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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Prune my 12 tall Manila to manageable size
« on: November 18, 2023, 12:10:34 PM »
Wait for spring. You can do it! Don't fear grafting failures, fear grafting injury.

My best so far was La Habra Late, which may be the same as Late Gold.

It's really close to Leo#3, but it sets fruit more easily for me in the dry desert, and it's very late.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB grafted white sapote trees.
« on: November 02, 2023, 08:30:05 PM »
Vernon is supposedly quite good.

You must have some acreage if you're looking for multiple WS trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Wani (Mangifera caesia) cold hardiness ?
« on: November 02, 2023, 07:53:06 PM »
Between pear and soursop!

Wow, sounds like a bucket list type fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Gopher Gold
« on: November 01, 2023, 11:37:32 AM »
In properties where the steep slopes prevent casual vehicle access the gassing has to be more strategic.

The plan is 4x4 vehicles for the sandy areas, and generators for the rocky ones.

Excellent to hear of the exclusionary successes with drain gravel and roofing material. I imagined it was the metal roofing material?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID these mango
« on: October 31, 2023, 07:27:49 PM »
Eucalyptol/pine resin. There's a few mangoes from the American tropics which have a more intense pinene/ eucalyptol type resin. If it's super stringy start thinking East Indian, but honestly you can get a somewhat resiny sap smell from VP as well. Report back with ripe tasting results. VP is peachy dipping into coconut on the back end.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Please ID these mango
« on: October 29, 2023, 07:45:24 PM »
Looks like VP.

How does the sap smell?

Time to put on the Aussie hat and go on a bushunt!

I've had them during the month of August, while on surf trips to El Salvador.  I'd rate the pink fleshed ones above cherimoya and atemoya, and on par with good quality pawpaws.  I've had loads of cherimoyas from both Hawaii and California and loads of atemoyas here in Florida, so I'm not judging from eating a small sample.

All the trees I saw in El Sal, were much better looking than the ones I've seen in Homestead, granted pest pressures are probably higher here in Florida.  The trees also have a more upright growth habit with less overall canopy in El Sal versus here.

You're not the only one, Har also compares Pawpaw favorably.

I've gotta get some of these amazing asiminas.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Latest flush on mango has weird leaves
« on: October 18, 2023, 01:55:49 PM »
I've caused this with foliar feeding at flush time, I'm thinking the timing might be better just prior to flushing.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Cherimoya Seed(lings) Chaffey
« on: October 06, 2023, 02:15:25 AM »
I'm looking more for the rootstock, and Bellevue is more the area I will be growing it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Painter cherilata in San Diego
« on: October 06, 2023, 01:59:47 AM »
Pretty tree/fruit. Mine has not grown as vigorously, but it's getting grafted to new rootstock soon.

Hopefully the fruit is better next year!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mangoes in San Diego
« on: October 06, 2023, 01:56:01 AM »
This time of year specialty produce can carry Valencia pride, if they have them, they're good ones.

Raul describes the ilamas he found in Coatepec as, juicy

I ate probably 30-40 different fruits from various sellers in El Salvador and not one was ever "juicy" and would drip. Not going to say they were dry, but probably not even white sapote levels of moisture. More moist than a mamey, I guess, but not by much. Fluffy is a better description, for me.

I have a simply insane amount of seeds, so I have plenty of chances. I'll sell some if anyone wants to try. Tried to keep seeds only of the very best ones.

Is it "fluffy" like inga? Sometimes Inga are described as juicy, especially ones with high brix that trigger salivation (think cotton candy).

I had grown a seedling which I eventually grafted onto a cherimoya rootstock. It gave only a handful of fruits over the years. And the flowers did not accept cherimoya or atemoya pollens.  I thought it has the sweetness and texture of a sweet potatoe in a not so good way. Mind you this was a seedling and not a named cultivar which probably is much superior. In addition, mine never cracked it would just drop. From what I heard it's best when it cracks.  Which worries me a bit also, as crack cherimoya and atemoya here tends to get moldy before ripening here in my area. So that is interesting for ilama.

