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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #625 on: August 06, 2023, 09:23:56 PM »
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I've had way better success just planting the seeds, endocarp and all, and letting them go through winter outside and sprout in late spring.

I agree...Sometimes the best way to plant a rare, stubborn seed is to just plant it in the ground, keep it relatively moist, and give it some time and be patient. Like most expensive wine require time and patience to get to that desirable level,  so do difficult seeds. Give nature a chance to give it a nudge and wake it up! Our fast paced society wants it bigger, faster, and stronger. But I think nature takes her own time!.
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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #626 on: August 06, 2023, 10:15:12 PM »
No name seedling from my parent Chinese friend growing in Corpus Christi. Itís red and big as half dollar coin.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #627 on: September 13, 2023, 11:43:36 AM »








Wellp, thatís it for me folks. I give up. Myrica californica grafted plants died, as did the two imported ones. Maybe itís my well water, I donít know.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #628 on: September 13, 2023, 12:11:25 PM »
Kevin, sorry to see that.  How are your seedlings doing?  Maybe the best rootstock in the long run are seedlings. 

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #629 on: September 13, 2023, 01:02:35 PM »
Sorry for your losses Kevin.

Did those plants dry up, or did they die and then the pots dried up?

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #630 on: September 13, 2023, 01:36:36 PM »
Sorry for your losses Kevin.

Did those plants dry up, or did they die and then the pots dried up?

I was very dutiful on keeping water within reason on all of these, but stopped watering the corpses hence why the soil looks dry. The one I am holding in my hand was californica which had been in ground for months and doing quite nicely. I felt confident to cut off all the rest of the Californica rootstock.

They all die from the top down. This has happened to all of them which I have kept potted, and now happened to that one in ground one too. This leads me to believe it is a root issue.

Kevin, sorry to see that.  How are your seedlings doing?  Maybe the best rootstock in the long run are seedlings. 

Janet

I had one seedling that was doing pretty well in ground die, another is barely holding on, and another seems to have settled in pretty well and is growing robustly. I replaced the in ground californica with another seedling and we'll see what happens. I put another non-grafted californica in ground in my orchard area and I'll graft it next year I guess.

I am so immensely frustrated by yangmei and all the attempts I've made. My well water can be problematic sometimes so I would like to blame that, but yeah, just have no answer to these issues really. Seedlings only for me going forward.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #631 on: September 13, 2023, 05:57:09 PM »
I grafted 5 scions onto Californica, planted one at home and 4 in Fallbrook.  I expected the one I planted at home to make it since it was my best one. It died once I cut off most of the Californica, I had left one decent sized branch.  Only 2 of the ones I planted in Fallbrook survived, one male Adam scion I got from Marta and a Black Carbon scion I cut from Billís last import.

The grafted trees from the group buys I planted out at the farm seem to be getting established.  Iíll take some pics this weekend.

This is my surviving Anhai from the first group buy with Ken.  It seemed stunted for awhile, Iíve kept it at home because I thought it might have nematodes.



These are my 2 surviving trees from Billís last import.  Theyíre both Black Carbons.  I didnít give them any extra care like the previous trees I had sealed in buddy tape and placed on heat mats indoors.
I planted all the trees in one community fabric pot and kept them in the shade outside under a palm tree.  I decided not to buddy tape them so that I could occasionally mist the branches with foliar spray.  I trimmed the leaves when I transplanted them into their own pots.  I'm constantly picking caterpillars off. 



These are seedlings I started.  Iím keeping them in a large tub so they donít touch the soil in my garden.  They only get morning sun.


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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #632 on: September 13, 2023, 10:54:14 PM »
I have read that it is sometimes helpful to leave a branch of the rootstock in marginally compatible grafts (such as wampee on citrus). Apparently, this helps feed the roots when nutrients aren't properly transfered through a marginally compatible graft union. Since M. California is an evergreen and M. Rubra is deciduous this practice might be even more helpful since its likely that the roots will need to be fed even when the top wants to go dormant. Based on the comments on this thread, it sounds like most of the problems start after completely removing the last rootstock branches.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #633 on: September 13, 2023, 11:04:36 PM »
Nice to see the thread updated.
Kevin, so sorry to hear about you losses.
Janet, those are looking nice.
Galatians522, where did you find out they were deciduous? Mine didn't lose their leaves during the winter. I know some people have some fruiting ones on pennyslvanica, but again, grafting them and getting them to actually grow seems to be the tough part.

TBH I've kinda neglected mine, but then I snapped out of it when I almost lost one due to not watering.
I'm going to plant one in the greenhouse tomorrow if I can make a choice.
I still don't know the secret to grafting them. After asking many growers abroad and local, it just doesn't make sense.
Maybe rootstock is a factor...rubra to rubra being the best compared to others...genetically makes sense.
If anyone is interested in more trees or scions, I'm always ready.


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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #634 on: September 13, 2023, 11:56:42 PM »
Jaboticaba45, I just assumed that all the leafless trees I saw early in this thread from the group buy were naturally deciduous. I guess they were hand stripped to defoliate them prior to shipping? I have not gotten to grow one yet, but I do have a large cerifera in my back yard. I was hoping for better news regarding compatibility. ;D

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #635 on: September 14, 2023, 01:32:56 AM »


Wellp, thatís it for me folks. I give up. Myrica californica grafted plants died, as did the two imported ones. Maybe itís my well water, I donít know.




