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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: gnappi on December 30, 2022, 01:16:15 PM
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This coming spring I plan on making room in my yard for as yet undetermined varieties.
Slated for the axe are:
Excalibur Mamey. After 12 years of die back and no fruit, this one goes for sure.
White Sapote. After three years of performance like the Mamey I pulled it.
Peaches. Even though I have gotten fruit and the two I have are healthy, the crops after 9 and 11 years have not been large enough to justify the space.
The soursop was completely cleaned of foliage by this last cold snap, it's been (putting it mildly) a shy bearer and as of now its only use was adding leaf litter and shade to the yard :-)
I may once again try guava. I've had great luck with large number of fruit, but had serious fruit fly issues. This time I'll try bagging the fruits much earlier.
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This is a cool thread idea. Much of my ventures into fruiting plants has been experimentation, and most I have never tried, much less know if they grow well in my microclimate. So, there has been a bit of trial and error. I have learned to not trust the taste of the first fruits of many plants, and usually give a few years of fruiting to prove themselves.
But, if a plant does not thrive or grow well here, it instantly becomes a non-favorite. I like plants that grow well for me, here and now. Willing to try different things to make them happy, but if it is too hard, "bye bye."
Gave up on a lot of citrus, but still working with kumquat, ponderosa lemon, finger limes, and Buddha's hand.
Gave up on giant grenadilla passion vine. Vine went crazy growing out of control, fruit flavor was okay, and animals attacked it incessantly. Moving away from some other passifloras, either due to taste or limited ornamental value/space.
Took out Alano sap. Tasty fruit, but poor production here. Silas Woods does better, and hopeful re Butterscotch.
Might chop guanabana tree. Thinking of replacing with yangmei and rare eugenias. I like the fruit, but a pain to clean and not sure I want to feed to my family.
Probably will chop noni, or pug it and keep around for leaves to cook with.
Giant cado tree towered above house and driveway, large fruits, never tasted a single one. Too high up, squirells attacked, but my car's hood was able to get a taste here and there. It was also rotting, and was a hazard. Chopped.
Probably will get rid of most or all of my dragon fruit. I have some nice plants, but they don't flower and fruit much, and don't seem to like the excess rain and sprinkling. I do best with plants that like water. Sucks, as I like cacti, but desire to water often overrides need.
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Which white sapote variety was it, Gary?
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As an indoor gardener, I had to toss away my fig tree cause it was causing my whole apartment to smell like cat pee. Chilean guava never fruited for me indoors. I think it might need cooler weather to trigger flowering or something.
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Soursop will be gone. Any temps below 40f , it drops leaves and fruits. Trying mountain soursop instead.
Everbearing mulberry is gone. Too tiny and messy. Will keep thai and
austirkey.
Many unproductive figs are gone.
Kaffir lime tree will be gone. No use for it in my house.
Ana
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Florida peaches do well and are productive here in Charlotte county. I guess Miami is too far south.
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Soursop will be gone. Any temps below 40f , it drops leaves and fruits. Trying mountain soursop instead.
Everbearing mulberry is gone. Too tiny and messy. Will keep thai and
austirkey.
Many unproductive figs are gone.
Kaffir lime tree will be gone. No use for it in my house.
Ana
In case you really like Soursop, I have one that did not loose leaves each of the time I get 36 degree or less, while the others all turn brown and drop leaves. I will be able to share scions in the future. For now, I am waiting to see how the fruit tastes.
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Bananas! I’ve killed them 3 years in a row. My neighbor had the same experience. Other people somewhat near me seem to make it work, but it’s a bit of a money pit for me. It’s time to try something else.
Mangos. I have tried these quite a lot, and no success. I had 30 seedlings, and 29 have died. The one that is holding out may be good…but if it dies, so will all of my mango efforts.
Garcinia of any kind. I kill all of them. They die from too much sun, too much cold, or sometimes for almost no reason at all. I’m finished with garcinia.
Miracle berries. I had 20 seedlings, and 19 are dead. The last one alive is the one that I gave to my friend, and he found out that they only live if you give them expensive filtered water. Sorry berries, you’re not for me! Palm grass or whale grass works well here!
Yellow dragonfruit. I might be able to keep one alive in just the right spot, but wow they are much more sensitive than other dragon fruits.
Kadsura. I actually have 2 of them going, but I think I won’t enjoy the fruit. :P. Let me know if anyone wants to trade locally!
Lychee. I almost tried these, and my local friend has a tree. I read too much about these being difficult to fruit (both amateur and professionally). I decided to give up before starting. Sticking with Kohala longan!
Bromeliads. I’ve killed too many. I’ve told myself that I can now only grow pineapples from the top of the fruit. I don’t lose any money if I kill them. If I can finally fruit one, I’ll try a white pineapple or their bromeliad.
