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The CCPP (Citrus Clonal Protection Program) at UC Riverside decided to celebrate reaching the program's landmark 1000th variety by adding a landmark tree to their collection: the Mother Orange Tree at Bidwell's Bar. I am somewhat surprised it had not already been added to the CCPP's collection for its historical significance, even though the tree is just a type of Mediterranean sweet orange. But, it is certainly a survivor. The variety is labeled as "Bidwell's Bar."

Link to the press release:

Too bad you already have Syzygium jambos. I have a couple of those available.

For some reason, perhaps due to their size, it does not seem that Syzygiums have caught on among rare fruit growers in the same way Eugenias and Plinias have.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is this fruit?
« on: June 19, 2022, 01:29:27 AM »
That is an ochrosia. It is related to natal plum but is toxic.

A shame, all that fruit and none of it can be eaten.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is this fruit?
« on: June 18, 2022, 10:01:07 PM »
The leaves are wrong for a natal plum, though the closely related Carissa carandas could be a possibility. I am not familiar enough with it to be sure.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What is this fruit?
« on: June 18, 2022, 03:15:19 PM »
My first thought was peanut butter fruit, Bunchosia argentea, but the leaves and stems are not right for that fruit. The leaves and stems look more like imbe, Garcinia livingstonei, but the fruits seem redder, more elongated, and are coming off the stem differently than I would expect from an imbe.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wild Paw Paw
« on: June 17, 2022, 05:48:16 PM »
What zone? I'm interested in finding something that could survive in Twin Cities area

Paw has been grown in Minnesota

Andrew Moore the Author of the pawpaw book talks about it
 (I do not know where it was a short Interview about such book)

BE good to get Jerry Lehman VE-21 (for valley east )
(although when I bought seed I assumed VE-21 meant very early after some months )

I do not remember reading where Moore talks about pawpaws growing in Minnesota. But, it has been a few years since I read the book, and I must have forgotten about it. It looks like I might have to read it again to refresh my memory, a good excuse to read a good book.

First kadsura sprouting, took over 4 weeks in ground. And it's been poking out like this for the past week trying to break out of the seed coat. Only 1 out of 10 seeds so far that I can see. Will check my containers where I planted the rest.

Got rid of a small blackberry cane to put this guy in. Hope it will harden off before winter very slow growth.

Edit* 5 out of 10 sprouts so far. 1 in ground and 4 in containers. The rest in the ground must be working their way toward the surface.

I did not get an outstanding germination rate with my seeds, so 50% might be all you get. Hopefully, you will get more. I had a couple of seedlings die off at the cotyledon stage, just a little older than your in-ground seed. So, this is a crucial time for it, as to whether it will survive and thrive. I hope it does. I am excited about this fruit and hope to see more people growing it.

With Mamey, store bought isn’t the best way to go. They will never taste as good as being picked straight ripe off the tree. While they may soften up, the taste won’t be as good. Best way is to scratch the skin to see…but that’s when picking from the tree…from the store is different as they were all picked hard green at some point.

I have had store bought mamey sapotes. I quite enjoyed them; it is why I added a couple of mameys to my collection. While I agree that store bought fruit will never be as good as tree-ripened fruit, that applies for every species, not just mamey sapotes. For basically everyone outside of Florida and California, buying a mamey sapote from a supermarket (or some sort of specialty grocery) is the only option, and you can still get enjoyable, good tasting fruits from a store.

Interesting to see that there are so many Asimina species in Florida. I do not think people, even rare fruit growers, realize there are so many. But, without also memorizing the identification keys for each species, just memorizing the Asimina species' names seems like it might not be the most useful thing for finding, collecting, and growing plants in this genus.

Received my plants in fabulous condition and record time-

W. is always a pleasure to work with (and a handwriting artist)

Thank you for your purchase and for the positive feedback. I hope you enjoy your plants and that they grow and fruit for you in record time.

