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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Peach Cobbler Mangoes & Sharwil Avocado Graft
« on: September 24, 2023, 07:39:50 PM »
Thought I would post a few interesting photos from a few of my fruit trees.

The First photo show a multi grafted mango tree but the right branch is a Peach Cobbler graft from 2020 with is holding a number of fruit. I also have PC grafted onto another tree with adddational fruit developing. This variety apears to be well suited to California.

The second photo shows my (3) year old Carmen avocado tree with a recent Sharwil Graft. The 3rd photo shows the Sharwil graft Close-Up which was grafted in July 2023 and growing very well. Very happy how this graft turned out. It's nice to have a type "B" avocado grafted onto a type "A".

Johnny



Multi Grafted Mango with Hanging Peach Cobbler fruit



Carmen Avocado Tree planted in 2020



July 2023 Sharwil Avocado Graft to Carmen

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Thief Caught
« on: September 13, 2023, 10:06:55 PM »
Eastern Fox Squirrel eating my Beaumont Macadamia Nuts. Not native to California they have become quite agressive in eating fruit and nuts  in this area.

Take them out if you can. Traps exct. These are Rodents. Kill them.

Johnny



Eastern Fox Squirrel (8-19-2023)

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Water everyday during the summer with a automated Drip irrigation system.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee harvest
« on: September 04, 2023, 06:56:03 PM »
Iron is not a problem as I apply Azomite at least twice a year for all of the essencial trace ellements for all of my fruit trees.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee harvest
« on: September 04, 2023, 06:39:58 PM »
The Bruster lychee fruit I recieved from Kaz near Fullerton about a week a go were delicious and very juicy. About 30-40% of the fruit had a chicken seed or a very small seed. 40-45% of the fruit had the standard large seed. The remainder were somewhere inbetween with a medium seed.

I also noticed the smaller the fruit size was the more likely the chicken tongue was present. The smaller fruit were better with more flesh.

My three yeard old Brewster tree is flushing now so looking foward to more fruit in a few years. Lychee trees love water so I water mine frequently.

Johnny

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I just recieved some Brewster fruit from Kaz and they were delicious. Fresh, sweet and with excellent texture. So much better than the store bought fruit. Recomended.

Johnny


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Tropical Storm Watch
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:54:40 AM »
My final rain measurement this Monday at 8 AM was 1.9" of rain in the last 24 hours.

We did have some 20-25 mph winds last night but no damage to anything at my location. This was a slow soaker so very little flooding.

This rain will really help with vegetative growth in the next month or two.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango scions/budwood
« on: August 21, 2023, 11:25:48 AM »
The mango bud-wood orders I have placed recently with TAF have been fine.

Orders mailed out Monday and arrived Wednesday. I always cut the bottom of the scions off and place them in a cup of distilled water overnight prior to grafting for better hydration.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: SoCal Tropical Storm Watch
« on: August 20, 2023, 09:11:50 PM »
1.3" of rain so far according to my rain guage at 6 PM PST.

Seems like another overhyped and media exerbated event.

Just a moderate rain event so far. Light winds.

LA Unitifed Schools just anounced they are closing all schools for Monday August 21, 2023. They recieved 1.5-2" of rain in a 24 hour periord. Oh so Terrible. We must close our schools for such a catasthophric event.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Mango scions/budwood
« on: August 20, 2023, 07:49:10 PM »
San Jose is really marginal for growing mangoes. Very low take rate due to lack of heat. Best to assemble a greenhouse purchase seeds and seleect the most vigorous for growth for root stock. Grafts scions in the greenhouse for more sucess.

Good Luck

Johnny 

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I love Macadamia Nuts as well. So much better than the store nuts by a factor of 2 to 3 at least. Enclosed is a photo of my (10) year old Beaumont Macadamia nut tree with ripening fruit. The tree is orentimantal as well.

I also love mangoes but they are much more of a challance to grow. Not for the faint of heart.

Avocado and citrus are California stapes that every grower in this area should have. 

Johnny


Beaumont Macadamia Nut Tree (8-10-2023)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Butterscotch sapodilla questions
« on: August 16, 2023, 06:24:24 PM »
No developed fruits yet. Not really focuced on fruit production for the first five years. Would rather have more maturity with a well developed root system prior to production. These trees are rather slow growers.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Butterscotch sapodilla questions
« on: August 16, 2023, 06:12:19 PM »
Hey Kaz,

I have a Butterscotch Spaodilla in the greenhouse that is 42" tall. I recently moved it into a larger #7 Pot. Will keep this one in the greenhouse for at least one more year to maxamize growth.

