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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durian planting
« on: Today at 05:22:27 AM »
Thanks for this mate how interesting I think Iím willing to give this a go the thais are always at the cutting edge with durian. Looks like they plant them 1.5 metres apart in the triangle!!!!

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This post was started almost 7 years ago, a few on this topic dont post here anymore. Would be great to see some updates on how this all went and where the trees are at now? Im sure some valuable information could be obtained from both hawaii and west africa.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: March 09, 2023, 02:39:41 AM »
Mick those things are a menace here as well I have had them dig a baby durian out of the ground. Dog now sorts them out

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 28, 2023, 04:45:20 AM »
Two months into the year and already 1910mm of rain at my place!!! And 1225mm of rain for February alone. The monsoon is showing no signs of letting go any time soon with return to heavy rain this weekend. We have two days of forecast ďpartly cloudyĒ coming up so we better enjoy it as thatís as close as weíre gunna get to sun for now.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 23, 2023, 11:55:55 PM »
Peter you comments match what some of the generational durian growers i have spoken too have said here.  In particular quality decline with wet season.  Unfortunately, our durian season is in our wet season and when we have a massive wet season like we are having now quality declines, this is what I have been told by growers here with 40 year old trees. So the quality from the same trees is not the same year to year depending on weather.

I have seen it said a few times that it is easier to add water than it is to stop water, i personally think the drier areas along the coast here could be more suitable for durian quality than where they are mostly grown now.  Areas around cairns and then further north in the Bloomfield area that average 2000mm a year that could have supplemental irrigation in the dry season would be better off than the areas that average 3000-4000mm+ a year.

Lindsay has mentioned this before about malaysia and how the wet areas of malaysia with 4000mm a year average like taiping are not known durian growing areas and dont produce durian of the same quality as penang with a much drier climate.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 23, 2023, 06:00:07 PM »
We are having durian right now as well, D-99. This is earlier than normal but, welcome of course!
Peter

Finca,
Have you seen any difference if fruit characteristics from cloned tree's that you are certain are the cultivar?
Or are the fruits pretty much identical to the clones description on average?
Would be good with some more input on how the environment could potentially affect the fruit outcome from a clone.

Peace

I would be interested to hear Peters comments on this as well considering he is in Costa rica.  I know Oscar from hawaii who used to post on this forum and in this thread in the early parts said that he planted roughly 50/50 seedling and grafted trees and that his seedling trees mostly produced the better fruit there from his orchard.

He also said that other growers he knew in hawaii who had grown ganyao clones there were pulling out the trees as the fruits were junk and not comparable to thailand....One can only assume climate and soils were having an affect.  There is a good website from a guy in hawaii called mike parker called something like empi fruits or something its one of the best sites re durian information outside SE Asia which is applicable to most people participating in this thread. 

He talks a bit about how certain clones perform in hawaii both good and bad and gives some good general information.  One thing that stood out to me was that they were finding large durian like monthong and Gumpun showing uneven ripening and this has been reported by many over there.  They are focusing on the smaller fruits for this reason as they dont have that problem.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 22, 2023, 03:53:29 PM »
Bought some more durian today. This fruit was sold as ganyao and was excellent with nice yellow flesh and strong flavour.



That looks sensational mate well done

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 19, 2023, 08:58:17 PM »
Cassowary Im certainly no expert on ganyao sounds like you have a lot more experience with it.  This however was not bought at local markets or unknown persons it is from a family i know who are very knowledgeable on tropical fruits. A few generations back they were a part of the original group of people in the 70's and 80's who bought grafted trees back to australia from thailand So i dont really know what to think of this.

I do agree with you though i dont understand why the flesh is not bright yellow, i do wonder however if that is to do with our soils here? I have yet to see any durian in Australia that show the bright yellow colouration of those in thailand and malaysia? The grafted kradomthong i had at fruit forest farm also didnt have the bright yellow i see from thailand photos and videos ??

Has anyone else here in Australia noticed this also ? Maybe we get too much rain at the wrong time of the year that washes the colour down is this possible? Maybe our soils are deficient in something that makes them ďyellow upĒ I also notice a lot of durians here get a "golden yellow" outside shell colour maybe from too intense sun? Most of the ones i see on videos in malyasia and thailand appear quite brown on the outside when ripe sometimes green?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 18, 2023, 03:40:59 PM »
Nice, I think Ganyao has a much better reputation than mongthong. I have a grafted tree that is from a seedling of Ganyao. The seedling came very good so I imagine yours will as well.
Peter

Great to hear Peter, I actually have a grafted ganyao in the ground already that grows at snails pace probably be 40 years before that one fruits. Iím not afraid to have a go with seedlings I have several seedling trees. My mate has several monthong seedling trees that seem to be growing very very well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 17, 2023, 09:03:20 PM »

Beautiful little ganyao durian this one was only 1kg I chose the smallest one and perfectly ripe had more edible flesh than the 3.4kg partially ripe monthong I had the other day. Gunna grow a seedling from this one.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 14, 2023, 05:55:50 PM »
Forecast for next few days is falls up to 700mm here, i just lost an E4 abiu to wet feet about 6ft high an 18months old. Lessons learnt abiu are not flood or wet feet tolerant at all this is not the first abiu tree i have lost to flooding and wet feet. Luckily my abiu in drier parts are doing very well. 

