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Can I cut citrus leafminer damaged leaves?
You can cut them off, if there are not too many of them. But keep in mind you will probably still have to give the tree a spray treatment.

It's debatable whether cutting off the leaves will really help. The deformed leaves can still be somewhat functional for the tree, but they may contain larvae inside of the leaves. The larva will hatch out of the leaves in about 25 to 30 days, and if the leaves have been saturated in spinosad spray at the time they emerge out, they should die. So there is not necessarily a need to remove the leaf.

The main treatment involves making sure the small newly formed leaves are sprayed, to prevent new leaves from becoming infested, because leaf miners prefer to lay their eggs in the smaller newer leaves.
My experience is that once the leaves start to curl, the miner is no longer in the leaf, it having pupated.  So, removing the leaf seems counterproductive to CLM control and limits the trees ability to produce its food. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: mealybug destroyer ladybugs
« on: June 06, 2021, 08:41:51 PM »
Usually buying ladybugs is sort of a worthless exercise because they fly off the first chance they get.  Being contained in your greenhouse sounds like a solution.  Keep us posted on how it works out.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Beneficial Insects
« on: May 19, 2021, 02:47:46 PM »
How many psyllids does it take to infect a tree with HLB?  One bite from 1 psyllid? Or does it take numerous psyllids to infect a tree?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Exciting Cure For HLB
« on: May 19, 2021, 02:45:09 PM »
I had forgotten about all that.  I recently heard a book review for Finding the Mother Tree about how trees communicate with each other and even support the growth of neighboring trees.  I also recall hearing of studies that show when a particular tree is attacked by insects, other trees nearby ramp up production of chemicals to ward off a similar infestation. The production f these chemicals is metabolically expensive so trees don't produce them until necessary. 

It's an amazing world we inhabit. Humans exhibit a lot of hubris in our treatment of the natural world.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Exciting Cure For HLB
« on: May 18, 2021, 05:53:36 PM »
I have never thought about this before, but how does a plant exhibit its host immunity?  Animals have T-cells, antibodies and utilize metabolic approaches such as fever, mucous secretions and such.  What systems do plants have to ward off infections? 

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Citrus General Discussion / Freeze damage recovery
« on: May 04, 2021, 10:01:21 PM »
I lost all my citrus during the cold spell in mid February here in Houston. There were several days where the temps did not get above 22 Fahrenheit.  It seemed my 25 yr old meiwa kumquat (20 years in the ground) would make it. Started making shoots from the branches within a month but now the new shoots are withering and dying. Is this plant toast?





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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Blob on citrus tree
« on: May 03, 2021, 02:00:10 PM »
Hard to tell from the picture.  Snail eggs? They can be laid in a gelatinous mass like that.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Big pot size for citrus?
« on: April 21, 2021, 05:11:48 PM »
Clearly repotting tress as large as those is beyond a homeowners capability.  Must take a pretty big scaffold and winch type system to manage trees such as those.  I certainly wish I could prune in such a refined manner as to maintain tree size yet obscure the actual pruned section. Beautiful trees.

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I always feel hesitant to buy Tangelos from grocery store as the fruits are so much smaller than those from my tree. See pictures.



They always seem to put smaller fruits in those bags. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Higher Fruit Production
« on: April 16, 2021, 01:59:55 PM »
Experiments with red and white particle kaolin clay sprays on leaves to prevent psyllids attacking the trees, the researchers noticed that it also provided benefits of shading both some of the sunlight and the warm humid environment that over loaded the leaves. With new recently planted citrus groves, the researchers found that the shading reduced disease pressure, lessened the water deficient, while enhancing the growth and yield, by larger denser canopies..
Thanks Millet.  I have a large sack of Surround, a white/greyish koalin product.  While it is not red, I would think that would help for a sun screen as well as a psyllid deterrent.  I used it on peaches and seemed to deter squirrels (except the clay doesn't come off the peach fuzz as it does for citrus). 

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Every mineola tangelo I have ever tried from the store has been delicious.  I am surprised to hear the quality varies so much. I was thinking on planting one since I enjoy them so much  Only dekopon was better, i feel.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: April 09, 2021, 01:22:22 PM »
The Rio Red grapefruit had been diagnosed with HLB so the freeze was a mercy killing (i was going to take it down anyway).  This is a pic of the meiwa shoots coming off of a 1/2 inch scaffold branch 5 weeks after the freeze.  All the branches pencil sized or smaller died so the tree looks pretty skeletal.   The satsuma (owari) that died had been in the ground 12 years and it succumbed. Even my fukushu kumquat (5 years in ground) succumbed. 



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Are lemon and limes usually grafted?
« on: April 05, 2021, 04:03:54 PM »
They are too vigorous for me... I ordered a Lisbon so I could graft it onto flying dragon to keep it small.  I can't eat a million lemons.