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This coming spring I plan on making room in my yard for as yet undetermined varieties.
Slated for the axe are:
Excalibur Mamey. After 12 years of die back and no fruit, this one goes for sure.
That’s too bad . Our Excalibur mamey has fruited and it’s outstanding, albeit a slow growing/compact tree (which I suppose is a benefit to some). Very bright red flesh too.
Are you growing other mamey varieties? I ask because some don’t self pollinate well.
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Lemondrop mangosteen -- small fruit and often infested with small worms
Cattley guava -- Caribbean fruitfly magnet
Papaya -- smells like feet when good and usually infested with Papaya fruitfly maggots when not. Might try again and bag sooner.
Cherry of the Rio Grande -- small worms in dark fruit. Nope....
Peaches of all varieties -- had a small orchard of glorious Florida peaches for a couple of years before the Caribbean fruit fly found it. Couldn't protect them and every peach infested with maggots.
Grumichama -- some infested with small worms
Passionfruit -- too hard to control
Dwarf everbearing mulberry -- fruit too small to be worth the effort
Citrus except for Sugar belle and Persian limes -- citrus greening killed the rest
White Sapote (Suebelle) -- if in fact a real Suebelle, this fruit had a real nasty aftertaste. Attracted fruit fly as well.
Jujube (Sugar Cane) -- Never fruited in Central Florida; was told it needed more chill hours by the nursery. It also had too many spiny suckers popping up.
Wax jambu -- small fruit, tasteless and attacked by fruit fly
Pitangatuba -- small bombs of pure acid; perhaps good mixed with a drink, but not fresh eating
Low chill pears -- nice tree but no fruit in six years in Central Florida
Feijoa -- small flowers but never any fruit in 7 years
Various Guava -- not once attacked by Caribbean fruit fly (amazingly), but not a fresh eating fruit for me
Rollinia -- die back and no fruit
June Plum -- fruit was hard to eat and seed had spikes
Ice cream bean -- need two to pollinate and die back every winter
Figs -- a few varieties were ok, but not worth the space and the constant battle with rust
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At this point . . .
I'm done with certain guavas (Ruby Supreme and Mexican Cream). Every tree started out great but then declined and died. I'm guessing nematodes. Cattley Guava is doing well, but no fruit yet.
Passionfruit. Out of hundreds of "fruit", only two had pulp. Grew out of control and it was the reason that part of my fencing was pushed over in Hurricane Ian. It took the hurricane to cut it off the power pole it was climbing.
I am trying to resist planting any tree or plant that doesn't do well in 10a. I have enough fun stressing about Mangos and Jackfruit in cold weather to not need to add to that.
I need to resist planting every seed I encounter.
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Green sapote. Over one year in the ground and has only grown about 10 cm! Mamey sapote are growing much faster and taste similar.
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Soursop will be gone. Any temps below 40f , it drops leaves and fruits. Trying mountain soursop instead.
Everbearing mulberry is gone. Too tiny and messy. Will keep thai and
austirkey.
Many unproductive figs are gone.
Kaffir lime tree will be gone. No use for it in my house.
Ana
In case you really like Soursop, I have one that did not loose leaves each of the time I get 36 degree or less, while the others all turn brown and drop leaves. I will be able to share scions in the future. For now, I am waiting to see how the fruit tastes.
Interesting soursop you have! Hopefully it taste good!
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I gave up on Day avocado. Second attempt to grow this variety. The first time it was in a windy spot. This time it was in a super hot and sunny location with no breezes (where my Monroe tree is thriving). It seems this variety is particular about where it will grow. Also, I had a chance to taste the fruit and was underwhelmed--very buttery texture but no flavor, and it ripens unevenly.
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Lemondrop mangosteen -- small fruit and often infested with small worms
Cattley guava -- Caribbean fruitfly magnet
Papaya -- smells like feet when good and usually infested with Papaya fruitfly maggots when not. Might try again and bag sooner.
Cherry of the Rio Grande -- small worms in dark fruit. Nope....
Peaches of all varieties -- had a small orchard of glorious Florida peaches for a couple of years before the Caribbean fruit fly found it. Couldn't protect them and every peach infested with maggots.
Grumichama -- some infested with small worms
Passionfruit -- too hard to control
Dwarf everbearing mulberry -- fruit too small to be worth the effort
Citrus except for Sugar belle and Persian limes -- citrus greening killed the rest
White Sapote (Suebelle) -- if in fact a real Suebelle, this fruit had a real nasty aftertaste. Attracted fruit fly as well.
Jujube (Sugar Cane) -- Never fruited in Central Florida; was told it needed more chill hours by the nursery. It also had too many spiny suckers popping up.
