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Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« on: September 06, 2024, 06:56:49 PM »
A few years ago, after eating 50 or more varieties of mango, my inquiring nature led me to ask mango growers what their favorite mango was. Many of the answers were similar, such as Lemon Zest or Coconut Cream, but there was one mango name that stood out because it wasn't even on the radar (at the time). According to Matt Reece of Peace River Organics, his favorite mango of all time was the Bolt, and in fact, it had just won a taste test he had conducted at a meeting in Sarasota. Thanked him for his feedback, and simply told him was looking forward to sampling Bolt.
The following mango season, several people were invited and gathered together at the Starbucks in Punta Gorda for a mango taste test. There was about 30 people, give or take a few. Top tier mango were sampled and thanks to Matt, the Bolt was included. Towards the end of the event, people huddled together to taste the Bolt. They were blown away! Fisherman and farmers can be fibbers- fortunately this taste test was filmed! The Bolt caused everyone to wonder where the heck had this mango been all their lives and why they had not heard of it before.
Very good question. Where had the Bolt been before? That led me to visit Dr. Richard Campbell and the Mango Men of Homestead, the source of the Bolt mango. Interestingly enough, the Bolt is an interspecific hybrid with a brix over 30% according to Dr. Campbell. He had about 15 pounds of Bolt available for sale at his front porch and bought them all, wondering why nobody else had scooped them up.
Got home and started eating Bolt, only to be unimpressed and wondering why the Bolt was very average. It was fairly sweet, but lacking flavor character. It was a 7 out of 10 score, unlike the 10 out of 10 that was just previously eaten at the Starbucks. The fruit looked exactly identical but the taste was not. Go figure. It was a mystery.
The next season, July 2024, another Bolt found its way into my hands, this time not from Mango Men, but once again from Peace River Organics. When it was ripe, a few people assembled for a taste test (on video) and the Bolt was compared to Lemon Zest, a top tier mango and my former favorite mango.
Once again, fireworks went off as the Bolt taste explosion overwhelmed Rico from Reflection Comics and a few other people fortunate enough to sample the Bolt! Digging in for myself, there was that incredible taste once again, which reminded me of both Coconut Cream and Lemon Zest together. To say the least, the Bolt was incredibly fantastic, a 10 out of 10 score!
So given that Bolt has been around for at least a decade, how is it that it is not the IT mango? Here is where science and opinion meet, bearing in mind that there are established measurements and that taste is subjective. This is by no means conclusive, but it is the best explanation to date and am willing to hear perhaps another convincing argument:
Dr. Campbell grows his mango in very high PH coral ground, laden with sinkholes and yes, even coral snakes living in these coral depressions! He calls his grove "an old reef". He insists on never adding "any synthetic inputs, no amendments, no nitrogen". He sees the chlorotic nature of his trees as a benefit.
Apparently, a mango tree in higher PH soil will not be able to absorb certain nutrients like Iron, phosphorus, etc from the roots. This lack of nutrients will cause the leaves to become chlorotic and the decrease in chlorophyl will then cause the fruit to be less sweet-because the leaves will absorb less energy to convert into sugars for the fruit.
Having eaten both the Bolt grown at Dr. Campbell's under these chlorotic inducing conditions and having compared it to the Bolt grown in the low PH sugar sand of the west coast of Florida- there was a night and day drastic difference! My opinion is that Bolt never gained acceptance early on because people were eating the inferior high PH, low taste Bolt grown in coral rock and initially not the ideal conditions of low PH sugar sand soil found here on the west coast of Florida.
Some people have commented that they grow in coral/limestone but add supplements to correct imbalances. Dr. Campbell has stated he adds absolutely nothing to his mango trees. So no corrective measures are being done to correct these imbalances. Also, Bolt is an interspecific hybrid and there may be circumstances which can cause exceptions that regular mango do not experience environmentally in response to high PH chlorotic conditions. Specifically, their effect on the taste of the Bolt. It may be drastically more sensitive to PH imbalances than the regular mango which are not interspecific hybrids.
There was also an early taste test conducted by Sulcata Grove which was not favorable. Apparently, the Bolt was not ready for prime time and any taste test of over  or under ripe mango will not be favorable.
Out of the gate, Bolt was viewed as a very average mango. It did not get the buzz it rightfully deserves during its "launch". However, my firsthand experience, and the experiences of other who have recently tasted the sugar sand West Coast Florida grown Bolt- demonstrate that this is an exceptional taste test winner!
Bolt is a top tier mango and in my opinion the finest mango of the 60 plus varieties eaten to date. When grown under ideal conditions and properly ripe, the Bolt tastes exactly like a Coconut Cream and Lemon Zest in one, creating an UNPARALLELED synergy of taste.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2024, 07:21:08 PM »
 wow, gonna want scions next spring...

