know about the heritage variety. We had raspberries and blackberries in Florida. Raspberry does worse than blackberry and some varieties are more heat tolerant than others but generally speaking they survive heat and will even produce berries but they grow better in cooler climates. I doubt that it would die.alright thank you, i will give it a try, i was wondering cuz i have heard somewhere it eas just heat tolerant up to 8b
yea you’ll need 2 for good fruit production even if they’re marketed as the “self fertile” variety. Don’t get me wrong thr self fertile ones will make a fruit sparingly, but 2 is just so much more worth it.deffo but i cant find another variety!
You can graft 2 types onto one stock, online says grafting is difficult but not impossible. The colder it is outside the better they taste
I believe 2 cultivars/varieties or seedlings are needed for cross pollinationi cant find 2 different ones so i will get one and see
YOU ONLY NEED ONE TREE. I have one nazemetz and it Produces a ton of fruit, more than we can eat, and it’s a small tree.i dont have any other choice, i will get one and see. I cant find a different variety and i dont have space
our minimum average temp is 32f in january, i know things like prickly pear, persimmon, loquat and of course figs, pomegranate etc i will start with feijoa, kiwi, blueberrys then progress into maybe normal guavasthis is the best USDA-hardiness map I have found of europe that includes Greece:yes i have seen map, most maps except this one say 9a, this says borderline 8b-9a but i asked cuz i was thinking there might be some mistake
I am on the border of 10a and 9b. In my case, as much as I wish it were 10a it is definitely not. Most accurately you are probably in Zone 9a. Lean towards the colder zone for your first plantings and experiment from there. As climate change progresses, you will probably need to worry less and less. I have seen notable changes in just 10 years.
Zone 9: The minimum average temperature range is 20°F to 30°F.
Zone 9a: The minimum average temperature range is 20°F to 25° F.
Zone 9b: The minimum average temperature range is 25°F to 30°F.
I think that you have a chance with short cycle bananas such as Viente Cohol. Your climate sounds very similar to North Florida/ South Georgia/ South Alabama where there has recently been a lot of research done recently on production of short cycle bananas. Here is a good but lengthy article from Auburn University about one such trial at Fair Hope Alabama. There is a lot of great information in the article including an average minimum temperature graph for you to compare with your location.thanks, i will go to read the article!!
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://etd.auburn.edu/bitstream/handle/10415/5082/Edgar%2520Vinson,%2520Spring%25202016.pdf%3Fsequence%3D2%26isAllowed%3Dy&ved=2ahUKEwitv_aWlt77AhXuVTABHRgIBH8QFnoECCYQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3oaLcEsxgu5qmrkuu0OdaV
this is the best USDA-hardiness map I have found of europe that includes Greece:yes i have seen map, most maps except this one say 9a, this says borderline 8b-9a but i asked cuz i was thinking there might be some mistake
Strawberry tree,Arbutus unedoi am thinking of paw paw but it isnt self fertile and i dont have much space, so i think i will go for just the 2 guavas
Pineapple Guava,Feijoa sellowiana
paw paw,Asimina triloba
Guabiju,Myrcianthes pungens(maybe)
Pecan trees?
Subtropicals in pots,greenhouse
Some tropicals inside the house
In my subtropical greenhouse avocado is ripe next year, so I think there is no chance to get fruits from tree, in area where is - 6C during winter, no matter how hardy is the tree itself.i am asking cuz i saw a huge tree with a lot of avocados in a village in south france, we have the same mean min temperatures in january etc, around 34f, but it gets lower some days
An online source from the Canary Islands claims that the cultivar "Gomera," specifically "Gomera-1" is the most cold hardy rootstock/mango variety available in Europe, growing in coastal Mediterranean areas. Apparently the mature trees can survive short freezes up to -4°C, and its even been indicated to fruit in Southern France (although I assume it has a million protections going for it).alright thank you i will search for those two
If not that, the Mallika dwarf mango is one available in the US that is suggested for attempting to plant in zone 9 or colder regions. No clue on availability for that cultivar in europe. Good luck.
you think edulis wont produce fruits? I have planted one in a pot right now i still havent put it outside yet.Szechuan pepper will grow there.yeah many peppers and vegetables grow here but i dont want them
Just to clarify, zanthoxylym (the genus for szechuan pepper; which species is used is contentious and subject to political considerations) is a shrub/tree that is a fairly close citrus cousin.
It's completely different from both black pepper (piper nigrum) and chili peppers (capsicum).
Certainly deserves more press as it seems to be getting in continental Europe for its excellent pairing qualities, but I'm not sure it qualifies as a fruit.
-6C is what we have here in the part of Alabama where I'm planting stuff at the moment. I'm confident the Passiflora Edulis will come back from the roots when spring rolls around, but it and all of my mandarins and Meyer lemon, and limequat have all defoliated already during the first few frosts. Feijoa is looking great as is loquat. Some newer selections of strawberry guava and recent imports of Feijoa look like great choices and will be getting planted if I come across them.
One of my most exciting things to plant will be pears though, as I'm finding there are excellent selections which exist in nurseries, Asian and Euro types.
One thing I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned more frequently is Butia species.
I have a Butia capitata and a Butia eriospatha in the ground, and high hopes for both. Love the fruit from the selections I've found in California.
No cold hard mangoes or edible bananas. You'll need a greenhouse or a way of protection in the long run.alright thank you!
Blue java banana, some say resistant to -6°Cyes i checked it, it says up to 7c could be right tbh hut not sure
I bought some on ebay in the spring and got scammed off.
I received cucumber seeds instead.
But still I couldn't check anything myself about its hardiness