Author Topic: JF Annona grafting in Florida (Read 7363 times)

Vernmented · « **on:** May 30, 2018, 02:21:49 PM »

Calostro seems to be doing well here in Sarasota. I try to get out and hand pollinate when I can but this also seems to set readily on its own. Fruits are tasty and it grows well on my Dream rootstock.

This fruit set after the heavy pruning I did for hurricane Irma. I picked it in early May and it still tasted good despite overwintering and hanging on the tree after it was HEAVILY pruned in Spring.

The La Habra Sun is quite prolific and great flavored.

I have some LM-3s hanging now which I am really excited to try

Also, various other stuff has small fruits or flowers. Anona Dulce, Arka Sahan, Birula, Pink's Mammoth, Big Green......

Thanks Frank! It is exciting to try all this stuff.

simon_grow · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2018, 02:39:52 PM »

Fruit looks great, I’m eager to hear your report on the Fruit, especially from the LM 3. Did you have to hand pollinate the LM 3 to get fruit? It would be great to hear from a Floridian on how the LM 3 compares to something like the Dream Annona. Please keep us updated!

Simon

kh0110 · « **Reply #2 on:** May 30, 2018, 03:47:58 PM »

Great looking fruits! In Cali, Calostro has the most chewiest flesh of all APs here. And from the cut fruit photo, I could see that the fruit also has some grittiness around the seed alveoles along with some sprouted seeds as well. I was hoping the Florida growing conditions would correct these annoyances.

FlyingFoxFruits · « **Reply #3 on:** May 30, 2018, 04:05:08 PM »

That's bodoss

skhan · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2018, 10:18:13 AM »

Great news and thanks for the report.
This is good news for the rest of us in FL.
Now I just have to kill all these leaf Hoppers

Vernmented · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2018, 04:13:52 PM »

Quote from: simon_grow on May 30, 2018, 02:39:52 PM

Fruit looks great, I’m eager to hear your report on the Fruit, especially from the LM 3. Did you have to hand pollinate the LM 3 to get fruit? It would be great to hear from a Floridian on how the LM 3 compares to something like the Dream Annona. Please keep us updated!

Simon

I try to get out every night there are flowers and hand pollinate.

Quote from: kh0110 on May 30, 2018, 03:47:58 PM

Great looking fruits! In Cali, Calostro has the most chewiest flesh of all APs here. And from the cut fruit photo, I could see that the fruit also has some grittiness around the seed alveoles along with some sprouted seeds as well. I was hoping the Florida growing conditions would correct these annoyances.

There was some of those gritty pockets around the seed but it didn't bother me too much. I am excited to try some more during the regular season. I picked some before hurricane Irma hit and they were tasty but things were so crazy around here I didn't really sit down and analyze them.

skhan · « **Reply #6 on:** April 23, 2019, 08:22:26 AM »

Quote from: Vernmented on May 30, 2018, 02:21:49 PM

Calostro seems to be doing well here in Sarasota. I try to get out and hand pollinate when I can but this also seems to set readily on its own. Fruits are tasty and it grows well on my Dream rootstock.

This fruit set after the heavy pruning I did for hurricane Irma. I picked it in early May and it still tasted good despite overwintering and hanging on the tree after it was HEAVILY pruned in Spring.

The La Habra Sun is quite prolific and great flavored.

I have some LM-3s hanging now which I am really excited to try

Also, various other stuff has small fruits or flowers. Anona Dulce, Arka Sahan, Birula, Pink's Mammoth, Big Green......

Thanks Frank! It is exciting to try all this stuff.

After nearly another year under your belt, I'm interested in hearing an updated report.
What is your top 5 considering the different climate here

Vernmented · « **Reply #7 on:** April 26, 2019, 12:27:05 PM »

Quote from: skhan on April 23, 2019, 08:22:26 AM

After nearly another year under your belt, I'm interested in hearing an updated report.
What is your top 5 considering the different climate here

They are all pretty good honestly. The Colostro seems to grow well and size up but there are some hard spots around the seeds which isn't ideal. I think the Pink's Mammoth tastes better than the Jumbo African Pride and African Pride.

I don't have a good read on the trees outside of the fruit because my trees are so heavily pruned and multigrafted. I also hand pollinate with so much different pollen.

Dream is still one of the best tasting fruits I have had. The Arka Sahan was also excellent. It is hard to beat a properly ripened Annona off of a happy well fed tree no matter what cultivar.

I always like to joke around that Gefner is the best anyway since it is so easily acquired.

skhan · « **Reply #8 on:** April 26, 2019, 04:12:08 PM »

Did you get to try la habra sun or birula?
I got three spots to plant, already have calostra and dream. What do you suggest?

roblack · « **Reply #9 on:** April 26, 2019, 04:15:20 PM »

Can almost taste the pics! Well done.

Do you think any of these varieties would do well in the south FL (Miami) area?

Vernmented · « **Reply #10 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:37:32 PM »

I have had quite a few La Habra Suns. They have more of a sugar apple component to them. I haven't fruited Birula yet. I think I still have it on one of my trees.

