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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Biochar
« on: October 02, 2025, 06:31:13 PM »
Does anyone here make there own biochar? If so, what is your recipe?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Jackfruit Seed Germination Question
« on: August 04, 2025, 03:05:37 PM »
Inside the Aril, the seed has a very thin, brown skin. This skin almost always slides off when removing the aril. Is it necessary to try to preserve that brown skin when sowing?

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Do you think it would be OK to use just the broken down litter layer, and the very thin topsoil layer of our tropical forest soil to fill 3-gallon plant pots for growing jackfruit seeds?

They don't have any good potting soil products available locally. There is some pretty poor compost (looks similar to very small wood chips mixed with ash) available from the municipality. None of our homemade compost is anywhere close to being ready, and we want to get the ball rolling with starting Jackfruit in air-prune pots.

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1. Centella asiatica (Gotu Kola)

2. Bacopa monnieri (Brahmi)

3. Gymnanthemum amygdalinum (Vernonia / Bitter Leaf)

4. Phyla nodiflora (also known as Lippia nodiflora, “frogfruit” or “carpetweed”)

5. Sauropus androgynus (Katuk)

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I'm looking for fresh Katuk seeds. I was gifted about three white Katuk fruits from ECHO last year, and obtained about 6 seeds total. I planted them three weeks after they were harvested (keeping them within their fruit until just before planting time), and one of them actually germinated successfully. It has become a decent-sized bush in a year, and I have already taken cuttings from it. The bush has been flowering profusely since it was about 3 months old, but it has never produced a single fruit, so I'm guessing they require cross-pollination with another genetically-distinct individual.

I was strongly cautioned NOT to grow the plant from seeds while at ECHO, but apparently success is possible with very fresh seed. I'd be interested in some seeds next month ( late September) if anyone can time some fruiting for then.

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Hey TFF community, it's been a while since I've posted here. I wanted to share a recent video I made that might be useful for newer permaculture enthusiasts.

As many of you experienced growers already know, the "just add biology" approach often pushed in permaculture circles falls short without addressing mineral deficiencies. This reality became starkly apparent on our property in Peru, where we have two areas with identical management but dramatically different results due to underlying soil mineral content.

I documented this contrast in a video comparing the two sites, complete with ICP soil tests showing the total element levels. For many of you veterans, this information might seem obvious (I remember someone here once telling me "obviously you need to add nutrients over time if you're harvesting fruit"), but I've found this fundamental principle is often glossed over in permaculture education.

The video shows two areas of our farm about 100m apart - one thriving, one struggling - despite identical techniques. The ICP tests revealed the struggling area had only 128ppm total potassium in the topsoil.

Recently, when a permaculture instructor visited our property and suggested, "Mexican sunflower is successful at my place, and a lot of the syntropic people love it, have you considered using that plant to get more Potassium?" It was a perfect example of missing the point - you can't fix the absence of an element by simply planting an accumulator plant, right? Am I missing something here? Aren’t there laws of physics and stuff on this earth of ours? Even if Mexican sunflower were excellent at concentrating potassium, the plant can't perform alchemy - it needs to accumulate the potassium from somewhere, but our topsoil, subsoil, and parent materials are all extremely potassium deficient.

Fixing our deficiencies has been quite expensive, and I'm curious if any of you have found cost-effective solutions for large-scale remediation, particularly in tropical systems? Our conventional solution would be applying tons of wood ash, but the quantities needed make this challenging for our scale. Have used Potassium sulfate, but not sure how economically sustainable any of this is. You’d really need some high-priced value-added crops to compete with people growing in bottom-lands into the ashes of rainforests.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDTgyHAPykQ

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This is a seedling avocado tree six degrees from the equator, so probably has nothing to do with day length. My guess is the plant is still young and hasn't built up enough root reserves to support both flowering and leaf growth/maintenance at the same time. The picture's from about 2-3 weeks ago. Since then, the tree has started developing leaf growth, but still some bare patches here and there. Still flowering profusely. Seems like the plant is flowering at the expense of leaves. What would cause that?


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I've heard it said before that fertilizers damage the microorganisms of soil and compost, but I've looked at the certificate of analysis of one OMRI approved product, Azomite, and thought perhaps its Al content might be more damaging than a very light broadcast application of K2SO4, especially as many more times weight of Azomite would be required to equal the same amount of K20 in an application of Potassium sulfate. Also, Potassium sulfate does not have a high salt index. I also read that certain presentations of Potassium chloride are approved for organic use, whereas no presentation of Potassium sulfate is approved, which is strange since KCl has a much higher salt index.

If we have a soil that is very healthy and with a diverse population of resilient microorganisms shouldn't it be able to roll with the punches when confronted with an application of a low salt index synthetic, anyway? Seems like flirting with severe K deficiency would be a bigger problem for those same microorganisms.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / A Question for Avocado Growers
« on: April 02, 2025, 05:59:05 PM »
We have a big avocado tree that's about 20ft tall by 20ft wide. It is five-six years old and has now started to flower profusely. One of the big lateral branches recently broke. No big winds, nothing fell on it. It broke in a spot about 2ft from the trunk. Not a clean break. It's still attached a little bit on the underside of the branch, and the break looks very jagged with lots of "splinters" sticking out.
I might expect something like this if the branch were loaded with fruit, but it's still in the flowering stage right now.
What do you think caused the branch to break?

