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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Terrible season
« on: May 20, 2022, 08:20:08 AM »
I had good fruit set and retention even after a very minor frost. My two issues this year have been fruit drop due to drought, and squirrels. Even so, I will have about as many mangos as last year instead of the increase I was hoping for. Have caught 2 rabbits in a week to relocate but no squirrels yet.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thinning Mahachanok mango
« on: May 12, 2022, 09:22:20 AM »
I think the problem is the bad angles of the lower branches. Only one of the three remaining lower branches looks like it could support a lot of fruit.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Thinning Mahachanok mango
« on: May 05, 2022, 09:08:50 AM »
I would not thin. The heaviest bearing branches might bloom a few months later than usual the next time and you might get some off season fruit if you don't lose them to frost. I often get off season fruit from this variety. It the entire tree never blooms at the same time.

No specific tips, but I have a tree nearby with plenty of material if you need to figure it out by trial and error. I have seen the other species propagated by chip budding.

I know some varieties of muscadines need more chill in Winter than even North Florida gets in order to crop well. My area is probably borderline for even the lower chill varieties.  I saw a bunch of wild plants last year at the Lee county free mulch site on Pine Island and some others in Punta Gorda and Cape Coral on vacant lots. Never seen fruit on any local wild plants though. Maybe this year they will fruit after the relatively cold Winter.
 If you want to try fuzzy kiwi, Vincent and Tomuri are the pair to try in South Florida, since they only need about 100 hours of chill. There are others varieties than need up to 800 chill hours. Kiwi vines get really thick and heavy, I saw one years ago in South Carolina that was so big the owner supported it with 6x6 posts over an area the size of a baseball infield. Forget fuzzy kiwis unless you have acreage. They grow like Jack's magic beanstalk.

I know Muscadines grow here.  I have a few recently planted. Last Summer I saw a nice productive vine of a black variety in Cape Coral on a chain link fence, so I know they can do well even this far South IF you make the right variety selection.  Not all muscadines will be productive here, if the varieties I picked don't thrive I might ask the owner of that vine for cuttings.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fabric for frost protection
« on: February 16, 2022, 08:32:13 AM »
This year at my location we suffered the first light frost in at least 7 years but very little damage. When I lived in the Charleston,SC area , I overwintered peppers and tomatoes by covering them with blankets and mulch. We had lows into the high teens Fahrenheit maybe once or twice a Winter, with several dips below 25. The tomatoes and peppers had damage but recovered. I think fabric can be very helpful to reduce the severity of cold damage,and completely protect up to some point. What if you could cover a full sized yet compact mango tree,say 10-12 feet by 10-12 feet fairly easily with one of these? Or double them up and combine with irrigation of the ground?

I would think a canvas parachute might work better than synthetic, has anyone tried using parachutes?
Personally I don't really need to worry much about cold damage where I am now, but I have a lot of experience in zone pushing when I lived in South Carolina and I thought old parachutes might be a good idea to at least consider. Maybe you could use a kerosene lantern or a few candles under the tree for a bit of additional heat that could get trapped under the parachute.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: South/Central Florida Cold Fronts
« on: January 31, 2022, 10:57:12 PM »
Less wind last night but there was frost on roofs, cars, and grass this morning in my neighborhood. I wasn't expecting that since it was supposed to be a few degrees warmer. It didn't feel any colder.

