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Yes CRFG, but not actively attending meetings, get to know the older members and you will likely meet him. I imagine at his altitude/slope there's little if any chill.

I'll just say that I've never had apricots that compared to the seed grown ones, and there were multiple seedlings with similar fruit quality. There were four seedlings, two were fruiting that year, and both were similar and remarkable. He assured me there was little difference between the four, so not a fluke.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocados in a lemon growing area?
« on: February 18, 2024, 05:45:27 AM »
I am assuming it's not Meyer.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 16, 2024, 10:34:31 PM »
Thanks for the info! I am on the hunt for low chill varieties. I may have access to some but curious what you might have. Also looking for a variety of other low chill species including apples, prunus, Mulberry, persimmon, and Asian pear.

Where you are blight resistance should be the number one concern. I planted in Alabama: Shin Li, Dasui Li, Warren, and Potomac.

Of these Warren is the least vigorous and Potomac the most.

For Prunus I planted Florida Glo and Jefferson Green Gage, but I would also plant Inca Plum if available.

There should be no issues with any persimmon, but I'm partial to the pollination variant ones.

I didn't plant mulberries there, but I get plenty of them in SoCal. I will be planting them in WA when I get some, chill hours shouldn't be a consideration for these, but performance in wet weather should. I read somewhere in the Panhandle someone was getting fruit from Morus nigra by specially treating their tree, but I forget if it was by removing diseased leaves or by spraying. Most reports are that nigra is too difficult and instead efforts should be given towards alba and rubra types. My favorite by far of that group is the Frank's yellow, which appears synonymous with Aus green, White Shatoot, Sharahanpur Local, and others.

We got in excess of 600 Chill hours in AL, but I think you should be able to get the Asian pears to fruit, you may be able to get blooms out of Warren and Potomac, it's worth trying, scions are cheap and available online, I do have some spares if unable to locate.

Did you fruit Inca plum in Alabama? What did you use as a pollinator?

My tree I was going to take scions from was killed by gophers, so it never got grafted.
I think Inca is self-able, but if there's any question of pollination, Santa Rosa has a very long bloom cycle.

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If you can get Blenheim seeds, it's worth the gamble. A Spring Valley local planted a bunch out and all of the resulting seedlings yielded excellent fruit, best Apricots I've had.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:38:24 PM »
Try Sweet Tart, Venus, Kathy, and P-22. These all have the Parsnip flavor. I think Aussies might favor them highly. That said varieties like Edward and Karen Michelle are tropical tasting, but the resin is absent. I think these might also be well received.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: avocados in a lemon growing area?
« on: February 16, 2024, 08:34:23 PM »
Yes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: keitt mango taste
« on: February 15, 2024, 06:08:33 PM »
I assume this is in response to the resin component near the skin.

It seems there is a strong bias in the Aussie region against mangoes with any kind of resinous component towards the skin, what is commonly sought after in India and the Caribbean. There are many kinds of resin that you can find in mangoes, with the kind in Keitt likely being passed down from the Haden (which got it from turpentine). I'm not a fan of that resin either, but I do strongly favor other types of resin in mangoes like Kesar, Alphonse, and Julie. I actually love Keitt, but quality in commercially harvested ones varies so strongly due to cultivation and harvesting practices that I would recommend growing it yourself and harvesting a well grown and ripened fruit before judging.

On the topic of resin, many people stateside call Aussie mangoes resinous, judging the strong parsnip flavor near the skin as a chemical component, so taste preferences vary greatly with region. Mangoes like Bowen and Maha would fall under this group.

That same resin you dislike is present in the mango favored in South Florida (CAC or COC), and it also has the parsnip flavor, so you will find people on both sides of the pacific who dislike this one as well based on resin.

Very few of the American ones are descended from Keitt with a few notable exceptions, but many American mangoes do contain a resin component Aussies will dislike. That said I've tasted quite a few of the newer selections, and I don't taste it in any of the newer ones like M4 or Cotton Candy (both Keitt seedlings), nor do I taste it in any of the Kent descendants.

Kent has a resinous component from Haden, but it isn't anything like the one in Tommy or Keitt.

Try getting a hold of the Guava or Sein Ta Lone mango if you can, it has an altogether different resin, but it's got a lot more going on and is fantastic (poly too).