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2024, 09:19:45 PM »
Never mind.  I watched the video with Richard Campbell.
« Last Edit: September 06, 2024, 10:00:34 PM by johnb51 »
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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2024, 11:36:39 PM »
Vincent, sounds like a winner. How is the growth on the Bolt mango, does it do good against most mango type diseases?

I will need to get some scion wood to graft on my trees here in CA. I now have two large, old mango rootstock that I will be grafting next spring.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2024, 07:24:01 AM »
I tried the Bolt at that tasting and honestly can't recall anything about it. Interesting that bovine421 put it in a "classic" category in another post about the famed and elusive Bolt--would lemon plus coconut equal classic? For us, the Bolt was unremarkable. Haven't had a desire to search one out since. I definitely appreciate there may be a perfect window of opportunity to consume this fruit that would make me do backflips (or at least want to try to do a backflip), but a mango that sensitive doesn't interest me when other outstanding ones perform way better.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2024, 12:06:52 PM »
This is an amazing talk--how Richard Campbell came back from the dead to save the mango!  Everyone should listen to it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NzMiEWb6G6w&t=705s
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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2024, 01:17:02 PM »
Possibly a rootstock effect?
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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2024, 01:49:51 PM »
Bolt is an excellent mango, but I agree that not all samples exemplify such. ST was the same with me, first few tries weren't amazing.

Dr. Campbell has done amazing work, and anyone who loves mangoes could feel a sense of gratitude. His blend of knowledge, humor, and mango stories are unparalleled. His generosity and contributions to our beloved fruit hobby and work will have lasting effects on mango lovers yet to come.

And he told me, when he passed and went to the other side, there were amazing mangoes beyond our collective imagination's capabilities. Returning is a testament to his love of family and mango work =)

« Last Edit: September 08, 2024, 01:51:27 PM by roblack »

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2024, 04:01:40 PM »
My comments about the Bolt are from my own experience and that of my girlfriend. This isn't meant as a slight to Dr Campbell who I have the utmost respect for. We had the pleasure of meeting him at a Mango tasting in Punta Gorda, and he was very generous with his time and knowledge.

I do hope my comments temper potential FOMO for a mango some might ultimately not enjoy, especially at the price point young trees are selling for. I don't think Sulcata Grove should be criticized for their review of the Bolt, either--they didn't produce the mangos they ate, but they gave a review of mangos sold to them, and it's something another buyer might experience, as well. Is it their fault the Bolt ripened unevenly or half had jelly seed?

Bottom line, I feel people should try before they buy, as going on other people's praise or pan oftentimes isn't enough.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2024, 04:06:07 PM »
To Vincent's original point: without me being able to back this up scientifically, it does make sense different growing conditions equal different results.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #10 on: September 08, 2024, 06:12:05 PM »
Really want this one for my collection, but Peace River won't ship in 3 gallon size, and the 1 gallon is out of stock. The nursery is an over 300 mile round trip for me.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2024, 03:15:33 PM »
Interspecific hybrid, do you know the other specie?

Wonder if this hybrid mango would perform well in wet humid conditions.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2024, 03:59:25 PM »
Really want this one for my collection, but Peace River won't ship in 3 gallon size, and the 1 gallon is out of stock. The nursery is an over 300 mile round trip for me.

