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This is kinda the number one rule when rolling through so many places.
wherever you travel where the locals know your not from there, your going to get taxed in some way, often depends on how much desperation and poverty people are facing , your a walking meal ticket. Paying for guides has it's ups and downs and depends on a lot of things, the safety factor and if they can get you into places and have info that is priceless. It can be real nice having a local driver familiar with the rules of the road.
The tourist or traveler tax is often baked in , So the question becomes do you want to be MARKED ( Yes I looove your 'ol specialty plate Kev) every where you go or not. After being kidnapped held at gunpoint and robbed as a youth , I say choose your words & travel partners wisely. 
This forum needs to organize a group expedition. I'd totally go.

My experience has been over many, many travels that large groups really slow down any type of expedition like this. The sweet spot is everyone fitting into one 5 person car, translators, guides, and all. Even adding just one more car makes it harder to organize. A bus, forget about it.

I am hoping to do a trip next year, this said. I am fluent in Portuguese so that takes out one layer of translation at least.

Good update Nate!
I want to get guinense grafted onto the weedy guavajava round here. I have some topped and ready.
P. Striatcchhh is settling in in ground on it's own roots.
Maybe Robustum will graft to guavajava or strawbs.

Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.  Tones of Banana in this fruit. Very sweet with no tartness nor tannic bitterness found in some other species such as longipetiolatum or cattleianum.

Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.

Psidium longipetiolatum is really not a particularly great fruit. The tree bears heavily, drops sporadically unripe and ripe fruit.  The fruit has a strong tannic eucalyptus-y flavor that is mainly in the skin. The pulp itself is pretty good but ultimately not sure it's really a winner in my book.

Thats for when you make it back to tsa. I believe some countries check you before you leave and donít want people taking their genetics, a point of pride in some places. 
Not sure you can even get that home country phyto from certain countries.

From the USDA APHIS website (

Travelers may bring seeds of admissible herbaceous plants for planting if they meet the following conditions:

- The seeds are not otherwise prohibited, protected under the Endangered Species Act or Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, or subject to any special restrictions, such as post-entry quarantine or treatment*

- You have a phytosanitary certificate issued by the National Plant Protection Organization of the country you are leaving indicating the seeds are free of pests and diseases

- U.S. Customs and Border Protection inspects the seeds at the first port of entry and determines they are free of pests and diseases and meet all entry requirements

*Please call APHISí Plant Import Information Line at 877-770-5990 (toll-free) or by email at

Some information on USDA websites indicates that tree and shrub seeds can be brought back to the US per requirements listed above, yet some sources say none can be brought back with passenger luggage. Best course of action would be to shoot an email inquiry to that listed email.


It's been fruited in Iceland and Russia as well.
I don't think you'll find a huge variation in temperature tolerance.
The main trick, as with any other tropical that doesn't like it below 50 degree's, is getting the fruit to hold & grow & sweeten over winter .

I think Seanny is onto something with the inter stock graft being a great idea.

A. Montana pollen must not be compatible, likely previously tried and documented by Har on the forum somewhere.

soursop has been fruited in north san diego.  *pats self on back for saving that video in a playlist*

coincidentally, today a guy doing some work on my house showed me a pic of his soursop tree here in the los angeles area.  it had a bunch of fruits on it last year but they didn't survive the long winter.  he said that he grew it from seed from nayarit.  i gave him a 5 gallon nanche as down-payment for future seeds/scions from his soursop.

how much variation in temp tolerance is there among soursops from different locations?  i have small seedlings from florida, costa rica and oaxaca mexico.  so far i haven't tested any outside over the winter.

it's surprising that i haven't heard of anyone crossing soursop with mountain soursop.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Questions about Avocado Winter Protection
« on: December 03, 2023, 10:16:45 AM »
I watched a farm in Santa Cruz put those frost blankets on in December and not take them off until April. I was definitely wondering what the hell they were doing since frost blankets seemed unnecessary in the first place at this location , but the tree's looked fine when they emerged so they can stay on for months it appears.
I wouldn't water them at all over winter, especially if any clay in the soil.
I think your 5 Gals should be fine inside the frost blankets, survival of the fittest, but bring them in if you get a hard freeze that is going to stick around a bit.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO of Puerto Rico rare fruit vendor
« on: December 02, 2023, 07:34:16 PM »
Does Panoramic have a storefront or how do you reach them?
I was staying in Mayaguez , I called and left messages and never heard back from them.

Panoramic fruit company in Mayaguez sells mangosteen, durian, longan, langsat, rambutan and pulasan. They may have others as well, you can call and ask. Although I think the season is over for most of these now.

Jardines Eneida is the tropical fruit nursery in Cabo Rojo. They used to sell fruit as well, but Iím not sure they still do.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO of Puerto Rico rare fruit vendor
« on: December 01, 2023, 12:40:20 PM »
can try the nursery in Cajo RRoja that also sell's fruit. TARS is worth a visit.
forum search for the tropical fruit trumpers that used to do an annual group trip and post good  write ups , can get some leads.

Here are some screenshots of this short and sweet info download that was recently posted on TFF.
I sent the link to everyone I know interested in Casimiroa and have yet to discuss with anyone. I think itís fascinating and am curious on what other Casimiroa enthusiasts think about this.


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White Sapote Fruit Shapes
« on: November 28, 2023, 11:53:44 AM »
I'd bet they are known varieties that lost the tag. especially if older tree's.