Wax jambu -- small fruit, tasteless and attacked by fruit fly
Pitangatuba -- small bombs of pure acid; perhaps good mixed with a drink, but not fresh eating
Low chill pears -- nice tree but no fruit in six years in Central Florida
Feijoa -- small flowers but never any fruit in 7 years
Various Guava -- not once attacked by Caribbean fruit fly (amazingly), but not a fresh eating fruit for me
Rollinia -- die back and no fruit
June Plum -- fruit was hard to eat and seed had spikes
Ice cream bean -- need two to pollinate and die back every winter
Figs -- a few varieties were ok, but not worth the space and the constant battle with rust
IMO I also had too many plants that the worms (fruit fly etc.) loved to enter... I'm trying my best to get the wife to allow me to cut that number down to hopefully have a few months with no fruit bearing that the fruit fly etc. would want to enter to at least decrease my yearly infestation to lower numbers.
The papaya has a few thicker skin varieties that seem to have little fly larva able to enter them... I believe that was red lady with the thicker skin but not sure... I now just plant the seeds of which ever crossed yard variety I think has thick skin, good taste, and thick trunks...
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I'm a sucker I guess. One thing I know is container culture can get just about anything to work if you give it the right moisture and humidity. I'm getting rid of Surinam cherries because they are not prolific enough and don't taste that good to me. I'm focusing on stuff I like and have a unique enough flavor that I want it or it is super easy to grow. Zone 7
- guava if protected
- citrus if protected
- Banana if Protected
- Jujube in ground
- Che in ground
This winter will reveal if
- White sapote protected otherwise it's indoor
- Carambola protected
- Variegated wax jambu
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This coming spring I plan on making room in my yard for as yet undetermined varieties.
Slated for the axe are:
Excalibur Mamey. After 12 years of die back and no fruit, this one goes for sure.
That’s too bad . Our Excalibur mamey has fruited and it’s outstanding, albeit a slow growing/compact tree (which I suppose is a benefit to some). Very bright red flesh too.
Are you growing other mamey varieties? I ask because some don’t self pollinate well.
Planted one of these today and hope I have the experience with this mamey Alex had.
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NDM Mango - Year 5 and not one flower panicle yet. Will get decapitated by March if no blooms this year.
Keitt mango- after being told about its susceptibility to MBBS, it has it pretty bad, also didn’t flower at all last year and I can’t do the whole alternate bearing thing, life is short, mangos are priority.
Pitangatuba- needed two for pollination or had to hand pollinate, my best bud also hated the fruits so I yanked it after many acidic/ sour tasting reviews.
-Lucs Garcinia - it gave up on me and I gave up on it. Ungodly slow growing and either over watered or underwatered, after three years of a 12 inch seedling I gave up.
- Mexican Garcinia - could never figure it out it was always looking terrible.
“Pantin” Mamey Sapote after 4 years of tic-tac siZe fruits falling off and tons of foliar growth i decided something that needs 24 months on the tree to ripen is too risky for me and takes too much space and light.
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Guavas, had to bag every fruit from fruit fly and then would still find larvae in bagged fruit, I love eating them so may try again with one tree not ten lol
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Red or pink guavas for me. I've grown em most of whats available in FL and they are not as sweet as I'd like to be worth growing- plus I get that vomit vibes when eating it lol. I enjoy the asian white types wayyy more as they are firm when ripe and the fruit size is almost double. There is a white 'pear shaped' type that I really love but its production is sparse. Starwberry guava (Psidium cattleyanum) is where it's at. Beautiful lush ornamental tree, evergreen in my zone, with delicious bit sized fruits that are enjoyable at various stages of ripening.
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Fruit trees that I've already given up on include
Guava: fruit flies destroyed them before they ripened and it was very disheartening to have to pick and dispose of every single fruit.
Pineapple guava (feijoa): pineapple-like taste but too sour, even after fully ripe. It didn't help that they ripened at the same time as my white pineapples, so they fared very poorly in comparison.
B-10 Starfruit: pretty fruit, but too sour. I have a Kari starfruit that has much more palatable fruit and, really, who can use more than one starfruit tree.
Dwarf ladyfinger banana: the taste was boring in comparison to the dwarf apple banana (brazilian) and blue java that I also have.
Jamaican passionfruit: not a single fruit set, though many beautiful blossoms. I have other passionfruit that are very productive, so I yanked this one.
Trees that are currently on probation include
Dwarf wi apple (spondias): fairly tart for eating out of hand, and quite a bit of work to prepare enough fruit for making even a cup of relish.
Carob: they keep dying on me before they get even 1 foot tall. Might be too wet where I am (150" / year).
Tamarillo: I'm on my second try to keep one alive. It is not thriving.
I'm doing this for fun, so a tree that makes me unhappy does not stay. It makes for easy decisions and I am left with trees that I like!