When it comes to Anona, texture plays a big part.  Most Asians consider the atemoya superior due to texture. As it is more firm and pleasantly chewy.  If you do not like this texture you would call it rubbery, chewy in bad way, and scallopy lol.  For most American western pallette the cherimoya is superior and the texture is describe as pleasantly custardly. Those that don't like it will call it mushy baby food, lol.  With that said I don't know many with a western taste bud that will pay $15 to $20 a lb for cherimoyas except fruitnuts like us.  While many asians easily pay this for a quality atemoya.  So depending on texture, I could see why asians would not like the ilama.

My perfect Anona would be one with all the superior cherimoya flavors but the texture of a atemoya or firm sweetsop. It took me some years to get past that bit of atemoya aftertaste that reminds a little of rubber, lol. I think it comes from the sweetsop genes and i still taste this in any hybrids. I grow mostly atemoya now.  But if anyone has a pure genetic cherimoya with a atemoya texture, let me know.

I've never had a pure cherimoya with that texture, but plenty of the 3/4 moya's will have it, and they seem to thrive in the intense heat waves of east county. Probably the best choice for targeting that market. (I enjoy the Jak texture too)

That aftertaste is what I describe as phenolic. It's a common defect in coffee, and can remind people of things like strawberry flavor added to those rubber balloons you used to buy at convenience stores and inflate on the end of the straw.  Some people appreciate the flavor, but I can understand why you'd be more inclined to find that bubblegum or Pierce type flavor.

I have a moya with the bubblegum flavor which isn't consistent, it needs to be evaluated for a few more years, but it can have a firmer texture, but not as firm as the 3/4 moyas, which all seem to have that flavor you dislike to some extent.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Cherimoya Seed(lings) Chaffey
« on: October 03, 2023, 03:43:50 PM »
Yes, I'm looking to zone push, so the suspected zone tolerance would be a plus (as rootstock).

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Cherimoya Seed(lings) Chaffey
« on: October 02, 2023, 09:02:37 PM »
Looking for Chaffey seed or seedlings. Open to trades as well.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introduction and Cherilata in Bay Area?
« on: September 29, 2023, 10:04:29 PM »
Mark Lee is in a perpetually cloudy and cool area of San Diego, and his cherilata fruits.
I'm not sure how highly he rates it, but he also probably receives many more heat units than those in the bay area.

Pretty sure it will work out if you tried to grow it.

Give it a go!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Real name for Birula atemoya?
« on: September 27, 2023, 10:47:02 AM »
I LOL'd.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Old Cherimoya Trees
« on: September 24, 2023, 09:46:06 PM »
I've not seen old trees, the oldest I've seen is a big one in El Cajon.

The literature says that the older trees are susceptible to nematodes, and the one I'm thinking of is in heavier soil which seems to prevent the nematodes from doing too well.

This is close to the coast too, I've seen it do well inland, good to know it has a wide range where it thrives.

Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Odd looking feijoa
« on: September 21, 2023, 11:16:52 PM »
I'll be bringing it to wetter WA. It's easier to see in person than to capture in photos.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is this Atemoya or cherimoya?
« on: September 21, 2023, 01:24:44 PM »
It's a cherimoya, there are 5 major physiological expressions, this one is mammillata type.

Atemoyas can vary quite a bit in appearance, so it's difficult to make generalizations about identity based on appearance.

Cherimoyas tend towards much more regular appearance.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is Keit mango this big normally?
« on: September 12, 2023, 10:04:54 PM »
One of them was ripe so I cut it. It was super sweet.
My taste buds are very sensitive to sweet since I am more into non sweet chocolate and got used to it.
I am surprised that Keit mango is not only gigantic but also taste so good. Why don't  people rave about it?

I'm a fan, but there are other varieties that many prefer.
The lemony musk that Keitt is not something you find in the newer, more widely hyped mangoes, and the shelf life of Keitt is also not common.

If you try some of the newer, less nuanced, more candy sweet intense ones, you'll see why. A candy-like fruit really draws people in, but I'm right there with you, some subtlety and nuance goes a lot further with me.

You may enjoy Maha Chanok. It's not as sweet as the newer types, but it has more subtlety, and when grown in SoCal, some of the fruit are excellent and have parsnip and durio flavors. It can also produce multiple crops like Keitt.

That said, it's a mono type, so you will want to graft it to established rootstock, which is a game for the most patient, 4-7 year wait time.

The tape will break down over time, no need to remove.

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