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I was collecting some organic matter in the forest today to use for Vanilla cultivation, and realized that the trunk of a fallen Socratea exhorrhiza palm had a whole bunch of very nicely decomposed organic matter on the inside. It's actually hard to find large amounts of organic matter like this in the forest. I usually just use leaf litter or rotten wood, because nature isn't just presenting me with nicely finished compost piles all over the place. So this was a pretty happy find for me. The inside of the trunk is usually just really thick strands of fiber, but apparently that turns into good stuff over time?

Here's a video I took today after scooping a bunch out. The other living palm I show growing nearby is a different species I think. Probably Iriartea deltoidea.
https://youtu.be/ckj4e-gUo_8


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This is a pasture legume. The new growth is worse than the old growth. Google image search says Bean Golden Mosaic Virus. Are there any nutritional deficiencies associated with that?


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How long do they live? And how tall & wide do they get? Some of ours are quite large after only five years (30-40 feet tall). It's hard to imagine that they'll live very long as their growth rate rivals and even surpasses pioneer trees like Inga. The very long-lived, climax species are usually pretty slow by comparison.

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Does anyone here grow oil palm without a lot of inputs in poor soil? Seems like these are universally cultivated in histosols.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / My Air Prune Containers Didn't Work
« on: March 10, 2025, 09:23:49 PM »
The roots went out the bottom holes and then started trailing along the ground. I left an inch or so between the bottom plate and the cement, but apparently that wasn't enough. Maybe it's too humid here? I started putting my plants on upside-down milk crates today so that they get more airflow along the bottom and hopefully root prune like they're supposed to.

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Using avos and mangos as an example, most of the Hass and Fuerte die, and the rootstock takes over and does OK. To be fair though, even the avos from seed are hit or miss here.

Mangos. Kent and Edward. They do OK, definitely stunted compared to seedling mangos, and not at all vigorous. Some stems look kind of sooty, but they usually can putter along, death is very rare. Seedling mangos grow beautifully and vigorously across the board. Pretty much no pest problems or disease problems ever, and are leaving the grafted mangos in the dust by far when it comes to the size of the trees.

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It's mostly about weather, climate, species, variety, genetics and management. Apparently I missed the memo that production has nothing to do with the mineral content of soils, their properties and management.


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I bought a piece of Atemoya fruit from Robert is Here fruit stand in Homestead. The piece of fruit was in a fridge when I bought it. I saved the seeds and planted them about two weeks later. That was in May, here we are Oct 1, and none of the seeds have sprouted.

From the same time frame, I also planted seeds of Sapodilla, Canistel, Star Apple, Katuk, and Pitomba. Many of those seeds sprouted months ago, but nothing from the Atemoya seeds. Is Atemoya a sterile hybrid? Did the refrigeration kill the seeds? Maybe the fruit was irradiated?

Is it safe to say that those seeds will not sprout this late? I'd like to use the pots and soil for something else.

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I bought some custom fruit tree potting mix for small quantities of seeds that were hard for me to find. Now that a number of different things have germinated, I've seen that damping off has been a problem for a number of seedlings, and even though I'm using air-pruning pots, I notice the mix never really dries out, and grows algae, liverwort, and other weeds indicating very wet conditions.

Back in California, I used to use Ocean Forest potting mix straight out of the bag, and never had any problems.

This mix I bought here in Peru is apparently too heavy. Is there something I can add to it (without disturbing the tree seedlings) that can help aerate it a bit better? For the pots that never germinated anything, I was thinking about mixing in perlite before planting something else.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Vanilla pompona from seed?
« on: September 02, 2024, 12:37:09 PM »
Does anyone here have any experience growing vanilla orchids from seed? I found someone locally who can get me pods of Vanilla pompona and planifolia. I'm guessing the seeds aren't viable for long. Someone told me that they would require a laboratory to propagate from seed. Why would that be? I've grown all sorts of plant species from extremely small seeds, by just covering the seed trays with plastic. What is it about the vanilla that would require a laboratory?

I can get cuttings too for about 3-5USD depending on species, but I'd really like to have a couple thousand small seedling plants, especially since that amount of cuttings would break the budget.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Plant ID CHALLENGE part 2
« on: June 15, 2024, 02:19:17 PM »
Part one: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=55319.0

Image searching online was pretty much useless in helping me figure out this next one. I'm about 99% sure I know what this is. If it is what I think, then the reason image searching doesn't work very well is because there are not many photos of foliage from young trees of this species.

The first photos are all of the same tree. The last photo is of a smaller tree.














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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Plant ID CHALLENGE part 1
« on: June 14, 2024, 05:25:51 PM »
Part 2 here: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=55330.0

There's been a few plants that we planted at our place that I've overlooked for the past four years. When someone sells you a plant down here, you really can't be 100% certain that it is what they say.