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After 10yrs doing this in my current yard
Gave up on:
Mamey - Don't like the fruit enough
Canistel - Don't like the fruit enough
Olosapo - Don't like the fruit enough
Eugenias - Haven't really been impressed with the ease of growing or fruit. (Rain Forest plum and Araca are the exceptions)
Lychee - Unless I hear positive Erdon Lee reports when it makes it stateside
Sugar Apple - White fly magnet
Malay Apple - 8 years no fruit
Cherimoya
Scale back the amount:
Jackfruit
Avocado
Star apple
Starfruit
Soursop
Jury still out:
How many Jabos and Garcinias do I actually want/need (Whats worth planting considering local soil and weather)
White Sapote
Kwai Muk
Abiu
Love:
Mangos, Mammea Americana, Atemoya, Custard Apple, Coconuts, Mulberry, Persimmon
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White sapote: too sweet ; no one in the family eats it any more; leaves falling; fruits dropping; insects under the leaves.
Pomagranate: cracking; fruit flies; and no one in the family eats.
Kei apple: long thorns; roots are invasive; fruits drop; and no one in the family eats.
On probation list:
jujube: too many suckers; invasive roots.
Mango: mildew
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interesting thread, for sure the stand out tree im about to give up on is strawberry guava I have eaten exactly 1 fruit off this tree despite it making hundreds of fruits multiple times a year, every time they start out looking nice and green and as they get bigger they go a brown colour and go extremely hard and then they are done. No idea what causes this but the tree has 6months left to get past this or its gone.
My big Washington navel is also on notice, it flowered last year and made small fruits that all fell off, it had better perform this year or its also gone. 2 x sugar apple trees are also on notice for mimimal production, they had better ramp up numbers of fruit next crop significantly or they are gone.
2x soursop trees may also be gone due to toxicity in fruit.
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Get my axe!
Capulin cherry - In ground 6 years and finally started producing undersized fruit the past 2 years that are bitter and more seed than flesh.
Malaysian Guava - produces a ton of large fruit year after year that never fully ripen in the summer/fall and eventually succumb to mold over the winter. Damn shame as they are beautiful trees.
Dwarf Cavendish Bananas- I can’t get these stupid bananas to fruit. They produce a ton of pups but never any fruit. It’s the only variety that I can’t get to fruit.
Ancient Hass Avocados- my old, thick trunk avocado trees take far too much water to produce fruit. Now they are dragon fruit scaffolds.
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Which white sapote variety was it, Gary?
I got it at Excalibur, it was a Suebelle or Homestead.
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2x soursop trees may also be gone due to toxicity in fruit.
Where do you get this source of infomation? Seed is known to have toxin just like any other annoyas. Flesh is believe to stop cancer, but has to have enough potent/quantity. In Asia, we eat alot during the season.
I don't think it is more dangerous than tomato and potatoe, which if eat too much or not cooking long enough.
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2x soursop trees may also be gone due to toxicity in fruit.
Where do you get this source of infomation? Seed is known to have toxin just like any other annoyas. Flesh is believe to stop cancer, but has to have enough potent/quantity. In Asia, we eat alot during the season.
I don't think it is more dangerous than tomato and potatoe, which if eat too much or not cooking long enough.
Hey mate if you do a search on this forum there was a fairly extensive topic about this not too long ago
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I am coming from the other climate extreme,
Almost giving up on figs, feijoa and mulberry, to hot and rainy here, haven't got much decent fruit out of em. Never any feijoa.
Tamarillo have always failed for us here.
tropo, that's sounds likely fungus covering your Psidium littoralis, littoralis points toward it being native towards the beach where there's more wind and less fertile for fungus to proliferate. Could also be a caterpillar.
tropo, is it the black hard inside the soursop that worries you? I know that could have some of the alkaloids.
SHV,
thanks won't try any Capulin cherry.
skhan,
"Malay Apple - 8 years no fruit"
Same here it's 8 years and no fruit or flower, girth is like 20cm and it's about 8m tall. Starting to take out some laterals to make it less crowded, but idk they probably have to get big before they flower. Fruit is worth it though! Bill Whitman's Malay where huge too.
Seriously, Abiu, one of the best fruits and fruits really early, and if the tree is strong with not to much fruit on there's no fruit fly issue.
HI,
I'v got the same experience with carob, they don't survive! Really wet here too.
FM,
did you try the ruby supreme? Did that one get flies?
chro,
IDK what feet smell like where you live but here papaya taste and smell great. Maybe you can try a different variety.
Solo, red lady, krang etc.