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Small amounts of rootstock seeds are a challenge, especially from a foreign country.

The 812 is available from commercial nurseries in FL, but I was only able to obtain grafted trees. My grafted portions all died due to frost and this year was a very cold year, so the rootstock may have died. If it survives, I should be able to get seeds in a few years.

Large quantities of seed are available for research purposes, but there are some agreements you would have to sign to obtain them, and I highly doubt they would be shared outside the US due to the low enforce-ability of international agreements.

If you want to buy grafted trees and deal with the challenge of importation from FL then this is possible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 14, 2024, 03:49:33 AM »
Bovine, good job.  I too learned so much here.

1 holdout (Maha) yet to fruit planted 2-3yrs ago & i cut in half to branch out. 
Never tasted a Maha. 





It's a nice balance between indochinese and classic. I describe it as a parsnip and durio combo.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Why cant i get mango seeds to germinate!?
« on: February 11, 2024, 12:46:47 PM »
Whats the temperature and humidity in the “room” where you are trying to germinate mango.
They are tropical so want warm air.
If you have like 30C with atleast 80% humidity it will germinate fast if the embry is still alive.

Maybe you got bad seeds that got damaged by seed borers.
We are exceptionally lucky in the US, the borer hasn't made it yet.
Even heat treated seeds will grow, the problem is fruit that have been refrigerated either in transport or in storage. They won't germinate once refrigerated.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 08, 2024, 12:57:04 PM »
Thanks for the info! I am on the hunt for low chill varieties. I may have access to some but curious what you might have. Also looking for a variety of other low chill species including apples, prunus, Mulberry, persimmon, and Asian pear.

Where you are blight resistance should be the number one concern. I planted in Alabama: Shin Li, Dasui Li, Warren, and Potomac.

Of these Warren is the least vigorous and Potomac the most.

For Prunus I planted Florida Glo and Jefferson Green Gage, but I would also plant Inca Plum if available.

There should be no issues with any persimmon, but I'm partial to the pollination variant ones.

I didn't plant mulberries there, but I get plenty of them in SoCal. I will be planting them in WA when I get some, chill hours shouldn't be a consideration for these, but performance in wet weather should. I read somewhere in the Panhandle someone was getting fruit from Morus nigra by specially treating their tree, but I forget if it was by removing diseased leaves or by spraying. Most reports are that nigra is too difficult and instead efforts should be given towards alba and rubra types. My favorite by far of that group is the Frank's yellow, which appears synonymous with Aus green, White Shatoot, Sharahanpur Local, and others.

We got in excess of 600 Chill hours in AL, but I think you should be able to get the Asian pears to fruit, you may be able to get blooms out of Warren and Potomac, it's worth trying, scions are cheap and available online, I do have some spares if unable to locate.

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I re-read the thread and wanted to revisit a post from page 2.

Has anyone actually had a PPK seed that was Poly? Gary was only using Mono seed for his project, and he definitely used PPK to select OS and LZ. I certainly see the Gary influence in OS, but not LZ.

Last year I opened 6 PPK husks, all were single large embryos.

I opened many Gary husks, all were poly. Given the number of offspring from Gary's project that produce poly seed and have Gary character (OS, O2, E4, M4, CC (both), and others), it's not like it was an unexpected result.

These results lead me even further down the road of Gary's reported parentage is incorrect. The Pettigrew, sure, but there's a poly parent in there.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting pears
« on: February 07, 2024, 05:11:59 PM »
If scions are dormant, it's super easy. I have some scions of low chill varieties, what were you looking for?

If you want to use the already leafed out scions, it's much more challenging, but as long as the rootstock is pushing hard, you still may get good results. Try using a plastic bag and moist paper towel inside it to keep the humidity high, as the non-hardened off growth will dry out quickly while the graft is healing. Also make sure to cover that bag in foil or newspaper to prevent the light from frying the tender growth.

Best bet is to get dormant scions however.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Would 0-46-0 help mango bloom?
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:55:17 PM »
Phosphorous won't help in this case. O2 has been known to bloom poorly where it doesn't get cool.

For mangoes it seems the main stimuli for blooming is cold, then dry soil, then potassium application. Alex posted about which groups each variety falls into, and O2 was in the needs lots of cold group, which is perfect for SoCal growers, especially given the high fruit quality and poly seeds. Not so good in the warmer locations of Florida.