I think almost any atemoya will do well in South Florida. There can be issues with seed borers but I haven't had any here. They like food, water, mulch, pruning, hand pollenating....

I even have a couple little El Bumpo cherimoya that set. I wouldn't be surprised if you could fruit Cherimoya all over the place with proper care. Time will tell. I have some other Cherimoya culitvars here as well.

El Bumpo fruitlet

Vernmented · « **Reply #11 on:** April 27, 2019, 03:57:38 PM »

Quote from: skhan on April 26, 2019, 04:12:08 PM

Did you get to try la habra sun or birula?
I got three spots to plant, already have calostra and dream. What do you suggest?

Pink's Mammoth is pretty good. Do you have a rollinia? Gefner is a great fruit but super common. All of the cultivars seem to do fine here. Giant Yucatan squamosa had soft melting flesh that tasted like cake frosting to me.

I wish I could be more of a help. Hopefully I'll get a better feel for stuff as I get more trees into my messy yard. I have my first Ilama and Rollinia fruits growing now as well.

kangtt · « **Reply #12 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:13:04 PM »

Josh,
Is there a difference in appearance and taste between the Dream and
the Arka Sahan fruit? Thanks

johnb51 · « **Reply #13 on:** April 27, 2019, 06:30:09 PM »

Quote from: kangtt on April 27, 2019, 06:13:04 PM

Josh,
Is there a difference in appearance and taste between the Dream and
the Arka Sahan fruit? Thanks

Excellent question, as there was some controversy a few years back whether they might be one and the same. I hope Josh can fill us in.

Vernmented · « **Reply #14 on:** April 29, 2019, 11:09:08 AM »

Hey guys,
They are different fruits. I should have some of each this year. Hopefully somewhat ripe around the same time.

Here is the story on the Dream origin I posted a while back. I am good friends with Wayne and a few other long time members in the clubs over here.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=492.msg337694#msg337694

The one or two Arka fruit I had were very good. Most home grown Annona are though.

Vernmented · « **Reply #15 on:** March 12, 2020, 12:18:02 AM »

I pruned out and top worked the remaining Calostro sections from my tree today. It grew well here and even set fruit on it's own without hand pollination but there were always issues with black hard areas around the seeds. I think there are better varieties to work with so I no longer recommend it.

Orkine · « **Reply #16 on:** March 12, 2020, 02:13:49 AM »

Thanks for the update.
I just started having some success with my annona collection. Got some fruits of Birula, AP and Pinks this year.
I have Calostro that took from a graft onto an interstock of cherimoya on pond apple root stock. It is slow growing but should have a full year of growth this year (I hope). I intend to take the tip off and strip the few leafs it has on in a week or so. In time from spring growth. Sad to hear it has some problems on your coast, may have the same problems on ours but that fruit sure looks good. I'd like to get some and then decide what to do with the variety.

I am grafting more JF scions onto some of my plants. I hope one day to have a collection with 8 to 10 good varieties. Yes I know when I get to 10, I will want a couple more

skhan · « **Reply #17 on:** March 12, 2020, 08:54:32 AM »

Quote from: Vernmented on March 12, 2020, 12:18:02 AM

I pruned out and top worked the remaining Calostro sections from my tree today. It grew well here and even set fruit on it's own without hand pollination but there were always issues with black hard areas around the seeds. I think there are better varieties to work with so I no longer recommend it.

Thanks for the update.
I have a decent-sized tree so I'll let it set some fruit this year and report in if I experience the same issues out east

Guanabanus · « **Reply #18 on:** March 12, 2020, 11:09:38 AM »

Usually, black spots in middle of fruits are due to deficiency of Boron.

Vernmented · « **Reply #19 on:** March 12, 2020, 01:12:28 PM »

Quote from: Guanabanus on March 12, 2020, 11:09:38 AM

Usually, black spots in middle of fruits are due to deficiency of Boron.

Interesting. The tree is multigrafted and all the other fruit is excellent quality. I'm curious if others have the same issues with this variety. I don't doubt that there is a boron deficiency. I may add a small amount to my irrigation tanks.

The fruit is still edible and delicious.

JF · « **Reply #20 on:** March 12, 2020, 03:16:48 PM »

Josh
I’m having the same issues w calostro here this year. Could it be aspects that climate change? The quality of the fruit is still great

Vernmented · « **Reply #21 on:** March 15, 2020, 12:25:43 PM »

Quote from: JF on March 12, 2020, 03:16:48 PM

Josh
I’m having the same issues w calostro here this year. Could it be aspects that climate change? The quality of the fruit is still great

Good to know. Thanks for the update.

I am not 100% certain about this but it seemed like the Calostro flowers had more aroma than other varieties. I wonder if that would be part of the reason for higher fruitset without hand pollination.

kh0110 · « **Reply #22 on:** March 15, 2020, 08:58:41 PM »

Quote from: Vernmented on March 15, 2020, 12:25:43 PM

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I am not 100% certain about this but it seemed like the Calostro flowers had more aroma than other varieties. I wonder if that would be part of the reason for higher fruitset without hand pollination.