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Almost giving up on figs, feijoa and mulberry, to hot and rainy here, haven't got much decent fruit out of em. Never any feijoa.
feijoa are almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds! coincidentally, australia has no hummingbirds : (
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Cassowary apparently they soursop has toxins that contribute to Parkinson’s. I’m it sure why the guava all go rock hard maybe fruit fly is stinging every fruit? Happens when they are like normal marble size
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tropo,
We have a white guava and hawaiian pink guava. Both are doing very well without too much watering throughout the dry season. Got a nice crop now and have had no issues with fruit fly. No experience with strawberry guava though.
cassowary,
Surprised to hear about mulberry. We have a similar climate here and our mulberry fruits very well multiple times a year, with regularly pruning. Definitely benefits from watering when fruiting in the dry season since the fruits will dry out easily. Regarding abiu, never once had a issue with fruit fly. Have picked over 200 fruits in the last month and no issues with fruit fly. Flying fox love them though!
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Great thread!
For me it’s been:
Papaya - didn’t like the fruit
Bananas - didn’t like the fruit enough over store-bought to justify the effort.
On the fence is:
Coconut cream mango - two trees in different locations have been nothing but problems and no fruit production so far.
Lychees - my favorite fruit I grow but the issues with production and now the erinose mite have sealed the deal and I have already planted their replacements.
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Great thread!
For me it’s been:
Papaya - didn’t like the fruit
Bananas - didn’t like the fruit enough over store-bought to justify the effort.
On the fence is:
Coconut cream mango - two trees in different locations have been nothing but problems and no fruit production so far.
Lychees - my favorite fruit I grow but the issues with production and now the erinose mite have sealed the deal and I have already planted their replacements.
How long have your coco creams been in ground?
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Since 2017 and 2020 respectively.
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I have a bad luck with 2 coconut cream mangos as well...
Ana
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FruitGrower and Flgarden, what problems did you have with the trees, e.g., growth habit, disease, etc.? Thanks!
P.S. if my coffee plants go, I'll add that to the list of trees I gave up on . . .
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Almost giving up on figs, feijoa and mulberry, to hot and rainy here, haven't got much decent fruit out of em. Never any feijoa.
feijoa are almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds! coincidentally, australia has no hummingbirds : (
Source on feijoa pollination being almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds? Mine are mainly pollinated by squirrels and larger birds, which are attracted to the sweet petals. In fact, here's a study: https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecy.3778?af=R
"A. sellowiana flowers have fleshy white petals with a purple interior, with many red stamens and an upright red central pistil located above (Figure 1a). The pollination process is unusual since the energy-rich petals are the resource being consumed by birds that are the main pollinators (Ramirez & Kallarackal, 2017)"
"Flowers do not produce nectar." - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320695638_Feijoa_Acca_sellowiana_O_Berg_Burret_pollination_A_review
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Since 2017 and 2020 respectively.
I planted a CC in 2014 and have gotten fair to good production the last 2 years.
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FruitGrower and Flgarden, what problems did you have with the trees, e.g., growth habit, disease, etc.? Thanks!
P.S. if my coffee plants go, I'll add that to the list of trees I gave up on . . .
Mine were growing a little in the spring and then no growth for the rest of the year and eventually bark was unhealthy looking, cracks, looking stunted. Eventually died.
I have a mango from a root sucker of a tree grown from seed and gave tasty mangos. That one grows like weed fast. Maybe i just pick wrong CC.
Ana
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FruitGrower and Flgarden, what problems did you have with the trees, e.g., growth habit, disease, etc.? Thanks!
P.S. if my coffee plants go, I'll add that to the list of trees I gave up on . . .
The older one has constant limb dieback, symptoms of micronutrient deficiencies despite regular foliar and drench applications, and has hardly grown in 5+ yrs. The younger one grew a little better but the limbs always grew downward. I would trim those in an effort to get more upward growth and they’d do the same, after so many prunings on a small tree, it began to show similar symptoms to the other one, though not as bad. I cut both back recently and went crazy with the minors in hopes of seeing something that will make me keep them but I’m not holding out hope. We’ll see.
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Rollinia (hard to grow, die back and no fruit)
Fig (die back, few fruit but not worth the effort)
Pomegranate (small fruit, shy bearer)
some Mangos (Keith and probably Lemon Zest, fungus problems)
all kinds of citrus (greening disease)
Oro Negro Avocado (refuses to grow in my yard, others do fine)
Blueberries (despite my best efforts, no to low production. pH is the problem)
Pecan (not suited for south/central Florida)
Atemoya (not thriving, fruit good but shy production)
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...macadamia tree. Squirrels went nuts for the nuts, and didn't seem to like the only spot for it.