He had 6 one gallon trees at Mango Fest for sale. The rootstock wasn't Magnifera indica.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #13 on: September 10, 2024, 02:21:00 PM »
 I was at that taste test you had at Starbucks and was fortunate to taste that Bolt... it was a phenomenal tasting mango. I too have heard mixed reviews on it and you bring up some great thoughts on soil ph and location that could effect the taste. I still have a hard time swallowing the price that grafted Bolt saplings are priced at, so I have not added it to my collection. I hope you have another mango tasting again next year, Vincent.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #14 on: September 11, 2024, 03:27:21 PM »
I was at that taste test you had at Starbucks and was fortunate to taste that Bolt... it was a phenomenal tasting mango. I too have heard mixed reviews on it and you bring up some great thoughts on soil ph and location that could effect the taste. I still have a hard time swallowing the price that grafted Bolt saplings are priced at, so I have not added it to my collection. I hope you have another mango tasting again next year, Vincent.
well I was there too but I was more focused on a fellowship with fellow forum members I had a cooler full of mangoes in my hotel room and I brought a box of Bombay mangoes so I really only had a small piece of sliver of bolts so I'm still willing to give it another go. Vince is a cool cat really enjoyed talking to his family. Very much enjoyed Punta Gorda so I'm down with another tasting event. Leaving the Hayfield about to have a tasting of my own



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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2024, 01:40:59 PM »
  I think I met you, bovine 421. We defiantly need to have another mango tasting!

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« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2024, 03:46:10 PM »
  I think I met you, bovine 421. We defiantly need to have another mango tasting!
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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #17 on: September 14, 2024, 05:36:18 PM »
In that video, starting around 56:30ish, Dr Campbell says these interspecific hybrids are anthracnose resistant, yet the Bolt that Sulcata Grove had from Homestead had anthracnose upon its skin?

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #18 on: September 14, 2024, 05:45:22 PM »
I'm also curious, did the lawyer from the Secretary of Agriculture pay for dinner with Dr Campbell?

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #19 on: September 14, 2024, 05:55:04 PM »
I saw the "Bolt" trees at Matt's table at Mango Fest, but I hadn't heard too much about them. Got an Angie from him. I've been trying to do research and still haven't seen much about the fruit or the trees, however there are a few reports here and there - including this one. One I'll have to keep an eye out for, hopefully more information comes out about it.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #20 on: September 14, 2024, 07:34:26 PM »
I tried the Bolt at that tasting and honestly can't recall anything about it. Interesting that bovine421 put it in a "classic" category in another post about the famed and elusive Bolt--would lemon plus coconut equal classic? For us, the Bolt was unremarkable. Haven't had a desire to search one out since. I definitely appreciate there may be a perfect window of opportunity to consume this fruit that would make me do backflips (or at least want to try to do a backflip), but a mango that sensitive doesn't interest me when other outstanding ones perform way better.
which farm did you taste that Bolt at?

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #21 on: September 14, 2024, 08:21:01 PM »
I was at the tasting in Punta Gorda organized by Vincent, so I'm guessing it was from Matt Reese? I don't remember being filmed during the tasting, and I'd prefer not to be filmed 😜

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #22 on: September 14, 2024, 09:24:37 PM »
i'm not familiar with Matt's farm. The Bolt I tried from Dr Campbell in 2017 was so good that I saved the seed. It's about 12ft now.

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Re: Bolt Mango- UNPARALLELED taste discovery.
« Reply #23 on: September 14, 2024, 10:29:58 PM »
i'm not familiar with Matt's farm. The Bolt I tried from Dr Campbell in 2017 was so good that I saved the seed. It's about 12ft now.
Matt's website is peaceriverorganics.com and his channel is What's Ripening? on Youtube.

Do you remember anything about your experience with the fruit aside that it was good?

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« Reply #24 on: September 15, 2024, 09:44:19 AM »
i'm not familiar with Matt's farm. The Bolt I tried from Dr Campbell in 2017 was so good that I saved the seed. It's about 12ft now.
Matt's website is peaceriverorganics.com and his channel is What's Ripening? on Youtube.

Do you remember anything about your experience with the fruit aside that it was good?
thanks, yes I know of it but have never tasted his fruit.
As far as I remember, it had a very complex Indian flavor. I don't remember it having any citrus or coconut notes, though it was a very long time ago and I might have forgotten the details.

 

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