Here's an update on the different varieties I have grafted, so far of the 32 only have 3 varieties that are unknown but has very good tasting fruits.

I tried Norm's and Brian's fruits so far.

What about Lammertz , Suebelle and other Fuzzy/ Wooly C. Edulis's?
Did you read the recent genetic research from Japan someone posted recently saying C. Edulis and C.tetrameria are no different genetically?

Fishie, you can tell from the leaves. The yellow sapote leaves have the fuzzy/wooly bottom side so it's pretty easy to tell. But no, you can't look at the seed and differentiate between the white and yellow seeds.

That's "Smathers" Tetrameria.
Why the cage?
They can fruit unprotected in Sac's extreme weather.

Your best bet for scions is TFF.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Are there dwarf loquats
« on: November 23, 2023, 02:57:57 AM »
To answer your question , You can graft any Loquat variety onto Quince to dwarf it . I have a 10+ year old Multi graft Loquat on Quince rootstock.
It's less than 8' tall.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New USDA Plant Hardiness Zone Update?
« on: November 15, 2023, 08:16:06 PM »
Thanks USDA!

In Central FL I went from 9b to 10a. Guess I will toss all my heat lamps and tree blankets since I dont need to protect my mangos anymore and will start collecting ultra-tropicals to put in the ground. Woo-hoo! Will Durian grow in 10a? :P Maybe my Royal Poinciana wont freeze back to the roots every year now.

If your in a colder climate region , and you don't get temps in the 80's-90's during ripening season, just grow different Cherimoya varieties but start with HoneyHart. The others may grow, even bloom, but most likely cracked unsweet fruit, if they even set fruit. could be worth a shot for a single 15 gallon that you keep happy & warm over winter.
Cherimoya is compatible with other Annona as well. I've had long term compatibility with A. Dioica and A. Globiflora.

Very cool, thanks for testing this compatibility!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tamarillo book 😀
« on: November 09, 2023, 12:48:28 PM »
Because he is a quack cuckoo nut job.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 07, 2023, 08:34:00 PM »
Holy Smokes Louie! What a beautiful specimen . Look at all that delicious retained heat from the stucco and brick. You must have some other tricks up your sleeve fruit wise if your Cacao is looking that nice.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 06, 2023, 03:24:52 PM »
Thank you, truth speaker.
There are so many amazing rare sub-tropical fruits you can grow in the Bay area.
 experimenting with free seeds out of curiosity can be a good learning experience.
But purchasing tropical treeís i think is a waste of time and money. Usually shipped in , completely un adapted and go downhill fast. The extreme temperature swings night to day and multiple days of highs in the 40ís and 50ís plus wet is what it is.
Lychee is a million times more cold hardy than cacao. Fairchild near Miami has a mature cacao in zone 11a and even it gets cold damage once or twice a decade when the low is near 40F. The handful of nights below 55F are enough to cause flower drop and fruit abortion in the "winter".

Zone 10 in Florida is also a million (x1000) times more tropical than Bay Area zone 10, it's not "just drier"...the difference is night and day in temperature and overall weather pattern. Equating Florida zones with California zones is 100% wrong and will just cause you heartbreak. Bay Area obviously has nothing to do with warm beaches lined with coconuts. No parallel whatsoever!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: November 04, 2023, 12:27:27 PM »
I totally agree Janet. Thanks for painting the picture Satya, the farm sounds like a great place to be.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cacao Growers, zone pushing and varietals
« on: November 04, 2023, 12:21:24 PM »
there was a crfg tour in Aptos one year. This guy had a 20 + year old Cacao in a pot in his garage that I do not think had fruited.
If it was possible I think goodland organics 3 hours south in the sweet spot would have tried.
I don't think it is doable outside of a houseplant.  Don't let zone ambiguity get it twisted. If you overwintered Lychee seedlings unprotected last winter you must be in a pretty sweet spot in the East Bay yourself though. worth a shot to play with from free seeds but I wouldn't buy tree's.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB grafted white sapote trees.
« on: November 03, 2023, 01:23:11 PM »

Nettie and Cuccio can hold a ton of fruit as 10' x 12' tree's. Much more compact than other varieties.

You must have some acreage if you're looking for multiple WS trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: November 03, 2023, 01:42:05 AM »
I hope so, probably if you find a spot they like in the greenhouse for over winter. They naturally grow wide and seem like starting a new central leader a new direction wouldn't be a problem , I can't recall if I have seen it from breakage.
very much worth trying to unlock the code for your zone. They seem to handle a bit more direct light than other garcinia, even from young. I can't get enough of this fruit.

I know I never want to top a Garcinia.

Both of mine that I just got were topped in transit... Ugh. I hope they will be ok long term.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha in California?
« on: November 01, 2023, 08:14:53 PM »

Shade cages are ugly, especially for client install but can really give you a fighting chance to establish a species that has evolved to grow up under canopy. Planting the biggest one you can find /afford will help too

Your Escondido  Achachairu looks great , I hope the stretch out is sustainable and she fills out in the middle. I know I never want to top a Garcinia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Florida Natural Farming?
« on: October 31, 2023, 12:21:13 PM »
Starling, Fruitlovers and many a female chased away.

bsbullie not being able to handle low IQ bs is different. He got better things to do.

I think SeaWalnut may have been the only one ever actually chased away?
There was this lady in London, I believe.  She was a nutcase and was banned after a while.  And there was also bsbullie, who liked to insult and/or demean people but had much useful mango information, being a friend of the Zills.  He stopped participating on his own.

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