Iíve said it a million times. Itís the curse. Just had this nice established tree die on me. Was doing great. Then it wasnít.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #636 on: September 14, 2023, 11:46:51 AM »
My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.



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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #637 on: September 14, 2023, 12:31:58 PM »
Kevin, My m. californica has died back too all the grafts from excellent wood from Brad finally died some seemed to be going to push then failed. I cut back all the trucks one is still green at ends so time will tell. But I'm leaning towards Kevins, way of thinking lost two  grafted plants from original buy now this is 2nd time i grafted to m californica with no success so might be time to say no more for me too  :( :P
I applaud all the folks who have successfully grown yang mei and I wish you all fruitful future growing  ;) 8)

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #638 on: September 14, 2023, 01:25:08 PM »
My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.




Brad, nice job your tree looks great!  Are you feeding your tree?  Have you tried grafted on a male scion?

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #639 on: September 14, 2023, 01:32:34 PM »
Kevin, My m. californica has died back too all the grafts from excellent wood from Brad finally died some seemed to be going to push then failed. I cut back all the trucks one is still green at ends so time will tell. But I'm leaning towards Kevins, way of thinking lost two  grafted plants from original buy now this is 2nd time i grafted to m californica with no success so might be time to say no more for me too  :( :P
I applaud all the folks who have successfully grown yang mei and I wish you all fruitful future growing  ;) 8)

I have some seedlings for you next time I see you, to help assuage the pain! I have had much better luck with them, and for the price of one fruit (which I enjoyed anyways) it doesn't hurt if they die on me.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #640 on: September 14, 2023, 01:45:40 PM »
Kevin, if your seedlings grow well, I'll send you scions to graft, assuming my grafted plants make it.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #641 on: September 14, 2023, 01:57:59 PM »
Kevin, if your seedlings grow well, I'll send you scions to graft, assuming my grafted plants make it.

Janet

Appreciate it Janet, will be at least a year by the looks of how slow things establish in my yard. It seems there is a 2 year wait for any real growth, then it goes well. I'll get a photo of my in ground seedlings soon.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #642 on: September 14, 2023, 02:00:06 PM »
There's still hope. My trees are grafted on Californica rootstocks. All trees planted in late June of this year and still doing great.  It's about to put on another flush. The unprotected tree got nibbled by deers.









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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #643 on: September 14, 2023, 03:24:03 PM »
My biqi from the original buy is still hanging in there.




Brad, nice job your tree looks great!  Are you feeding your tree?  Have you tried grafted on a male scion?

Janet

I did put some raw chicken turds under it once but other than that not much.  I also ran some 25-5-15 fertilizer through the injector to get the acvocado trees and this tree is on the same lines so it got a little bit of chemical fertilizer also.  But not much.  Havent grafted anything to it.
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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #644 on: September 14, 2023, 04:22:56 PM »
My seedling plant really took off this year




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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #645 on: September 15, 2023, 01:01:44 AM »
Great updates everyone! Looks like Brad and Maxís trees are really taking off. Kevin, Iíve had that happen to me as well. Some trees on Californica will be doing great and then just suddenly die. Some trees I grafted on Californica just seem to thrive and seems to be immune to whatever it was that killed the tree right next to it.

In terms of grafting Yangmei, if you can graft citrus, mango or stone fruit, you can graft Yangmei. Just make sure you have fresh scions and healthy rootstocks. A simple cleft graft will work.

Iím starting to think that itís possible for these trees to fruit without a male since Shaneís seedling tree fruited without a male graft. The farmers from the group buy also stated that they didnít need a male. Even if they donít need a male, itís probably best to have one because it could take many years before the tree produces itís own pollen and yields will probably increase significantly with a male grafted.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #646 on: September 15, 2023, 01:34:45 PM »
My 1 remaining plant (out of 10 that I bought) that still survive in a 7 gallon pot.  It was labeled as a dong kui male but it looks like a seedling.  Wonder if I can take an air layer of the main trunk?

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #647 on: September 15, 2023, 02:15:10 PM »
If you donít see a graft line, it is probably a seedling. You can take air layers from Yangmei but it can take a while to form roots. You may also consider growing out some M. Californica or Cerifera rootstocks and then grafting some branches onto them if you want to propagate more male trees.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #648 on: September 15, 2023, 02:17:17 PM »
My 1 remaining plant (out of 10 that I bought) that still survive in a 7 gallon pot.  It was labeled as a dong kui male but it looks like a seedling.  Wonder if I can take an air layer of the main trunk?

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Forgot to mention that If your tree is a seedling, thereís a chance it could be a female.

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Re: Yangmei (Morella/Myrica rubra) thread
« Reply #649 on: September 16, 2023, 12:29:47 AM »
Hereís an update of the Summer growth on my Yangmei. I grafted these trees onto M. Rubra, Cerifera and Californica. All the rootstocks were grown in the USA.

















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