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Almost giving up on figs, feijoa and mulberry, to hot and rainy here, haven't got much decent fruit out of em. Never any feijoa.
feijoa are almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds! coincidentally, australia has no hummingbirds : (
Source on feijoa pollination being almost exclusively pollinated by hummingbirds? Mine are mainly pollinated by squirrels and larger birds, which are attracted to the sweet petals. In fact, here's a study: https://esajournals.onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ecy.3778?af=R
"A. sellowiana flowers have fleshy white petals with a purple interior, with many red stamens and an upright red central pistil located above (Figure 1a). The pollination process is unusual since the energy-rich petals are the resource being consumed by birds that are the main pollinators (Ramirez & Kallarackal, 2017)"
"Flowers do not produce nectar." - https://www.researchgate.net/publication/320695638_Feijoa_Acca_sellowiana_O_Berg_Burret_pollination_A_review
It came from some guy in Arizona on YouTube that runs a tropical fruit farm but I can’t remember what his name was. I admit your evidence certainly goes against what I’m saying but UC Davis arboretum educational database has “hummingbird” listed as the only wildlife value for feijoa so idk, I could be wrong though
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Wow that is interesting info. thanks
We have "sun birds" and they do have a thin small long beaks and eat nectar. I actually never even had any flowers, so idk yet if they would try and visit the flowers.
fruit nerd,
Yeah I know people in Mossman and further south get mulberries but I think it's to much rain where we are because they always die back in the wet and the fruits don't ripen well, only get bit's and pieces here and there. And not very sweet. Planted some of the white long one but it performs even worse then the short fat red.
tropo,
Is it established through clinical study that the flesh of the fruit increases Parkinson disease risk?
Maybe it's the leaf extract. I know there would be incentive from pharmaceutical companies to engineer studies to make it look dangerous in order to reduce the amount of people opting for Gaviola treatment vs expensive chemical therapy.
"Caparros-Lefebvre and Elbaz in 1999 reported that consumption of teas and fruits of some tropical plants, including graviola, was associated with atypical parkinsonism, leading to speculation that graviola might contain neurotoxins reviewed by Gavamukulya et al."
"However, a consensus was reached in 2010 that consumption of species of Annonaceae was not directly related to occurrence of atypical parkinsonism (reviewed in [4, 120])."
" Given that graviola is already widely used in traditional medicine, these agents, if properly tested and produced, could potentially represent huge benefit by providing accessible and affordable agents against many of the conditions that plague humankind."
providing accessible and affordable agents, sounds like the antagonist to Astra and Moderna's current products.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6091294/
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29599630/
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My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.
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Probably on my fifth time trying to grow rollinia might be the last. Also my dwarf hawaiian starfruit. Its the most sensitive to water. Outside i have to make sure it barely gets water or the new growth dies but as soon as i bring it in for the season one day of being a little too dry it drops all it leaves and has die back
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After a couple of years struggling with a Dancy tangerine and a Minneola infected with HLB I dug them up last week and will be planting a Sugar Belle and a Tango (shipped directly from a certified Florida grower) in their place, with nets installed over them for a few years at least.
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My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.
Highly recommend topworking it, or trying them when they are only dark orange. Loquat is an absolute keeper and there are some excellent varieties. Cannot fathom replacing it with jujube personally...
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My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.
Highly recommend topworking it, or trying them when they are only dark orange. Loquat is an absolute keeper and there are some excellent varieties. Cannot fathom replacing it with jujube personally...
Loquat is a keeper because it is the only tree that ripe in early spring. A good cultivar tastes great.
I would not recommend planting jujube because of suckers and invasive roots. It is worse than bamboo.
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This is an interesting topic lol. There's been a few trees where I just completely gave up on.
Around 20 years ago I got 2 longan airlayer varieties from Florida at a time where usually u could only find Kohala here. It was Sri Champoo and Edaw. It was directly from the man that first brought it from Thailand and introduce it to Florida. For the life of me, I can't remember his name but if anyone knows, let me know. In all, that time I was never able to get a single ripe fruit from them, blooms profusely, but barely held fruit and when it did the fruit never quite ripen. To this day, I still don't know why as I hear other had successes in California. Well I topworked both trees about 4 years ago. I get fruit from those top work now, ahah.
Another was ilama. Maybe 15 years ago i obtained some seeds. Babied the few seedlings that I got. Got 1 to live. Grafted that seedling branch onto my cherimoya. Took a few years but it flower. It was a pain to pollinate as it didn't accept any other Anona pollens. When I did get fruit, it tasted like a sweet potato to me. But kept waiting for it to get better or maybe I thought I did something wrong. Gave up on it a couple years ago and topworked the branch. I just leave it at just bad luck and poor variety ahah.
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My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.
Highly recommend topworking it, or trying them when they are only dark orange. Loquat is an absolute keeper and there are some excellent varieties. Cannot fathom replacing it with jujube personally...