My motto is 'most foods can be improved with the addition of lemon'.  I go through a lemon per day, sometimes more. 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Happy Easter
« on: April 05, 2021, 03:58:41 PM »
Truly he has arisen!  Happy Easter to all!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Murcot tangerine leaves problems
« on: March 24, 2021, 01:41:41 PM »
I finally got the pictures to load to a size that I could actually see. I noticed that the yellow blotches do not create a mirror image on either side of the mid vein as would be typical of a nutritional issue. This condition is known as blotchy mottle and is one of the early symptoms of HLB (citrus greening). I highly suspect that your tree has it even though it is not common in California to my knowledge.

There is no known cases of citrus greening disease in this part of California yet.  If it really the disease as you suspected, could it be from the seed grown?  I bought the fruits from supermarket, saved and planted the seeds.
Cut a fruit from the stem end down the middle to the flower end.  If the mid-rib part curves, that is a classic symptom of HLB. Citrus should be symmetrical and if the flower end is off-center from the stem end when cut down the middle it's a pretty good sign of HLB.   

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: March 21, 2021, 10:25:49 PM »
What zone was this area anyway, I’m guessing something like an 8b?
It's just a little south of Houston, so zone 9a.


(I looked on two different climate zone maps. In the newer most up to date interactive climate zone map, it is still in 9a but not far away from 8b)

However, Texas did just have much colder temperatures than usual, so this tree probably experienced temperatures that were typical for a zone 8 winter.
I wouldn't be surprised if it has experienced a little bit of branch die-back and leaf defoliation.


If all it shows is defoliation and twig loss that would be huge.  With temps in the low teens and 20's for 3 days straight, if it survived at all, I would be amazed.  I'm about 40 miles north of this tree, but in Houston, and I lost all my grapefruits, lemons, satsumas, oranges and 1 kumquat. Only survivor in my yard was a 25 year old meiwa kumquat that looks dead, but there are little shoots coming out of the bark on the main scaffolding branches. Virtually all the dooryard citrus around here look deceased.   

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Blood Orange Tree not Flowering
« on: March 21, 2021, 10:13:26 PM »
My grafted moro was a slow to produce as well. It was a grafted tree and in the ground 5 years before it produced fruit. Got ample sun and fertilizer but wouldn't flower much.  When it did begin producing is was susceptible to alternates bearing. Not sure my low biuret regimen (sprayed early to mid January) seemed to help a whole lot with quantity, but seemed to lessen extreme alternate bearing tendency.  It didn't start producing good crops until it got fairly large, like 8 feet tall by 6 feet wide.
Sadly, its dead now, victim to temps in the low teens to mid 20's for over 60 hours in mid february. Was planted in 2009, first decent crop in 2014, 2015 nothing, a few more in 2016, 2017 a low crop year, but 2018-2020 were pretty good. 

 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: March 19, 2021, 11:52:43 AM »
I will have to plan a trip out there and see if any fruit with seeds are still there. available.  Also see how cold resilient the tree is!

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Recommendations on a mandarin tree
« on: March 19, 2021, 11:51:02 AM »
Yorgos, the Shiranui tree would be OK, but the Minneola tree grows much taller that 10-feet.
Thanks Millet.  Now to find one...

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: first grapefruit crop
« on: March 18, 2021, 05:20:11 PM »
Beautuful crop! How did your grapefruits taste?  Do you get enough heat units to sweeten them up?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Wild orange in Texas (Brazos Bend)
« on: March 18, 2021, 05:16:34 PM »
Good question.  Are you in the upper Texas coastal HLB quarantine zone?

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Recommendations on a mandarin tree
« on: March 18, 2021, 05:15:03 PM »
How tall will a Minneola or Shiranui tree get?  Have a power line about 10' off the ground I need to plant under. 

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This sounds like a variation of an orange julius.  Or a creamsicle!

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Citrus General Discussion / Recent cold and impact on local HLB
« on: March 01, 2021, 01:28:16 PM »
What do you all think the impact to HLB will be due to the extreme cold?  Most of my citrus trees were killed (Hoping my kumquats made it).  My thoughts are that the asian psyllid population likely took a significant hit.  Also, I had noticed several large citrus trees around here with HLB symptoms (I just took down my 8 year old rio red grapefruit that was diagnosed with it).  With so many citrus trees having been killed in the area, the limited sources of infection could give existing/new trees a breather. That's my gloomy silver lining from having lost so many trees (12, if you don't count my kumquats).

Also, if a tree had HLB and was killed down to the rootstock, presumable any regrowth from the rootstock is infected, correct? 

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: best Pummelo?
« on: February 20, 2021, 06:04:32 PM »
They all taste dry and lack that certain je ne sais quoi. My 10 year old chandler is now in the compost because the fruit was pathetic, though of an impressive size to be sure. Was productive too.  But who wants a productive, dry, tasteless fruit?  Ujukitsu will be similarly 86’d. 

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