Durian are gunna have to hang in there for another huge wet hit by the looks, relentless rain

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 13, 2023, 01:05:09 AM »
I think they will be fine they just arenít as happy as Iíve seen them, I think if the rain ever stops and dries out a bit they will be happy again.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 12, 2023, 07:13:54 PM »
So an update I had 3552mm of rain last year and already 1186mm of rain this year, Im on heavy clay soil and can confirm this is too much rain they are starting to show rotten growth coming out on some of them and I can just tell they aren't that happy at the moment.  My durians are on small mounds but its not enough to combat the huge saturation the soil here gets I can see why they plant them on steep hills in malaysia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 06, 2023, 10:47:37 PM »
Isnít Malaysia like a 3 hour flight for you aussies anyway? Good god, just go already

Yeh mate Iíve just gotta convince the wife of some other reason to go there other than duriansÖ.. she has no idea why Iím so interested in going to Malaysia lol

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 03, 2023, 03:58:09 PM »
Cassowary itís the top half of my tree that grows vigorously the bottom half is stunted you had it back to front

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 02, 2023, 04:59:26 AM »
Did your durian ripen up okay in the end? I also ended up buying underripe fruit last year so trying to avoid that this year.

Hey mate I prolly opened it a bit early cos Iím very impatient, some of it was ripe some not quite ripe. My daughter and I ate the whole thing. The segments that were nice and soft were excellent tasted just like kradumthong I had at Salleras farm. Iím pretty easy to please I just love the sweet durian taste. If I ever make it to maylasia and get to try the big guns like musang king and black thorn I will probably never return to Australia.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 01, 2023, 05:50:02 PM »
Thanks Peter that is some excellent advice, this particular variety D178 locally called P88 which is extremely popular here is a more difficult tree to manage than others.  Mine and everyone else I know that has it grows extremely upright, compared to another local popular variety called PK which grows almost perfectly the branches all form nice horizontals and the tree naturally grows wider compared to upright.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: February 01, 2023, 04:16:22 PM »
So Peter you havenít found that when cutting the top branch that it encourages growth in the upper part of the tree not the lower? Mine grew a new leader but also put all its effort into the top of the tree it is now an upside down tree, I know some others in Hawaii have found this too very weird.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 31, 2023, 06:27:28 PM »
Fruit nerd your P88 looks great nice healthy tree, mine has been in the ground 19months is also really healthy they really like it here.

I would be very cautious about pruning it especially topping it, a bit over 12months ago a storm broke off the top of my P88 so i cut it to make it a clean cut, anyway since then the tree has grown upside down, all the growth has gone to the top of the tree and the bottom of the tree is missing all the sap.  All the top branches and laterals are nice and fat with lots of leaves which is not ideal you want the bottom part of the tree to have the thick laterals etc.

This is not the first time I have seen this, also some guys it hawaii noted similar when they topped their trees. In my case i didnt want to top it, it happened due to storm but im now very sceptical about topping my trees until they reach desired height.

Just my experience others may have found different

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 30, 2023, 06:24:40 PM »
Yeah that one looks really spiky and green so probobly dripped in the wind or was harvested early.
I don't know of anyone in AU that know how to determine when to Pick Monthong so that it will still ripen up. One probably have to count the days and also count the days of full sun because they mature way faster in full sun weather vs rainy overcast.

That looks like a monthong hybrid because the stem is quite long, and where it abscessed is the natural joint because can't see any joint on the stem itself. It got uneven pollination that's why only one section if filled properly.


Peace,

Cassowary i think you are spot on, i probably shouldnt have bought it but when you havent had durian for 12months times get desperate.  Beggars cant be choosers, Still waiting for it to ripen......

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SEMI FINALS!!! For all you durian lovers jackfruit is still in the race! I think overall, these are some great final contestants

Jackfruit should never be used in the same sentence as durian, jackfruit is pigs food compared to durian.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 27, 2023, 10:35:43 PM »
You must have been there before me most likely same ones. She had a 6kg plus one at $120 mine isnít ripe yet and most likely all the segments are not full but unfortunately not many other options.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Not enough Durian Discussion
« on: January 27, 2023, 08:56:43 PM »


First durian of the season monthong seedling $60

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TROPICAL FRUIT FORUM OLYMPICS! - 2023
« on: January 16, 2023, 07:58:24 PM »
Pineapple over Durian...
I am out.

Agreed

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Durio testudinarium
« on: January 15, 2023, 06:05:23 PM »
Cassowary i believe Alan Carle is growing this and has fruiting trees in the whyanbeel valley.

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