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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 21, 2024, 01:06:55 AM »
Interesting that Aussie Lucuma is pointed like some Canistel, I've only seen round forms.

That so cal Lucuma looks nasty, at least there's a seed to plant.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 19, 2024, 11:43:15 PM »

Pecan Pie and Inca Gold are in Nor Cal , 25 gallon grafted tree's sold with flowers/fruit but the fruit has yet to hold in nor cal.

Call before you haul and make sure they have or want to sell any grafted Kona , La Paz or La Molina 4.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 18, 2024, 12:42:39 PM »
I think right now the pin for California is stuck on Nipomo as the farthest point north.
There is not any known fruiting Lucuma trees's north of there.
 I can't think of any nor cal public gardens that have any planted even.
hopefully the big grafted girls Papaya tree let go of can quit dropping their fruit prematurely.

So cal there is a handful of know fruiting tree's fullerton, quail gardens , papaya tree's and Ben's , that's what makes Kevin's discovery so exciting really.
The known tree's are mostly dry kind and the desire is more non chalky Lucuma, so hopefully we have a couple winners.

Well they need drainage as priority. So if it’s goopy when wet the mound makes sense so you can have some roots above the drowning in muck layer.
My comment is more directed at incorporating non native soils into your mound.
I would incorporate things that will help your native soil drain and help break up the clay . Black cinder , some DG , wood chips top dressing.
As you described I think it could not grow into the ground well and just prefer that mound soil mix.
But you have to try something , so experiment.
I mounded Avocado’s over straight blue clay soil muck at 16” depth so have dealt with this particular challenge before. Mounds over 12” above grade did not work for me. I hope you figure it out and unlock some good growth. Mucky Clay soils are a challenge for Avo growing for sure, and when its dry it locks up like a brick of clay.

Thanks Jonah. But my soil is unfriendly to avocados. In five years, my trees have barely grown or died. When wet, it's straight up goopy. Does it make sense to mound up using this soil?

I would mound with native soil and top dress with wood chips. I've top dressed with black cinder for drainage in a super clayey garden.
too much sand can make the mix lock up, may as well just use DG since that's what they grow in in commercial orchards down south and it has more nutritional benefits that Avo's like.
adding all that soil from the aggregate yard just makes 2 different substrates and the top substrate will dry out too much in summer while the water needs in the different substrate will be, different.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pouteria lucuma
« on: January 16, 2024, 12:49:29 AM »

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Need buddy tape
« on: January 15, 2024, 12:42:29 AM »
One green world

search the forum and see whose sold it before and send them a message.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cherimoya disease, spreading fast
« on: January 09, 2024, 03:25:47 PM »
it looks cold.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this lucuma, canistel, or … ?
« on: January 09, 2024, 03:23:43 PM »
It looks like that canistel ripened ok and was a fair representation of the fruit. They can vary a lot so if you don't get a great one and it's chalky or dry, keep trying.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Exotica Nursery Closing Down?!
« on: January 09, 2024, 01:54:30 PM »
He's been renting from the wood stove place next door forever.
there is no water on the exotica site so they run water from the wood stove place to the 3 acre nursery site, and the adjacent 3 acre grove.
There is another 3 acres where the cherimoya grove, lychee grove, kei apples and pome fruit grove is. that was bought by a friend of Steve's 10 or so years ago and then "rented" to Steve so he could keep the groves going. by "rented" I mean he wasn't paying the rent so the owner was interested in selling, but I think he saw value in that epic lychee grove and also the fact that Steve see's that property and all the tree's he planted as his friends, so no-one could really buy that piece and do anything with it without freezing out Steve, who still rents the 3 acres next door where the nursery is. My buddy was in negotiation to buy that 3 acres next to the nursery years ago but realized it was Steve's no matter whose name was on title.
I hope they can move the nursery there, but like I said there is no water . I hope Steve can keep doing the nursery if he wants to.
Somebody please rescue the Paul Thompson jaboticaba.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Cherimoya Scion Super Sale $3
« on: January 05, 2024, 07:45:39 PM »
Sure, shoot me a message to arrange. Timing is early April for Annona grafting . Thanks

I doubt it will be a problem. They grow like a weed in the tropics but in So Cal I wouldn't worry about it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Diatomaceous Earth for Temporary sunsceen?
« on: December 26, 2023, 12:43:04 PM »
The leaves are so ruffly for a Garcinia.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 26, 2023, 12:40:55 PM »
I was thinking HoneyHart has a distinct fruit shape and appearance , often looking like a strawberry shape with more sugar apple looking skin .
But, I think overall Cherimoya is a fruit where 2 fruits hanging on the same tree can look completely different. Some with protuberances and some smooth on the same tree.
I do think there are characteristics that stick out to help narrow it down but ultimately there is a ton of cultivars,  and with lots of pollen making crosses ( my Inca Red is never red, pollinated by another cultivar) I think it's just an exercise but hard to be definitive .

