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Bumping this back up durian lovers comments are very concerning for all of us in the tropics re zill mangos.

What about ppk has anyone tried growing this in the wet tropics? As I understand this came from Cambodia maybe more similar climate to us in the tropics than the zill mangoes.

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Some great info Mike thanks.

Sorry to derail topic.

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Mike most of the info on this forum re chempedak is old from old posts of yours would be good to update with your thoughts on the best chempedaks around today in 2024? Maybe I should start a new thread. I have a twisted chempedak from your brother and also one of unknown heritage from Trina at fff. I know zappalas have supposedly the best chempedak in the world ďflaming redĒ ? I have never seen trees of these for sale anywhere will continue to look. Have also seen ďdurianĒ chempedak trees floating around not sure where these fit in also Lepoard ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thai mango taste?!
« on: May 08, 2024, 06:12:51 AM »
Mike i now know the hydrocarbon taint you talk about after trying keitt and Palmer mangos this yearÖÖ Florida folk donít seem to mind some chemical taste but I will take Aussie and Thai mangos any day of the week especially maha.

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Yep anything outside a climate control green house forget about it. Iím just near 16degrees from equator and I have had two young durian trees loose all their leaves durian a cold snap almost 2 years ago and the trees are still struggling to recover. This was two nights of 8.9 and 8.4 C. Not sure what this is in Fahrenheit but sure Itís way above so cal or Florida minimums.

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@ Kona fruit farm is there any chance for an update on your durian orchard? I recall you planting many seedlings from very good varieties many years ago

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB mamey ďpaceĒ seeds
« on: April 26, 2024, 06:35:12 AM »
As the title suggests. Is anyone willing to ship some seeds to Australia ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill Mango advice for wet tropics Qld
« on: April 02, 2024, 07:49:18 PM »
David h thats some good mango advice there, i think though that the climate up there at ravenshoe is far less wet than where fruit nerd is (near me). I recorded 4201mm of rain from December to march for this wet season which would far far exceed anything up on the tableands.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Zill Mango advice for wet tropics Qld
« on: March 31, 2024, 09:26:39 PM »
Mick a guy down in nth nsw has grown orange sherbert, lemon zest, fruit punch and a few others likely from same source as everyone else. He is cutting his fruit punch tree out as it is junk. He also taste tested lemon zest against kp and I think honey gold with a few of his friends and I think out of the whole group only one person rated Lemon zest as superior to kp.

He says orange sherbert seems to produce decent fruit but they are not hyped up like discussed on this forum. I would say there is a huge cultural element here with Americans growing up with different mangos to us.

People in the US even rate keitt and Palmer etc
Over KP these have strong chemical taste which mike t has described on past threads and I agree with him 100%.

Maha and honey gold are hard to beat

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Aggressive rambutan pruning
« on: March 23, 2024, 05:56:50 PM »
Mick my mate in whyanbeel did something similar to this with a few if his giant rambutan trees he pruned them back to a stump. The trees responded with vigorous growth which he now keeps on top of but they certainly take regular maintenance rambutan are such good growers here

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top working rambutan
« on: March 21, 2024, 03:29:48 PM »
Thanks guys looks like itís not common but I will certainly try this before ripping the tree out. Fruit nerd yep the rambutans havenít been stung by anything nor have my oranges checked again yesterday !!!!

Mike I have two R134 trees that I could use for budwood however they are a bit small yet probably next years jobs. I have a few pulasan trees that should be fruiting in this next year hopefully. They are no where near as vigorous as my rambutan trees however.

Peter would you cut the tree down to a stump and then cleft graft a few of the new shoots is that how you would approach it ?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Top working rambutan
« on: March 21, 2024, 05:45:39 AM »
Probably a question for Peter or Mike T but Iíve heard rambutan are difficult to graft/top work?

I just ate the first fruit from a seedling tree I planted 3.5 years ago as a small 2ft tree, the fruit tasted great lovely sweet rambutan taste. Unfortunately the flesh Majorly clings to the seed. I will probably give it another year to see if it improves but this is not acceptable and is my first disappointment out of my seedling trees of many different fruits Iíve planted.

Hereís a picture of the first fruit.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are black and white sapote worth it
« on: February 20, 2024, 05:56:31 PM »
black sapote is trash, its a try once every 5 years to remember how bland it is to eat out of hand and forget about it for another 5.

Adding cream and sweetner makes it ok but if something cant be eaten out of hand i aint got time for that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 06:33:06 PM »
I assume this is in response to the resin component near the skin.

It seems there is a strong bias in the Aussie region against mangoes with any kind of resinous component towards the skin, what is commonly sought after in India and the Caribbean. There are many kinds of resin that you can find in mangoes, with the kind in Keitt likely being passed down from the Haden (which got it from turpentine). I'm not a fan of that resin either, but I do strongly favor other types of resin in mangoes like Kesar, Alphonse, and Julie. I actually love Keitt, but quality in commercially harvested ones varies so strongly due to cultivation and harvesting practices that I would recommend growing it yourself and harvesting a well grown and ripened fruit before judging.

On the topic of resin, many people stateside call Aussie mangoes resinous, judging the strong parsnip flavor near the skin as a chemical component, so taste preferences vary greatly with region. Mangoes like Bowen and Maha would fall under this group.

That same resin you dislike is present in the mango favored in South Florida (CAC or COC), and it also has the parsnip flavor, so you will find people on both sides of the pacific who dislike this one as well based on resin.