The tallest Sapodilla Tree I have in the Ground is my Multi grafted Tikal-Alano-Venezuela that is about 8' tall. I also have a Molix in the ground that is about 6' tall. There growth habbits are quite different. These were planted in the ground in 2020. (See two Photos)

Johnny



Tikal-Alano Sapodilla Tree (8-10-2023)



Molix Sapodilla (8-10-2023)

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Hey Janet,

In answer to your questions I start all of my young plants in the greenhouse for the first 1-2 years of life them Up-Pot tem and move outside. The mango seeds that I started to germinate were nothing special. Just ataulfo's you buy at the store. I start with (10) seends and after 1-2 years select the top 2-3 plants. I disgard the other lower perfomers. As Simon has mentoned a few times before any mango seed can be grown as rootstock and with the passage of time the good growers will become apparant.

Hey Eggo, Good phots of the rootstock, Thanks. One differance I may have with you is that I remove and replace my low vigor mango trees immediataly after identifing them as such. I replace my duds for studs. I don't allow loosers  with poor vigor to hang on for years or decades. Just better to throw them out and move on. Also why did you select the Kesar mango to grow here in Socal. Even in India where the Kesar originated it is known as a slow grower. This is not a good choice for our location in California in my opinon.

Having good sucess recently with Orange Essence and Cotton Candy. All of my recent grafts from mid July taken from my mother trees have thrived and are growing well now. Both OE and CC are good growers and have no disease issues at my location.

Below is a typical example of a five year old mango tree with good vigor. I purchased this laverne manila mango tree in 2018 and planted it in the ground. It is now about 10 feet tall with a lower trunk diameter of 4.5" as measured about 1 inch up from the soil line. I already top worked this mango tree with three principal varieties. They are Cac, Fruit Punch and Peach Cobbler. There are some Cac fruit towards the back of the tree but it's hard to see them in the photo. This tree has not flushed yet in 2023 but hopefully will do do by late summer. If I had more heat like Riverside my trees would grow much better. The only advantage at my location is I rearly need to use A/C.

Johnny


Five year old Manila Mango Tree Top Worked (8-10-2023)

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For the benefit of our California growers I thought I would post a few phots of some mango trees showing various rootstock. The goal is to select robust rootstock to increase tree vigor. A healthy root system is a healthy tree. Our mango loving frends in Florida have no such problems but here in SoCal it is a issue because of our cool winter and spring tempatures.

The first (3) photos is a Selected Ataulfo seeding I started two years ago and is green house grown. I just took it out of the container to Up-Pot to a larger #15. As you can see from the root system is is very well developed. This tree is excellent rootstock for grafting.

The next photo is my grafted Orange Essence mango tree grafted to a strong ataulfo that I just moved to a larger #25 pot in Spring. Even after harvesting (6) OE scions from this tree in mid July it still is putting out a good flush now. This tree grows well at my location with no disease issues.

Next is my young Dot mango Tree. I just planted this in the ground in 2022 from a #7 pot and it just flushed. I did have some dieback in spring from this tree but I just cut out the die back limbs and it seems to be recovering well now.

Next up is my five year old Lemon Zest Mango Tree on Ataulfo rootstock. It is currenty starting a new growth flush. The rootstock is fine but the issue I have with this variety is the constant attack of Powerdy Mildew (PM) with this variety. For this reason I am in the process fo topworking this tree. Orange Sherbet thus far has no disease issues and is a attractive mango tree so it is a much better choice as is OE with even faster growth.

The last example is my 0-15 mango tree on manila rootstock. I grafted this in 2020 to a very small tree at the time and planted it in the ground in 2021. This seems to have grown well and just finished it's first flush. The rootstock is strong and long term I am optomistic. There are no disease issues at all.

Having strong mango rootstock and good draining soil gives you a fighting chance in the early years of growth.

Johnny



Two year old Ataulfo Seedling Tree for Grafting (8-12-2023)


Ataulfo Lower Rootstock (8-12-23)


Ataulfo Lower Rootstock Exposed (8-12-23)


Orange Essence with new flush (8-12-23)


Young Dot mango tree with New Flush (8-10-2023)


0-15 mango tree on Manila rootstock (8-12-2023)


Lemon Zest on Ataulfo (8-10-23)

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You can choose any polycarbonate thicnkness you like it's up to you.

When I upgraded from the thin 4 mm panels that came from my 6 X 8 Greenhouse I chose the 10mm panels for durability. They are thicker and last much longer than the 8 or 6mm panels. You can choose for your self.

Enclosed it my greenhouse with newly installed 10mm panels.

Johnny






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart Mango Tree Producing in SoCal
« on: August 07, 2023, 10:45:11 AM »
I like Down to Earth organic fertilizers but any good quality one should do fine.

My Sweet Tart tree is not quite flushing yet but will hopefully do so later this month. The Tree will likely only get one good flush this year. Wish we had Miami weather for a few months as that would help with our growth of subtropicals. It's cloudy and moderately cool this morning in Huntington Beach.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart Mango Tree Producing in SoCal
« on: August 06, 2023, 08:12:44 PM »
Yea, the same thing happened to me in 2021 regarding the fruit split. Check out my previous post. You can do a search under my name and "show posts". Look back to 2021.