I was shown last year you actually can eat young mango stems. I thought the tips of OE tasted pretty good actually, but if you're sensitive to plants in this family, don't attempt.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Need Help to ID This Cherimoya again
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:50:26 PM »
It's impressa type as you've noted, it could be Fino De Jete, but there are a number of popular impressa type cherimoyas around.

If you prune to create a denser canopy (opposite of what you do for prunus), you may have a higher incidence of self pollination. The key is to keep the humidity high so the female part of the flower doesn't dry out before the pollen is ready. You can spray the canopy with a hose or use foggers on a timer as well to try to increase the humidity.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 60 Lbs of KNO3
« on: February 07, 2024, 04:43:53 PM »
It's extremely soluble in water, so if you're not applying it fertigation style it won't last, it's gone almost as soon as it's applied, so don't apply any significant quantity, as the excess will leech out/pollute.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2024 FL Mango Season
« on: February 05, 2024, 08:46:04 PM »
Peach Cobbler- making mostly leaves not flowers.  Will be my 1st tasting though so i'm looking forward to it :) 

shot, cool. 




I love watching the reaction of people who try the Peach Cobbler mango for the first time.  Hope you get fruit.
It's an impressive fruit for sure, I'm curious how much better it will taste in SoCal. High vigor and poly seeds, so it's an ideal choice for SoCal.

I hope it gets a more appropriate name soon.

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Has anyone looked at the seed of P-22?

Looking for a superior poly seeded indochinese flavored mango with very low acid and highly creamy texture.

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Super late season fruit and no red blush. I'm interested if it's any good.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Careful from sellers from. Sri Lanka
« on: January 30, 2024, 04:49:14 PM »
Variegation is not an inherited trait.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Persian Mulberry Fruits - in SoCal
« on: January 29, 2024, 07:00:49 PM »
No, that's a morus alba.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Indochinese mangoes
« on: January 25, 2024, 12:50:00 PM »
I'm bumping this up.

After tasting many, many mangoes last year, I decided that ZINC was one of the best. Unfortunately it's a mono type fruit.

The so called ZINC clone P22 is one that I also found to be quite similar, but I've never seen the seed on one to be able to determine if it is Poly.

I'm looking to grow a poly type ZINC clone, but since there isn't much info out there about P22's seed, I'm now considering Cambodiana.

How far off from ZINC is Cambodiana?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Passion Fruit germination tips?
« on: January 25, 2024, 12:04:36 PM »
Extreme levels of patience.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Orton Cherimoya
« on: January 25, 2024, 12:00:36 PM »
I always reserve judgement on cherimoyas, they can vary widely in quality year to year and location to location, and there's always taste preference as well, which varies with the taster. There was a time when there were cherimoya tastings in Irvine at the university grove, and it was amazing how much the flavors of each variety varied from year to year. I never ranked Pierce highly at those tastings for instance.

I would graft whatever you can get your hands on and try them over a few seasons before deciding what limbs to remove, but you really should have a sizeable tree to commit the space.

If cherimoyas are not defoliating, I'd stick with those unless you have a preference for sugar apple type textures and acidity. I really like some of the 3/4 moyas like Leo 3 and LH Late. They can have excellent acidity like a raspberry, and a chewy segmenting texture like a jackfruit. Their party trick is that they are very late season fruit which ripen well after the rest of the tree has been picked. The downside is that since they hang until much later, they are subject to more pest pressure once the rest of the fruit trees have finished fruiting, so you have to dedicate a little more time to protect them.

My Nata fruited for the first time last year, it set fruit pretty late, and ripened up with the atemoya types and was a normal cherimoya for first year fruiting. My Orton grafts keep getting tore off by raccoons no matter where I graft them on the tree.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB Mango Seed
« on: January 24, 2024, 02:01:31 AM »
Mango season isn't here yet. But I figured I'd bump up this thread as I'm still on the hunt.

The current list looks like this:
Mesk
USDA Taymour
Giselle
Creme Brulee
E4
M4

I'd be having the fruit/seed shipped to a state where it's accepted, and I'm more or less trying to get people who have these trees to just know there's demand if/when they get fruit this year.

Thank you for reading.

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