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Harvest this week in San Diego County....
« on: December 25, 2023, 03:41:12 PM »
nice December harvest! Beautiful Mango. Looks like Dr. white to me too.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to buy cherimoyas in Santa Cruz, CA ?
« on: December 23, 2023, 08:11:41 PM »
There is no 99 ranch , nor any asian markets anywhere in Santa Cruz County.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Where to buy cherimoyas in Santa Cruz, CA ?
« on: December 23, 2023, 12:51:53 PM »
You can buy them on Wednesday's at the downtown farmers market from Will Brokaw's Brokaw Avocado booth. They might be in season now since they bring them up from Ventura county.
You can contact Will in advance for whatever you want as they may not send them to SC that day or who knows. But outside of picking one off of the 10 fruiting tree's in town in May or June when they ripen. That's your best bet.
Santa Barbara and Ventura are Cherimoya country where there are commercial groves and are much easier to find in season.

try and find them a shadier , cooler spot with less wind and give it a go.
Also you could graft onto Mamey , that could help as well.
They are grafted onto Mamey commercially in Florida.

From reading about growing Mango's in CA on this forum for years , I was under the impression that rootstock was in fact very important and Turpentine in particular is not as desirable as Manila rootstock. You could search that Mango in CA thread to glean nuff info.

I think it’s just not cold tolerant.
I’d love to hear otherwise from someone that planted out a seedling in So Cal in the last 5 years or so. A bunch got out there awhile ago.

This is kinda the number one rule when rolling through so many places.
wherever you travel where the locals know your not from there, your going to get taxed in some way, often depends on how much desperation and poverty people are facing , your a walking meal ticket. Paying for guides has it's ups and downs and depends on a lot of things, the safety factor and if they can get you into places and have info that is priceless. It can be real nice having a local driver familiar with the rules of the road.
The tourist or traveler tax is often baked in , So the question becomes do you want to be MARKED ( Yes I looove your 'ol specialty plate Kev) every where you go or not. After being kidnapped held at gunpoint and robbed as a youth , I say choose your words & travel partners wisely. 
This forum needs to organize a group expedition. I'd totally go.

My experience has been over many, many travels that large groups really slow down any type of expedition like this. The sweet spot is everyone fitting into one 5 person car, translators, guides, and all. Even adding just one more car makes it harder to organize. A bus, forget about it.

I am hoping to do a trip next year, this said. I am fluent in Portuguese so that takes out one layer of translation at least.

Good update Nate!
I want to get guinense grafted onto the weedy guavajava round here. I have some topped and ready.
P. Striatcchhh is settling in in ground on it's own roots.
Maybe Robustum will graft to guavajava or strawbs.

Psidium robustum: Super delicious fruit with no tannins.  Tones of Banana in this fruit. Very sweet with no tartness nor tannic bitterness found in some other species such as longipetiolatum or cattleianum.

Psidium guinense x: A potential hybrid guinense species. Species confirmed by Leslie Landrum, who believes it to be a guinense or possible hybrid of.  Fruit was delicious. Very nice tart/sweet ratio with only a couple of seeds and lots of flesh! A really beautiful and low growing, but slow plant. Large showy  flowers and absolutely something I want to grow a lot more of.

Psidium longipetiolatum is really not a particularly great fruit. The tree bears heavily, drops sporadically unripe and ripe fruit.  The fruit has a strong tannic eucalyptus-y flavor that is mainly in the skin. The pulp itself is pretty good but ultimately not sure it's really a winner in my book.

Thats for when you make it back to tsa. I believe some countries check you before you leave and don’t want people taking their genetics, a point of pride in some places. 
Not sure you can even get that home country phyto from certain countries.

From the USDA APHIS website (

Travelers may bring seeds of admissible herbaceous plants for planting if they meet the following conditions:

- The seeds are not otherwise prohibited, protected under the Endangered Species Act or Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora, or subject to any special restrictions, such as post-entry quarantine or treatment*

- You have a phytosanitary certificate issued by the National Plant Protection Organization of the country you are leaving indicating the seeds are free of pests and diseases

- U.S. Customs and Border Protection inspects the seeds at the first port of entry and determines they are free of pests and diseases and meet all entry requirements

*Please call APHIS’ Plant Import Information Line at 877-770-5990 (toll-free) or by email at

Some information on USDA websites indicates that tree and shrub seeds can be brought back to the US per requirements listed above, yet some sources say none can be brought back with passenger luggage. Best course of action would be to shoot an email inquiry to that listed email.


It's been fruited in Iceland and Russia as well.
I don't think you'll find a huge variation in temperature tolerance.
The main trick, as with any other tropical that doesn't like it below 50 degree's, is getting the fruit to hold & grow & sweeten over winter .

I think Seanny is onto something with the inter stock graft being a great idea.

A. Montana pollen must not be compatible, likely previously tried and documented by Har on the forum somewhere.

soursop has been fruited in north san diego.  *pats self on back for saving that video in a playlist*

coincidentally, today a guy doing some work on my house showed me a pic of his soursop tree here in the los angeles area.  it had a bunch of fruits on it last year but they didn't survive the long winter.  he said that he grew it from seed from nayarit.  i gave him a 5 gallon nanche as down-payment for future seeds/scions from his soursop.

how much variation in temp tolerance is there among soursops from different locations?  i have small seedlings from florida, costa rica and oaxaca mexico.  so far i haven't tested any outside over the winter.

it's surprising that i haven't heard of anyone crossing soursop with mountain soursop.

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