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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #750 on: October 19, 2024, 01:46:40 AM »
Langsatfl...I would say at the very least maybe an iron deficiency.  Hit it with a good foliar of micros.

Peter...I understand the need for the huge, monocrop farms, but I like your model much better!  Always nice to have different varieties.  Any time we travel, it's a priority to find a different variety to try.  There are some amazing ones out there and very unlikely to see them in a market.  One of my favorites of all times was La-Ong Fah Farm...one of Lindsay's go-to places.  Here's her blog where she mentions a few.  https://www.yearofthedurian.com/2013/12/durians-of-suan-la-ong-fah-farm-photo.html 

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #751 on: October 19, 2024, 04:21:53 AM »
Nobody grows the older, and yes, even better varieties here in Thailand.  They may have some trees, but any big farm has one goal in mind...the China market.  And that means monthong.
It's not just the Chinese that want monthong - at least where I live, also most of the Thais seem to prefer the usual early-cut sweet cabbage crispy monthong over anything else that's available, and happily pay the higher price for it!

At the local Makro supermarket during this year's durian season, they had a lot of monthong the whole time, one counter section of puangmanee most of the time, often a few ganyao fruit, and some chanee once or twice. That probably somewhat indicates the local wholesale market and demand.

We've ordered rarer Thai varieties a few times from some "durian celebrity farm" that plants a lot of different stuff, but it has never been worth the price. Maybe the fruit have been good at the variety's original location due to age of trees, landscape, soil or cultivation practices (less spraying, cutting the fruit more ripe?) or whatever, but what we got usually felt to me like inferior monthong with less flesh. Won't order from that place again.

So commercially it clearly makes more sense for farmers just to grow monthong knowing they can sell everything wholesale for a good price, than to plan marketing/logistics for planting lot of varieties that ripen at different times and might not produce well or even taste that good in their location (or it rains a lot during the ripening one year and because of that customers think that this variety is bad and won't buy it again).

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #752 on: October 19, 2024, 01:23:58 PM »
Langsat, what sort of medium do you have them in?  Durians like some clay in the medium, a ph of about 6.  Maybe some fertilizer, 15-15-15 or equivalent organic.
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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #753 on: October 19, 2024, 11:55:24 PM »
 I bought one of the grafted musang king together with a few other people and were going to graft them so that all of us can have one. at the end of the day the cost to bring in a new cultivar into Australia would be well over $1650 and you are not buying the tree itself but the genetics which can be grafted to produce way more trees. hopefully it dosent die before we are able to make a few copies.

 Im going to buy a couple of other varieties and plant a heap of seedling in the ground and then field graft once their older as it looks a fair bit easier and also if you fail its pretty easy to give give it another go lower down the tree.

 Frozen musang king in Sydney is between $50 and $75 per kilo for whole fruits and they are far far superior to others. well see if they actually do well in Australia because the climate is very different to Malaysia and also they are just more difficult to grow in general.



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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #754 on: October 20, 2024, 06:28:10 AM »
Good to see lots of activity since I last dropped by. Reading below I see outrageous prices for trees of musang king and I suspect black thorn. I suspect the seeds brought into Australia will grow pretty true and quite a few people have trees getting close. Only the laplaes or spineless Chantanuris would be more valuable I guess. Monthong still dominates fetches high prices everywhere and gaan yeow still gets raved about. Chanee is the 2nd most cultivated variety and darn good. If black thorn is the best in the reckoning of many I wonder what the progenitor seeds brought from Thailand to Malaysia were from. What variety and is it a well know thai type?
Btw they all seem self fertile to some extent and out pollinating makes a big difference. Chanee and kradom are valued for that it Thailand.

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #755 on: November 17, 2024, 09:12:27 PM »
Laplaes, I hope to try one eventually!
I wounder what Laplae grafted plants sell for in Thailand??
And if they are attainable.

Is there just a few growers owning right to Laplaes in Thiland?
Or could one hypothetically visit a few nurseries in the North of Thailand and hope to find some and import??

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #756 on: November 23, 2024, 10:14:55 PM »
Hi would you guys prune this tree so there will only be one leader? Mahalo


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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #757 on: November 24, 2024, 07:11:40 AM »
I have some questions. Is this a seedling, has it ever been topped with the goal of strengthening the branches?
We have a situation like this that resulted from topping a durian and then failing to properly shape the tree after. The tree is a D-99 that is very productive. This last season we attached a cargo belt to prevent the two trunks from splitting apart due to the heavy fruit load.
In a developing tree with two equal trunks if you cut one back somewhere up above the joint then the uncut one will start to dominate which is more favorable than two equal size leaders.
I know I haven’t directly answered your question but have tried to provide some info to help you assess the tree.
Saludos Ben

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #758 on: November 24, 2024, 09:59:10 PM »
hey Peter. This is a grafted tree labeled as Red prawn.  Not sure if it was ever topped or how this tree took shape. that was my thinking with pruning it. I worry that Y shape could cause one of the branches to split at some point if it’s left as is. Right now both sides of the tree are flowering. Hoping it sets a couple fruit this season.

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Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« Reply #759 on: November 24, 2024, 10:25:15 PM »
In a worst case scenario the tree could load up and split right down the middle. On our tree with the cargo belt it stretched that belt a bit and now it’s loose. We usually prune after the harvest.
The idea with cutting one side back part way is useful. If later, there is a split it will be just the smaller one. You’d cut one side off about half to three quarters of the way up and leave the other to dominate.
But with the flowering I’d wait to check the set.
Peter

 

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