Remove all of your fruit and apply organic fertilizer and azomite now. Focus on vegetative growth for the next 2-3 years. Your Sweet Tart Mango tree is still too young and needs more maturity as mine did.

Good Luck

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sweet Tart Mango Tree Producing in SoCal
« on: August 06, 2023, 02:18:27 PM »
Looks good Johnny, but the new leaves are showing micro lockout. You could add some sulfur to help lower the pH into a range the tree prefers.

ST does have thin skin and can crack closer to ripe, but splitting early is usually calcium or boron related.

Sulfur application is likely a good idea from time to time to keep the ph in check. I do it more frequently with my Macadamia trees which are much more sensitive to a ph of 7.5 or higher.

I started to apply Azomite to all of my trees now so there should not be any major issues with micronutrients hopefully.

The Sweet Tart leaves you referred to are from last year's (2022) summer flush. When the new flush starts soon those old leaves are likely to start dropping off. The problem for SoCal and my location is the cool spring and mild summer temperatures we have. Thus far this summer has been mild with an average low of 65 and a daytime high of 80. This moderate Mediterranean climate is not ideal for growing mangoes. My sweet tart mango tree will get only 1-2 flushes per year at most which is why my mango trees are so small relative to their age. Oh Well.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Sweet Tart Mango Tree Producing in SoCal
« on: August 04, 2023, 08:18:34 PM »
My young Sweet Tart tree seems to be producing well this year. Walking around the tree I count 40+ fruit egg size or larger. Hopefully, most of them will hold until maturity.

Enclosed are a few photos from different angles to show the developing fruit. I hope to begin picking some in late September. In 2021 most of the fruit split and were lost. This year it seems to be less of an issue. I have somewhat reduced water application and do not fertilize until after the fruit ripens. Perhaps the tree is more mature and less prone to splitting. Grafted this Sweet Tart in 2016.

Is anybody else in SoCal that is growing this variety have good production this year.? It would be good to hear from others and compare production and growth.

Johnny



Sweet Tart Mango Tree with Fruit (8-4-2023)



Sweet Tart - Top Half of Tree (8-4-2023)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Chronic underperformers
« on: July 30, 2023, 05:47:54 PM »
I agree with you on the Lemon Zest Mango Tree. Even with regular spraying the tree gets powdery mildew and deformed leaves. In the process of top working most of this tree but will leave a few branches of LZ to see what happens in future years. Wish I would have originally grafted a Maha Chanok to this rootstock.

My Coconut cream grows very well with no disease issues but after seven years and no fruit is also being topworked.

All avocado trees grow great at my location here in SoCal.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Top 3 mango varieties poll
« on: July 23, 2023, 09:00:01 PM »
For sweetness - Lemon Zest

For Complexity and Alphonso Class - Carrie

Classic - Cotton Candy and Fruit Punch

Coconut Class - M4 and Pina Colada

Balanced Classic - Maha Chanok

Just the highlights I tried this year from Florida.

Johnny

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: July 20, 2023, 09:32:13 PM »
My Peach Cobbler mango graft from 2020 is holding fruit this year. Hopefully, they will mature in September. Flowering is no problem with this variety at my location.

As seen in the attached photo, the Peach Cobbler mango graft is on the Right side of the tree, has grown aggressively, and now makes up for 50% of the tree on Kent rootstock.

Johnny



Peach Cobbler graft with developing Fruit (7-15-2023)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Was Fruit Punch overrated?
« on: July 12, 2023, 09:21:43 PM »
Very Well said Palmcity. I completely agree.

Many California mango Growers are expecting high-quality fruit from their small trees and limited root systems.  My experience tells me 7-10 years is required for consistent and quality mango fruit in SoCal.

Actually, my five-year-old Manila seedling tree has a 5" lower rootstock diameter (just measured) but the Fruit punch graft is only 1" in diameter so maybe in 2-3 years it will have more girth to produce higher quality fruit.

I have enclosed a photo as a reference. To the lower left, you can see some young purple Fruit Puch fruit Developing. To the right, my Peach Cobbler graft is still flowering again but some small fruit is forming. On the top center are small Cac fruit forming.

I know my mango tree is still small but hopefully, in 3-5 years the tree will grow well and produce quality fruit.

Johnny

 

Manila Mango Seedling Tree with Grafts (7-9-2023)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Was Fruit Punch overrated?
« on: July 12, 2023, 08:24:16 PM »
Thanks for the very useful information Galatians522.

I have small Fruit Punch fruit developing on one of my Mango trees from a three-year-old graft. They are about the size of a walnut now but hopefully, with consistent summer heat, they will ripen by late September or early October. FP grows very well at my location. I would describe it as a Med-High vigorous growth here in SoCal.

Johnny

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