Loquat is a keeper because it is the only tree that ripe in early spring. A good cultivar tastes great.
I would not recommend planting jujube because of suckers and invasive roots. It is worse than bamboo.
Update: I decided to keep the loquat tree after reading comments from K-Rimes and seng. Today, my wife picked about a dozen of fruits off the tree and they tasted so sweet and flavorful. The tree is a keeper now.
Thanks folks.
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When it comes to disappointment with fruit trees nothing delivers like Eugenias in terms of fruit low quality and sourness compared to descriptions offered when you got them. For those hooked on pain grow mangabas, I did. Seedling sapodillas, durians, lansiums and a few other species including cambuca and giant mulchi can offer a different kind of disappointment as the years roll by and no fruit appear.
Growing cold climate stuff in a hot area can test patience also like CORG and all its perturbations. Yes feijoa and tamarillo, babaco and so many others are mongrels in a warm climate. Cassowary you can grow dwarf brown turkey and genoas and even get the occasional fruit with full sun and excellent drainage. Dwarf regular and shathoot mulberries can be grown also and even have a few fruit. BTW sunbirds mainly eat insects and the honeyeaters have long tongues to get nectar.
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Chopping:
Arabian White Guava-Hard and tastes like pine cones...really all guavas except lemon and strawberry guava. The others just aren't sweet and juicy enough.
Pitomba-slowly die
Sweet limes-insipid. Not sure I get sweet limes. Its like nonsalty salt...whats the point?
Tamarillo-Cant keep them alive.
Suruga persimmon-fruit falls off fully formed but still green?
Sunberry ( Solanum oocorum )-If you think Kei apples are dangerous these things are lethal. 2 years and grew to massive plant with hypodermic needles all over...and no fruit.
Maybe Chopping:
Valentine Pummelo-just sweet, no distinct flavor.
Dragon fruit that require hand pollinating. Aint nobody got time for that!
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When it comes to disappointment with fruit trees nothing delivers like Eugenias in terms of fruit low quality and sourness compared to descriptions offered when you got them. For those hooked on pain grow mangabas, I did. Seedling sapodillas, durians, lansiums and a few other species including cambuca and giant mulchi can offer a different kind of disappointment as the years roll by and no fruit appear.
Growing cold climate stuff in a hot area can test patience also like CORG and all its perturbations. Yes feijoa and tamarillo, babaco and so many others are mongrels in a warm climate. Cassowary you can grow dwarf brown turkey and genoas and even get the occasional fruit with full sun and excellent drainage. Dwarf regular and shathoot mulberries can be grown also and even have a few fruit. BTW sunbirds mainly eat insects and the honeyeaters have long tongues to get nectar.
I am currently chasing the Cambuca dream. My tree is somewhere between 1-2 years old and about a foot tall. One day I'll get some fruit on it hopefully, but in the meantime, man they are just beautiful trees - the day it produces a fruit will just be a bonus for me!
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I had no idea cambuca was notoriously long to fruit until I read this thread and went digging. Mine is about 2ft tall... long way to go I guess. Maybe I'll get lucky and get one of the early fruiting ones.
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In saying that I have a fruiting cambuca and 4 others that flowered for the first time recently. My big one is over 4m tall and was last to flower and the fruiting one was 1.5m when it started.
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My loquat tree is slated to go to make room for my jujube. I bought the loquat tree because I heard it was one of “preppers” fruit trees. when the tree fruited last year, the fruits tasted so sour it was disappointing.
Highly recommend topworking it, or trying them when they are only dark orange. Loquat is an absolute keeper and there are some excellent varieties. Cannot fathom replacing it with jujube personally...
Loquat is a keeper because it is the only tree that ripe in early spring. A good cultivar tastes great.
I would not recommend planting jujube because of suckers and invasive roots. It is worse than bamboo.
Update: I decided to keep the loquat tree after reading comments from K-Rimes and seng. Today, my wife picked about a dozen of fruits off the tree and they tasted so sweet and flavorful. The tree is a keeper now.
Thanks folks.
That's awesome it worked out for you! Great job persevering and keeping the tree!
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Chilean guava (Ugni molinae).
In the span of 5 years I have bought at least 10 of these plants all due to having replace dead ones. Regardless of their iterations, they are extremely sensitive. IME just touching the branches lightly to inspect growth I saw said branch die back in a few days for no reason. What's available to buy are just too small and expensive to keep trying to grow. I'mma pass on these for now. Soursop is easier to grow then these in FL 9B lol.
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Yeah Ugni seems to do best in shade in 60 degree san francisco fog.
I gave up on them , but they are worthy of a spot if they grow and fruit great at your location.
Seems to be a northern Cal , PNW plant.
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Chilean guava (Ugni molinae).