I topped a young Jackfruit tree from about 11 feet to 5 feet and it never recovered. I left a couple small healthy branches after topping with the idea of having several main branches a couple feet off the ground.
 It was previously in great shape, but after topping it was reluctant to put on new growth. It hung on a couple years before dying. Not sure how a mature tree would react, but without more information,  I would do it in a couple stages waiting to see how the tree reacts before cutting it back more. I am in a marginal area for Jackfruit as far as climate goes, maybe there is no need for worry in your area.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Winter is coming to central Florida
« on: January 30, 2022, 09:27:30 AM »
If you are able to buy and transport large round hay bales,  burying the trees above the graft line in hay can help.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: South/Central Florida Cold Fronts
« on: January 30, 2022, 08:31:46 AM »
Very windy yesterday with low humidity. Lost a few leaves on a TM Jackfruit due to cold and wind yesterday but the fallen leaves looked normal and healthy.
 Might lose some more today since it was even colder and still windy last night.
 Low of 34 this morning at my location at the West edge of Cape Coral near Matlacha. 
No frost on roofs or cars in my immediate area. Hoping my Maha Chanok  and Edgar mangos don't drop their early crop. Lost a few guppies in an outdoor aquarium because water temp got down to 45 but there were survivors. Thankful for my microclimate. One strange thing I have noticed about my microclimate, the tops of palms and bananas here almost always have a little wind movement even if no breeze is felt on the ground. Rare for there to be no air movement. Sort of like a sea breeze near a beach. Coldest night the last 7 years at my location.
Wondering how cold Pine Island got last night....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Do mysores tip?
« on: January 12, 2022, 04:59:59 PM »
When I gave them a trial, ALL of them folded over in moderate winds. ( below tropical storm force) It wasn't a root issue, the stems were just too weak. The plants just never thrived anyway in my poor Cape Coral canal subsoil fill. They are delicious but have slender pseudostems and need a spot protected from wind on as many sides as possible at least until you get a good mat established. You could use other bananas as a windbreak. Top 3 varieties for me out of about 20 I tried growing are

1.  Sweetheart (FHIA-03) Stocky, wind, disease and drought resistant. Bears early and large bunches excellent all around. Our family favorite. Very few suckers.

2   Praying hands   Excellent quality with a hint of vanilla. When cavendish gets dark it is nasty but these are still good at that stage. Tall and sturdy and produces well. Just cut the stalk to harvest once they start turning yellow. Disease and drought resistant.

3   Tall Orinoco (Burro)  Disease and drought resistant,slender pseudostems like Mysore but much sturdier. Smaller bunches of very nice fruit, the one I have has a hint of strawberry taste at the right ripening stage.

I have no irrigation and all have fruited reliably for me when mulched. They all are planted where they receive additional rain from roof runoff and/or AC drip line. I hit each mat with a couple pounds of cheap fertilizer to help them push some growth and again once they flower.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pickering Seems To Be In A Coma
« on: January 09, 2022, 10:05:09 AM »
Pickering is one of the latest blooming mangos for me. Usually starts to push bloom along with Little Gem when the other mangos are done. Last Spring was warm so there was little to no chill the month before it bloomed. It was a full bloom with a heavy crop. Late bloom is probably a good thing in areas that get frost.

Dwarf Hawaiian and Maha Chanok are almost in bloom for me in Cape Coral.
Looks like Edgar is just starting to push some buds that I think will be bloom.
Last time it started pushing this time of year, it just kept blooming off and on. I was eating Edgar from late April until early August.
 Anyone else have bloom yet? This will be the fourth time in 7 years that Maha has produced off season fruit. I have has Dec/Jan fruit and twice March/April in addition to the normal July main season.It likes to bloom when weather changes. We had a cool spell of a few nights in low 50s followed by a rain and that seemed to be enough. Oddly enough,when my Maha trees were young their first fruit were from off season bloom. Maybe this is why it keeps happening,does the tree remember it fruited successfully at that time of year? I remember a lot of hype about Chok Anon producing off season fruit, but Maha Chanok is doing it pretty regularly for me. Tastes better too....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Papayas without the vomit taste
« on: November 20, 2021, 02:36:45 PM »
Thanks for the tip, John
Ordered my seeds today,also got several others including Solo Sunrise.Seeds were very cheap, I think they ship internationally as well....
I bet you could grow some in a pit greenhouse in temperate zones if you really like papayas. Papayas eventually get tall, BUT if you top them at about 1-2 feet they will regrow with multiple trunks. A neighbor of mine cut one down to kill it and it started to grow 3 trunks.
I think I will also grow out a few seeds from the Red Lady anyway to see what I get from a selfed F2. 