You got it right, the flower fragrance is what attracts pollinators. Despite what some people believe, there is no such thing as self pollinating annona (yet), there is always an external pollinator. And the wind is not one.

simon_grow · « **Reply #23 on:** March 16, 2020, 01:11:41 AM »

Vernmented, your LM3 does not look like any Leo Manuel #3 Hybrid I’ve seen. Could be caused by the different climate or maybe even the pollen used but it looks very different in that the bumps are not pointing straight out.

Simon

simon_grow · « **Reply #24 on:** March 16, 2020, 01:16:40 AM »

The Leo Hybrid #3 bumps point straight out at the base and points toward the tip or down on the rest of the fruit. See link for pictures of fruit harvested from Leo Manuel’s yard.

http://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=19336.0

Simon

Oolie · « **Reply #25 on:** March 16, 2020, 01:29:13 AM »

I agree, ruling out pollen induced variance, it looks quite similar to the Leo#1 that Jon Verdick is growing at his Encanto farm.

kh0110: There was a greenhouse in Japan that was completely void of insects where they tested the likelihood of annona producing fruit in the absence of a pollinator, I believe El Bumpo was the variety of choice, and they found that the more humid the environment, the more fruit were produced (without pollinator present).

kh0110 · « **Reply #26 on:** March 16, 2020, 06:10:16 PM »

Quote from: Oolie on March 16, 2020, 01:29:13 AM

I agree, ruling out pollen induced variance, it looks quite similar to the Leo#1 that Jon Verdick is growing at his Encanto farm.

kh0110: There was a greenhouse in Japan that was completely void of insects where they tested the likelihood of annona producing fruit in the absence of a pollinator, I believe El Bumpo was the variety of choice, and they found that the more humid the environment, the more fruit were produced (without pollinator present).

Sure !

skhan · « **Reply #27 on:** September 19, 2021, 09:26:38 AM »

I figured this post would be a decent place to report in.

I have a few annonas from JF's collection planted in-ground and while they might not have ample space, most seem to be doing well enough.

First to fruit Birula and Calastro (I might have picked these too early, but a few were missing from the tree when i went out today)
No hand pollination this year, never got around to it.

Still waiting on RH3, Arka Sahan, La Habra Sun, Hunucma Amarillo, Cuban Red
I have Giant Atis and Hawian Pink but they are tucked in between trees and or struggle for light.

BestDay · « **Reply #28 on:** October 19, 2021, 11:57:51 AM »

How did they taste? I'm assuming the redish one is the Birula?

Bill

skhan · « **Reply #29 on:** June 27, 2022, 03:56:59 PM »

La Habra Sun

RH3

Arka Sahan

Calastro (aka Super African Pride)

johnb51 · « **Reply #30 on:** June 27, 2022, 04:11:18 PM »

Is RH3 the same as LM-3?

kh0110 · « **Reply #31 on:** June 27, 2022, 06:09:01 PM »

Quote from: skhan on June 27, 2022, 03:56:59 PM

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Arka Sahan

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@skhan - You either mislabeled or got a mislabeled Arka Sahan. That is more of an AP. Arka Sahan is like the photo of my avatar.

skhan · « **Reply #32 on:** June 27, 2022, 08:03:58 PM »

As I was posting this i notice this looked really similar to the SAP.
I'll wait till in sizes up to determine. I never order a standard AP since you can find it around here.
Who do you tell the differences in SAP and AP?

skhan · « **Reply #33 on:** August 24, 2022, 06:54:20 PM »

Here a pic of some little dreams tropic sun and the "arka sahan".
It really does look like a AP.
@Thera are there any tells between calastro and AP

skhan · « **Reply #34 on:** August 28, 2022, 07:03:37 PM »

Calostro and African pride (definitely not arka sahan)

spaugh · « **Reply #35 on:** August 28, 2022, 11:40:46 PM »

Are you harvesting those now?

skhan · « **Reply #36 on:** August 29, 2022, 07:11:42 AM »

Yeh, I picked most of the AP.
This was the only Calostro that was ready.

All the other annonas on the Tropic Sun, RH3 and Calostro are under a tennis ball in size.
When i had gefner trees I would pick most of the fruit in October-November, so this is a little early

Seanny · « **Reply #37 on:** August 29, 2022, 10:20:26 AM »

AP should be around 2 lb each at harvest.
They mature 2 months after TS.

I don’t know what you have there.

skhan · « **Reply #38 on:** August 29, 2022, 11:41:43 AM »

Quote from: Seanny on August 29, 2022, 10:20:26 AM

AP should be around 2 lb each at harvest.
They mature 2 months after TS.

I don’t know what you have there.

I got these scions as Arka Sahan, it clearly isn't.
Looks like AP to me, but I'm open to a proper ID lol.
I started getting Tropic sun in early July so that might check out.

I know the different regions will change some of the habits, but i don't know by how much.

all these were naturally pollinated.

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Author Topic: JF Annona grafting in Florida (Read 7363 times)