Jared, the Weird Explorer, did an imbe review a few years ago. Given his super tasting abilities, his fruit reviews are always good to reference. Here is the YouTube link:

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Just Someone Else Selling Plants
« on: June 13, 2022, 02:35:04 AM »
Just like last summer, I have too many plants and need to clear out some space. So, I am selling off some of my extra seedlings/plants. Some of these are relatively common plants, others are hard to find (such as Antidesma dallachyanum and Pouteria glomerata) and difficult to germinate (Myrciaria floribunda and Nauclea xanthoxylon). These plants have been grown organically, with organic pest control and fertilizer with the exception of a few plants which have been fertilized using Osmocote. Some of the plants do not look perfect but all are healthy. Just about all these plants are root-bound and need to be up-potted with some light fertilizing, which you should do once they become acclimated to your growing area.

Although photographed in the sun, these plants have all been grown either in a mostly shady location or indoors under grow lights; they were moved into the sun very briefly just for me to take photographs of them. They should be introduced to sunnier conditions very gradually to prevent any leaf burn or other damage.

These plants will be shipped using USPS Priority Mail with the shipping costs based on the size, weight, number of plants ordered, and buyer location. The US Postal Service’s recent price increase on Priority Mail means that tall plants are more expensive than they were last summer. I will do what I can to save you money on shipping costs by making these plants as compact as possible for shipping without damaging them. They will not be shipped bare root; they will be shipped in a container with potting soil, though they may be down-potted to reduce weight. I do not ship internationally. Although I live in an area free of greening and other citrus pests, my citrus plants still cannot be shipped to the citrus states and territories due to USDA regulations. Buyers in California, Arizona, and Hawaii purchase plants at your own risk; I am not responsible if they are confiscated.

Payment through PayPal.

Feel free to contact me with any questions you might have.

Scientific Name (Common Name) – Number of Seedlings Available – Seedling Size (Pot Height Not Included) – Seedling Age – Price Per Plant
Also included is where I purchased the seeds, a common question I received last year.

Annona cherimola (Cherimoya) – 3 – 21”-26” tall – about 3 years – $20
Seeds purchased from a reputable eBay seller.

Annona squamosa (Red Sugar Apple) – 2 – 10”-13” tall – about 3 years – $15
Seeds purchased from a reputable eBay seller.

Antidesma dallachyanum (Herbert River Cherry) – 1 – 5” tall – over 1 year – $25
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Carissa macrocarpa (Natal Plum) – 2 1 – 5”-7½” tall – over 1 year – $10
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

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Citrus Χ limonia (Rangpur Lime) – 2 – 12”-16” tall – about 3 years – $20
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Citrus Χ meyeri (Meyer Lemon) – 9 – 11”-26” tall – about 3 years – $15
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

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Citrus Χ paradisi (Red Grapefruit) – 14 – 5”-17” tall – about 1 year – $10
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

C. reticulata Χ sinensis (Murcott Orange/Honey Tangerine) – 14 – 8”-15” tall – about 3 years – $20
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

Citrus x sinensis (Moro Blood Orange) – 23 – 9”-18” tall – about 3 years – $25
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

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Citrus Χ tangelo (Minneola Tangelo) – 3 – 12”-18” tall – about 3 years – $20
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

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Eugenia involucrata (Cherry of the Rio Grande) – 1 – 16” tall – about 2 years – $25 (clay pot not included)
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Eugenia itaguahiensis (Dwarf Grumichama) – 1 – 2½” tall (a painfully slow-growing plant) – over 1 year – $25
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Eugenia pyriformis or lutescens (Sweet Uvaia) – 1 – 7” tall – over 1 year – $25
Seeds received from a Tropical Fruit Forum member, who bought them from Marcos.

Eugenia uniflora (Surinam Cherry) – 14 – 15”-27” tall – about 3 years – $20
Seeds purchased from a reputable eBay seller.