Very few of the American ones are descended from Keitt with a few notable exceptions, but many American mangoes do contain a resin component Aussies will dislike. That said I've tasted quite a few of the newer selections, and I don't taste it in any of the newer ones like M4 or Cotton Candy (both Keitt seedlings), nor do I taste it in any of the Kent descendants.

Kent has a resinous component from Haden, but it isn't anything like the one in Tommy or Keitt.

Try getting a hold of the Guava or Sein Ta Lone mango if you can, it has an altogether different resin, but it's got a lot more going on and is fantastic (poly too).

Hey mate i think you have nailed the answer, I also did a bit more research on here and it seems that the legendary Mike T has made many comments before on what im trying to describe and he describes it as a hydrocarbon taint and this is exactly what I have found and am trying poorly to describe.

You have covered it well the taste was worse near the skin, and yep none of our aussie varieties, KP and its many prodgeny such as honey gold etc nor do maha or NDM have this trait. Certainly there is a major cultural aspect going on here as to what each place prefers and thats why the issue of americans not rating our mangos highly and vice versa.

I have seen recent reports here of lemon zest and fruit punch and other zill trees grown in australia being compared side by side by multiple people with KP and KP variants and almost no one rates even these new ones as superior to KP, massive cultural difference for sure

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 02:29:15 PM »
Guys these mangos are grown in Australia sorry for the confusion they are not imported.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 02:07:16 AM »
Update I bought a second keitt mango and it had less chemical aftertaste but itís still there, I also bought a pearl and it has been his same strong chemical taste like the first keitt. I ainít ever tasted anything like his in Thai and Aussie mango

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 14, 2024, 06:41:17 PM »
I have eaten over 80, maybe over 100 and never a chemical taste.

You need to give us some information like : 1. Was it hard and not ripe? If so maybe picked early.
2. Was it store bought? If so, no telling what was done to it. 
3. Was this your first year your tree produced? Often young trees of all species just starting to produce fruit will barely have enough sugars etc. to make it sweet and good. If so, try some from mature older trees.

Keitt are a late season mango. They get better tasting if left on the tree till they almost fall off or fall from the tree. If it was not sweet enough, let it sit on counter a few days and perhaps it will get sweeter.

Hey mate thanks for reply yep i should have added more info.

1. it was perfectly ripe the flesh consistency was excellent
2. Yes it was store bought however Iam comparing to other aussie mangos from the same store such as honey gold and these are always excellent, however my own tree grown NDM and maha are also excellent.
3. Not my tree, the fruit was nice and sweet it just had this slight chemical after taste which was more noticable after i finished the mango. Im going to buy some others today including pearl mango and see if there is a difference.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / keitt mango taste
« on: February 14, 2024, 05:51:24 PM »
Had my first Keitt mango today, i dont think i have tasted "american" varieties before.  The mango was ok some mango taste but there was also this underlying what i could only describe as a slight chemical taste.  Then after eating the mango there was also this lingering "chemical" taste in my mouth, my daughter also found the same?

Im tempted to try another but is this what others have found? I have never tasted this in our aussie and thai mangoes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 22, 2024, 02:37:49 PM »
They look really healthy mick we have a few days of sun for a change think they are gunna like that.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Interest in Jackfruit on TFF
« on: January 20, 2024, 06:16:43 PM »
Like mike said this is basically the mango forum and mango gets discussed over and over relentlessly which is great if youíre only interested in mango.

Many of us in tropical regions are growing much more than mango, jackfruit, durian, pulasan, rambutan etc only get discussed by a handful of posters mostly from nth qld Australia and a few from Hawaii and Costa Rica

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: ?!!!
« on: January 20, 2024, 06:10:06 PM »
Mangosteen is certainly top grade fruit i donít think Iíve met anyone who has tried it and didnít like it.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 01, 2024, 05:43:08 PM »
hey nar my rambutan held up ok they are only relatively small compared to yours though so didn't cop the worst of the winds. Some of the big rambutan trees down the road that were loaded like yours lost i estimate 70-80% of the fruit that was mid sized.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 01, 2024, 05:19:02 AM »
Peter we have had wet weather last few years I have recorded

2023 5021mm
2022 3552mm
2021 3120mm

We are probably due for a dry year. Like you say itís been good for my young plants to grow except when we get too much in short periods. I lost several trees in recent flooding and earlier in the year we had 1225mm rain in February which caused some wet feet problems for a few trees and killed
My 6ft E4 abiu.

I have a few 3 year old seedling rambutan trees that flowered heavily one set no fruit probably male one is loaded with fruit very excited to try them and pretty happy to have fruit growing from seedling in 3 years.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: December 30, 2023, 11:39:14 PM »
I recorded 5021mm of rain in my yard this year bit too much for durian but they are ok. A guy I know in the daintree has recorded 6539mm for the year incredible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 - mango experience
« on: December 23, 2023, 10:30:47 PM »
Choc anon and keow sawoy are common in the markets here and I have a keow sawoy tree with fruit now. Kensington Pride still dominates all others 100 to 1 and I guess few can match the taste. There are thousands of street mango trees in my city and I picked a hundred or so KPs from my local park this morning. I wonder why free street mangoes taste so much better than anything you buy.
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Mike the Average Aussie doesnít know anything other than kp I donít think the cult following is as much about taste as it is just ingrained in Aussie Mango culture. A good nam doc mai and certainly maha is every bit as good as kp In my view and the trees perform much better in my wet climate than kp.

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