In the span of 5 years I have bought at least 10 of these plants all due to having replace dead ones. Regardless of their iterations, they are extremely sensitive. IME just touching the branches lightly to inspect growth I saw said branch die back in a few days for no reason. What's available to buy are just too small and expensive to keep trying to grow. I'mma pass on these for now. Soursop is easier to grow then these in FL 9B lol.
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……Ugni seems to do best in shade in 60 degree san francisco fog.
I gave up on them , but they are worthy of a spot if they grow and fruit great
at your location. Seems to be a northern Cal , PNW plant.
Well this finally makes sense to me here in Tampa 9b (or maybe now 10a). I never got
Ugni to thrive, even in the shade. The two I got just never grew, just sat there, and
eventually just expired. [sigh] They were in 80% shade but I'm guessing that our
central Florida summertime heat is what finally did 'em in.
Now, unless there is a named cultivar or cultivars which are more heat tolerant I'm just
washing my hands of this species.
Paul M.
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They are not that good anyways . more tiny bird food. Much smaller than blueberries with a thicker skin and meh flavor.
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Most of the pathogens people describe here are preventable with a healthy soil.
I got more than 100 tree species and the only one I wouldn't grow again is hazelnuts. I got 3 varieties but none of them is fruiting. Too much hassle to have compatible pollinators.
Just a note on trees suffering from cold weather. A right spot, right design of waterbodies, rocks and mulch can increase the resistance of trees to more than a few degrees. Also, there are always more cold-resistant cultivars. Grafting on wild root-stock usually works wonders.
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BTW the parkinson's like symptoms from over indulgence in annonas doesn't seem to be getting good coverage. If you should find yourself in Gaudelope for an extended period and you indulge in multiple sour sop smoothies daily with seeds blended though there is a case for moderation. I think the situation has been over exposed.
Speaking of moderation design and placement of elements just like soil health and biological activity including fungal diversity are not magic bullets but can help a bit. There will never be a durian, mangosteen and pulasan wonderland in Crete no matter the configuration of waterbodies rock and heat retaining ideas are implemented. Soil borne diseases, especially fungal ones can be reduced by great healthy soil as well as nutrient rich soil and these are different btw. The classic being phytophthora. Airborne, bug spread and soil/water borne ailments of some types with really sensitive trees often can't be held off. Resilience of healthy trees and soils is important but sometimes is just not enough.
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I am very curious about how to create especially healthy and especially nutrient rich soil. I hear about things like biochar, mycorrhiza, Johnson-Su (https://youtu.be/DUOxfLR7n-k?si=4nN7YuONu1Ee7oWC), micro climates, cover crops, mulch, hot composting, cold composting, x y and z to lower pH closer to neutral, etc. etc. but it is quite difficult to discern the hype from the effective or to know if any of the buzzwords are synergistic vs antagonistic.
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I am very curious about how to create especially healthy and especially nutrient rich soil. I hear about things like biochar, mycorrhiza, Johnson-Su (https://youtu.be/DUOxfLR7n-k?si=4nN7YuONu1Ee7oWC), micro climates, cover crops, mulch, hot composting, cold composting, x y and z to lower pH closer to neutral, etc. etc. but it is quite difficult to discern the hype from the effective or to know if any of the buzzwords are synergistic vs antagonistic.
Home compost and mulch. lots and lots of it. can't go wrong.
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Apples- fine I get that they barely grow here in 10a. That said I am not digging my two remaining ones up until I have all my other spaces filled. I have Tropic Sweet and Ein Shimer remaining, dorsette and anna have never survived long term.
Peaches- I gave up on these two seasons ago. Not worth the effort and money to try.
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Don and Katie Chafin of Going Bananas had those longans 20 years ago
This is an interesting topic lol. There's been a few trees where I just completely gave up on.
Around 20 years ago I got 2 longan airlayer varieties from Florida at a time where usually u could only find Kohala here. It was Sri Champoo and Edaw. It was directly from the man that first brought it from Thailand and introduce it to Florida. For the life of me, I can't remember his name but if anyone knows, let me know. In all, that time I was never able to get a single ripe fruit from them, blooms profusely, but barely held fruit and when it did the fruit never quite ripen. To this day, I still don't know why as I hear other had successes in California. Well I topworked both trees about 4 years ago. I get fruit from those top work now, ahah.
Another was ilama. Maybe 15 years ago i obtained some seeds. Babied the few seedlings that I got. Got 1 to live. Grafted that seedling branch onto my cherimoya. Took a few years but it flower. It was a pain to pollinate as it didn't accept any other Anona pollens. When I did get fruit, it tasted like a sweet potato to me. But kept waiting for it to get better or maybe I thought I did something wrong. Gave up on it a couple years ago and topworked the branch. I just leave it at just bad luck and poor variety ahah.