Eugenia uniflora var. Dasyblasta (Dasyblasta/Smooth Pitanga/Surinam Cherry) – 1 – 8” tall – over 1 year – $20
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Hylocereus megalanthus (Yellow Dragon Fruit) – 6 – 4”-8” long – over 1 year – $8
Seeds from a commercial variety of Yellow Dragon Fruit.

Melicoccus bijugatus (Mamoncillo/Genip/Spanish Lime) – 9 4 – 5”-9” tall – under 1 year – $8
Seeds from a commercial variety of Mamoncillo.

Myrciaria floribunda (Rumberry/Guavaberry) – 2 – 2”-5” tall – under 2 years – $40
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Myrciaria glazioviana (Yellow Jaboticaba) – 2 – 5½” tall – over 1 year – $20
Seeds purchased from Farwell Fruit Farm.

Myrciaria vexator (Blue Grape Jaboticaba) – 1 – 6” tall – under 2 years – $20
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Nauclea xanthoxylon (Ndea) – 2 1 – 10”-12” tall – over 1 year – $40
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Passiflora edulis (Purple Passion Fruit) – 5 – 20”-36” long (trimmed back to those lengths) – about 3 years – $10
Seeds from commercially sold fruit.

Plinia coronata (Restinga Jaboticaba) – 1 – 2” tall – under 1 year – $13
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Plinia hybrid (Scarlet/Escarlate Jaboticaba) – 1 – 9” tall – about 2 years – $30 (clay pot not included)
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Plinia phitrantha (Branca Jaboticaba) – 1 – 7” tall (10” wide) – about 2 years – $25
Seeds purchased from a Tropical Fruit Forum member.

Plinia phitrantha (Costada Jaboticaba) – 2 – 3”-11” tall – about 2 years – $20
Purchased from Adam Shafran at Flying Fox Fruits, these are from a batch of Novak, ESALQ, and Otto Andersen seeds that he lost the label to, so he sold them as generic Plinia phitrantha “Costada” jaboticabas. Of course, given all the Plinia pollen around his property, who knows exactly what type of jaboticaba these will become. They are the same age, the small one has always grown very slowly.

Plinia rivularis (Guaporeti) – 2 – 6-10” tall – over 1 year – $35
Purchased from a reputable eBay seller. Due to a lack of rain in my area, I had to water them with city water for a while. That caused the tip burn to the leaves. The new growth does not have that issue since I have been able to resume watering them with rainwater.

Pouteria glomerata (Cinnamon Apple) – 1 – 3½” tall – under 1 year – $25
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Psidium guajava (Patillo Guava) – 6 – 2”-14” tall (the 2” and 14” plants are outliers, the rest are 6”-9” tall) – over 1 year – $10
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

Psidium guineense (Brazilian Guava) – 3 1 – 6”-10” tall – over 1 year – $22
Seeds purchased from Trade Winds Fruit.

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Syzygium jambos (Rose Apple) – 2 – 39”-50” tall – over 3 years – $60 (pots not included)
Seeds purchased from a reputable eBay seller.

My interpretation is...
From the State's point of view... they want to collect sales tax from any sale made within the State to a customer also within the State.
Here in Alabama it's 10%... which is split between the State, the County and the City.
And if you grow and sell your own plants/trees/etc... as many of us do... in-state sales are exempt from sales tax.
But... If you buy wholesale and sell them retail they are taxable.
And if they are sold and shipped to another State through Ebay... Ebay will collect any Sales Tax and distribute it to said State.
Needless to say... You need to keep good records... just like income tax... in case you are ever audited/questioned by the State/County/City.


Your taxes are higher in Tuscaloosa than in North Alabama. They are either 8 1/2 or 9%, depending on which incorporated city you are in or 6% in unincorporated county areas. eBay charges 8% tax on purchases I make, regardless of where the seller is or what I buy. Amazon does the same, except they also charge sales tax on shipping, which eBay does not. Other sites have varying rates between 4 and 8%, inclusive or exclusive of the shipping costs.

