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IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« on: November 22, 2023, 08:16:30 AM »
Three years ago Bernhardt Voss kindly sent me the budwood of this hybrid.
I grafted it  to PT root. It does look very different from another variety that has a similar  name  and is rather widely accessible in Europe. I  have it and by my opinion it is a pure early orange.

This year Bernhardt hybrid flowered for the first time, fruits were almost ripe in the beginning of  November.





Fruits have orange-like fragrance , juice is abundant, not bitter, acid like that of lemon, 10° Brix.
 


Albedo is astringent, slightly bitter



Many seeds covered by pectin.
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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #1 on: November 22, 2023, 09:37:20 AM »
There is an somatic hybrid (fusion of protoplasts) of Ichangensis X sinsensis and a normal cross IxS. The somatic hybrid resembles oranges very much.

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #2 on: November 22, 2023, 01:50:55 PM »
Excellent pictures, Ilya. That is exactly what a hybrid ichangensis x sinensis should look like in my opinion. I am also convinced that the commonly available ichangensis x sinensis is just an orange.

How coldhardy is the Voss plant?

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #3 on: November 22, 2023, 02:09:59 PM »
There is an somatic hybrid (fusion of protoplasts) of Ichangensis X sinsensis and a normal cross IxS. The somatic hybrid resembles oranges very much.
Robert, I have some doubt that somatic hybrid described in 1993 Chinese paper is a variety available in Europe.
There are so many barriers for such a distribution.
My plant show no signs  of tetraploidy, its leaves have the same appearance as of common oranges, cold resistance is up to -9C for the short night freeze and the  taste is 100% orange.
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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #4 on: November 22, 2023, 02:13:18 PM »
Excellent pictures, Ilya. That is exactly what a hybrid ichangensis x sinensis should look like in my opinion. I am also convinced that the commonly available ichangensis x sinensis is just an orange.

How coldhardy is the Voss plant?
Florian, the plant has experienced only three winters, the lowest night temperature was -9.5C.
Not a slightest damage was observed.
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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #5 on: November 22, 2023, 02:40:26 PM »
Nice citrushybrid, seems still very rare and new.
Fruit taste seems for frosthardy hybrid good,
question is the frosthardiness of the plant ?

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #6 on: November 22, 2023, 04:24:50 PM »
Good job Ilya, your plants grow very fast. Mine is still small. far away from its first flower.

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #7 on: November 22, 2023, 05:45:28 PM »
Seems to be a nice variety. And an encouragement for me: I pollinated Sucrena as much as I could with Ichang Papeda pollen this year. I hope very much that I get hybrids.

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #8 on: April 01, 2024, 04:42:00 AM »
Does anybody know which kind of seeds C. ichangensis x C. sinensis from Bernhard has?

As far as I remember there is also an analogous seedy cross from elsewhere around. Does anybody know which seeds that has, zygotic or not?

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #9 on: April 01, 2024, 11:57:10 AM »
They are monoebryonic and since the seedlings are very different in appearance are also zygotic.

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #10 on: April 02, 2024, 02:14:09 PM »
Superb!
Does Bernhard sell it?

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #11 on: April 02, 2024, 05:26:55 PM »
Do not know
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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2024, 05:25:16 AM »
yes he does. But only at his home or on markets.

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Re: IchangensisXSinensis from B.Voss
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2024, 04:28:55 PM »
Thank you for the replies. Hmm, so not easy. Springtimes makes creative and my shopping addiction has become awake again. I have to think about getting the plant. Or should I better focus on my own hybrids, especially on my Ichang Papeda x Moro hybrid? Space is so limited... Maybe I shall wait with new plants.

 

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