So, here are a few plants from our farm that I've been paying attention to lately that I'm not sure we've identified correctly. The first part of the series I will share a plant that I basically have no idea what it is, other than I think I remember hearing the name, Mamey Rojo, attached to it in conversation four years ago. It looks nothing like Pouteria sapota, nor is it Mammea americana. Therefore, I doubt it is any species of Mamey, so don't let that name throw you off. It's probably something completely different. Maybe it's not even a fruiting tree, who knows. I haven't seen any fruit on it, but it seems to be constantly flowering. We've fertilized it plenty over the years, and the ducks and geese have been using it as a shade tree this year, so it has all the fertility it would ever need to produce fruit, but so far just flowers all the time for about 2 years straight now.

Edit: I just cheated and used google search by image, so now I think I know what it is.

But maybe someone else wants to see if they can guess without using image search.











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Tropical Fruit Discussion / How To Propagate Vanilla?
« on: June 14, 2024, 04:44:27 PM »
Someone wants to sell us "cuttings" of vanilla for us to grow Is that right? I had assumed that they would be selling seeds instead, but I'm a total vanilla novice so what do I know.




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I was thinking about getting one of those pickers that's basically a set of pruners at the end of a telescopic pole.
Here's an example:
https://www.amazon.com/Smarkey-Telescopic-Extendable-Harvester-Telescoping/dp/B08BFK2HPL/ref=sr_1_18?s=lawn-garden&sr=1-18

None of the other pickers with a basket or "finger" design would work as we have a lot of stubborn fruits like Annona where the stems do not separate. If you try forcing it the stem will just pull away a good portion of the inside of the fruit and you'll end up with mostly only skin harvested and some sort of rotting mess left in the canopy. So we're getting lots of these fruits and they are on pretty tall trees. The trees will just keep getting taller too. The stems of the fruit need to be cut in order to harvest properly. I've measured some fruit stems that are thicker than 1cm, so cutting capacity is a major factor in making a decision.

One other picker candidate would be a pole saw with a back end that can function as a pruner/lopper that you pull with a rope. The advantage with those is that they are by far the longest option. Example:
https://www.amazon.com/Upgraded-Branches-Pruning-Trimmer-Extendable/dp/B0CNCLQ3LW/ref=sr_1_4?s=lawn-garden&sr=1-4

I don't think I'd ever use the saw portion though. Imagine getting the saw snagged in a branch 30ft up. My main concern with those as a fruit picker is that the rope/pulley/lopper portion seems to stick out quite a bit, and it might get caught on branches or otherwise be difficult to finesse within the crown of a tree to isolate the stem of a fruit and make a clean cut without banging into fruit, branches, trunk, leaves, etc. and causing damage to the tree. Another disadvantage: As far as I can tell they don't have a way to grab the stem, and they don't have a basket/bag, which means the fruit is going to fall. An advantage is their cutting capacity. They can all handle fairly thick diameter stems/branches compared to the options marketed as fruit pickers.

Of course, the main factor is what we can reasonably acquire down here in Peru. I don't think shipping a pole saw that weighs over 10 pounds is going to be economical. Even those pruner-style telescopic fruit pickers are usually around 2 meters when unextended.

There are some domestic options like this:


But the longest version available now is only 4m. All distributors are out of stock of the 5 meter versions. And they aren't going to get any for a few months if ever.

I think it would be silly in our case to get anything smaller than 5 meters. Otherwise we will find ourselves needing another longer unit in a couple years.

There's a 5.5 meter version available on Ali-Express, but with shipping it ends up being about twice as expensive as one of the 5m ones that are sold domestically. It would be great if there were one of these pruner-style options that was significantly longer, yet 5.5 meters is the longest option I could find.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Silvopasture
« on: April 10, 2024, 01:47:29 PM »
Can anyone here point me to some successful examples of silvopasture with cows and high-density tree plantings? Most examples I see are very widely spaced plantings or dense plantings but within widely spaced rows. I'm interested in seeing something more similar to what we have here which is trees everywhere planted very close.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Drought in the Amazon
« on: April 06, 2024, 10:12:18 PM »
Just wondering if any of this made it onto the radar of the media in the USA?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5JFx_xGhugU

It looks like things are shaping up to be even worse this year. March is typically the rainiest month of the year here, and it turned out to be a huge disappointment. Way below normal. Haven't been too impressed so far with April either. My wife's from a village where the river (the Huallaga) overflows typically in March and April. It hasn't even come close this year. We need to start getting a lot of rain for that to happen, but the problem is May & June is typically the start of the dry season.

I've seen a huge difference here just since we moved here. Something's off about it. The way we used to get rain all day or all night. Now we might get the same sort of clouds, but we're lucky if they drop more than a millimeter. I've heard a lot of people comment this year about how there's hardly any coffee, and It's been a long time since we had a big rain event. I installed a rain gauge last year in July, which is the middle of the dry season. The biggest rain event between then and now was back in October:  3.52 inches.

The way it fails to rain often is a little unnerving. This area will be in big trouble if things don't change.

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