I have never sold on Etsy before, so I am unsure how its sales tax collection works, but Amazon and eBay sellers have no control over sales tax collection on those sites. It is no use contacting sellers on those sites about sales tax issues; you are doing nothing but hassling us over something we can do nothing about. Besides, we have our own issue with sales tax collection, particularly on eBay.

Some states, such as Alabama, charge sales tax on everything, including fruit trees and other food plants (and food, for that matter).

As for how to get them to stop doing such things, I think there are two options for you. The first, some sort of class action lawsuit which will make the lawyers involved very rich. The second, which applies specifically for you in Florida, is to contact Governor DeSantis's office and say that woke corporations are funding their wokeness by illegally charging taxes on red-blooded, America-loving Floridian patriots. That second option, given our current political climate, would probably lead to a speedy, if not messy, resolution to this issue.

Glad to help. Those are some good videos.

Yes, there are several finger lime varieties. Very few of them have made it to the United States, where our selection typically consists of either generic green or generic red types. I think the varieties they have developed in Australia have all been selected for fruit color and/or quality, not growth rate. Your finger limes could be growing at different rates due to the rootstock or some other factor. You may have been sold some type of hybrid or mislabeled plant. I have grown all my finger limes from seed; they have all stayed very small, bushy, and thorny.

I think you might be describing the videos Truly Tropical did touring Bobby Biswas's property. They did four videos. The first link is the one (I think) where they talk about Bobby's Annona collection. My favorite is the Garcinia video.

Field Trip Friday- Bobby's Other Tropical Fruits (Loxahatchee, FL):
Field Trip Friday- Bobby's Mangos & More (Loxahatchee, FL):
Field Trip Friday- Bobby's Garcinia Collection in Loxahatchee, FL:
Field Trip Friday- Bobby's Tropical Greenhouse (Loxahatchee, FL):

The California Rare Fruit Growers (CRFG) also paid a trip to Bobby's property for their Let's Find Out series. I have not watched that one, yet.

Lets Find Out #28- Bobby Biswas- West Palm Beach, FL:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jaboticaba propagation
« on: May 28, 2022, 04:00:23 PM »
Hi Mike,
I don’t know which type it is.   What surprised me was that it took 19 years to fruit.  I guess some species take such a long time.

That sounds like Plinia coronata. They can take a long time to fruit.

Air layering is a jaboticaba propagation method used in Central America. I watched a video where a Costa Rican grower was propagating his jaboticabas that way. I think it was one of Pete Kanaris's videos from one of his Costa Rican ag tours.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tomatoes reseeding in zone 6-7
« on: May 28, 2022, 03:55:21 PM »
Yes, tomato seeds readily sprout from fallen or discarded fruit in temperate areas, such as zone 7. In fact, this year, I have small tomato plants sprouting in an area that has not had tomatoes grown in it for two years, since 2020. So, those seeds have been in the ground for two winters.

Maybe one of the two that flowered was a male. Or, maybe one of them has either a small number of perfect flowers or male flowers. There was another thread recently talking about a dioecious fruiting species (Garcinia livingstonei, Imbe) that will sometimes not act strictly dioecious in its flowering and fruiting.

I just hope my two Texas persimmons are not the same sex.

After having relatively poor success sprouting these exotic imported seeds, I am happy to see you are doing this successfully and making them available as live plants

There is certainly value in buying a living plant. I've spent hundreds of dollars on seeds that didn't make it. If you really want a rare plant, this is a safer way to do it.

I have spent so much money and had such poor luck with rare Annona seeds (not the standard sugar apple, cherimoya, etc.) that I do not even think about buying those seeds anymore. I have better luck with Myrtaceae species, but even so, at least there are growers out there with better seed germinating skills than I.

hah, I know you are joking but I have a box of ancient switches just like that from the "junk bin" of misc hardware passed down from my family.  It reminds me how much I hate working with flat-head screws :)

And I hate Phillips-head screws. Despite their reputation, I have less problems with cam out using flat-heads than Phillips-heads. I have also never managed to strip out a flat-head screw, yet.

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