Found a ripe bunch of Tall Orinoco AKA Burro bananas ripening if anyone nearby wants to try them. This clone seems better than a half dozen others I have tasted, sometimes has a faint strawberry aftertaste if eaten at right stage.

A couple years ago I bought a few Florigons that were outstanding.They have the potential to really impress but were average the other times I had them. The trees died both times I tried planting in my yard. Planted for the supposed disease resistance. ::) Culled by nature in my yard at least....

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Papayas without the vomit taste
« on: November 20, 2021, 07:39:23 AM »
I Finally found one, it was sold labeled as Red Lady. Since Papayas are grown from seed there can be variations even if they generally are true to type. Got lucky with this one.
I planted it at my Uncle's place in Cape Coral and it is loading up with fruit that are larger than the descriptions I have seen for that variety. Relatively low seed number, but it is an isolated plant. Very pleasant and sweet with less musk than a cantaloupe.  Some are a pound and a half and are seedless, others over 5 lbs with seeds. They must be very low in Papain. I am going to plant some seeds. Red Lady is supposed to be virus tolerant.
Any other varieties that are low in Papain? Does Tainung have funky flavor?

Local fruit I have enjoyed this past week:
Papaya,Avocado,Coconut, Starfruit,and the last few Barbados cherries of the year.
 I know there was a ripe jackfruit available a few days ago locally but I was working and couldn't get to it.
 Last year I had a few Maha Chanok mango in December and a few in January of this year. Also had off season fruit in March/April from Maha in previous years,but no off season fruit this year.
Praying hands Banana bunch ripening now if anyone locally wants to try the variety.

When I lived in the Charleston, SC area, Winter minimums were generally in the teens at least once or twice a year. One year, I tried extending the season for my tomatoes and peppers by covering with tarps when frost was expected. I had about 4-6 inches of mulch in the area a few feet from a brick wall.  We had only one hard freeze that Winter, the minimum at my yard was 26 in an area with good microclimate.  After that I thought they were all dead. I just left the tarps in place after that. When I pulled my tarps in Spring, one yellow Pear tomato plant and a couple Cubanelle peppers were still alive. I trimmed them back, propped the peppers upright,and they pushed new growth.  The yellow pear tomatoes were cut back and just allowed to sprawl as they were the previous year. It was very unusual to have a Winter minimum that warm. Tomatoes and Peppers MIGHT survive a single freeze to about 26 with some protection. They appeared dead after that, leaves and smaller branches were for sure but the main stems still had life in them staying covered the rest of Winter.

Fwang Tung fruit improve greatly as the tree matures. My Dad had a tree that made fruit from a young age, but it wasn't really good until the tree was about 5-6 years old. Don't give up on it too early if the first few crops are mediocre.
I had already pretty much given up on it,but grabbed one this Spring passing by the tree and was shocked by the improvement. I planted one in my yard this year.

My last 2 Little Gem mangos of the season disappeared last night. I think they were a week from being fully tree ripe. I was planning on sending them to a forum member but had some animal damage a few days ago. I decided to let them hang until they dropped. Something carried them off. Anyone still have mangos hanging in Florida?  Keitt is gone from all the trees I have seen locally.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Looking for Jonathan Apples
« on: August 23, 2021, 11:08:41 PM »
I would love to get some too.
That picture and description on Riveridge is NOT a true Jonathan. Jonathan is a small apple that is usually up to a third green in color.  I think their website is talking about Jonared, an inferior tasting offspring.
I would ship a box of tropical fruit in trade for the real thing in the future...
 Jonathan is the most mouth watering fruit I have ever tasted. Been close to 20 years since I have seen them at stores.

Get some finely powdered activated charcoal, make a slurry,and water it in. Repeat until trees are growing normally. 20 years ago I used this to save a new planting of several hundred apple trees that were suffering.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jackfruit varieties with least latex?
« on: August 12, 2021, 08:04:58 AM »
Riper fruit has less latex, but I found that putting a fruit in a cooler and covering it with ice to chill it prior to cutting greatly reduces latex bleed. Just work as quickly as possible to get the fruit halved while it is still cold,and then almost all of bleeding that does occur will be directly from the exposed core.

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