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Do you sell scions for these varieties?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Should I thin white sapote fruits?
« on: July 19, 2023, 11:25:02 PM »
I eat them when the thin skin starts to wrinkle. Or when they slightly give to the touch like a pear or avocado. Three years is a rule for me as well. They usually don't have the roots or canopy to give fruit full flavor until then.

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Exciting!  I'd be interested in the following:

2. Cuccio
4. Nettie

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Some named / some PC.  I just started collecting this year so they are just now taking off due to the heat.

This place has some cool cuts and seedlings. https://www.takaracactus.com/shop

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I just started growing Trichocereus. I have a bridgesii and a couple pachs.  I don't think the bridgesii is a fan of humidity. It gets black spots sometimes.

Here is an older thread talking about the fruit: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=15786.0#:~:text=Trichocereus%20sp.,most%20cactus%20fruit%20is%20edible.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Fresno Underground Home and Orchard
« on: June 15, 2023, 09:11:44 AM »
I came across this video documentary about a Sicilian immigrant built an underground orchard to protect citrus and other trees from frost and extreme heat. This was back in the early 1900s so it's pretty cool to see the trees still healthy and growing. He even built an underground fish pond. Has anyone visited this place?  If I ever make it back to CA, I'd love to visit.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUKRPoQKynk&ab_channel=KirstenDirksen

Wiki: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forestiere_Underground_Gardens

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For anyone who enjoys videos of traveling and trying the super weird, I recommend the channel "All The Fruit" on youtube. I have no idea what the guy does for a job but he travels to some remote places and finds some rare stuff.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPzuOsoGuuc&ab_channel=Allthefruit

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introducing mangos to babies?
« on: June 09, 2023, 10:41:27 PM »
There is a study I found a couple of years ago that said if they encounter poison ivy before mango, than the chances of them having a reaction to mango was higher. If they are introduced to mango first then they don't get that reaction. Being from MI, I was the poison ivy first scenario and wouldn't recommend. My sensitivity has gone down the more I eat them but as I understand it, it could have easily gone the other way.   

Edit: here is the study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/15701120/

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Your favorite oddity zone 8 fruit
« on: May 31, 2023, 01:13:43 PM »
Loquats are really easy to grow.  I only wish the season was longer. Prickly pear are pretty cool. Very easy to start from cuttings. They survive some frost, mine survived 20F unprotected this past winter. You can use the young pads as a veggie and use the fruit for preserves or juice. Fruitwood nursery has a ton of interesting varieties.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you airlayer a cactus?
« on: May 30, 2023, 12:23:10 PM »
I think you could on a dragon fruit or prickly pear. if you put the growing medium at the node or section. One thing that could make it difficult is rotting if the conditions aren't right. Why do you want to airlayer? Most grow very easily from cuttings.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding Land in South FL
« on: May 30, 2023, 08:37:24 AM »
I think your best bet would be finding a lot next to someone you already know. Maybe they want to expand too? They could help keep an eye on things and they would already know the neighborhood. Buy land with at least water and electric hooked up so if your family wants to buy an RV they can drop it and stay on the lot when you visit. You could probably find a cheap place to store it outside of town so they wouldn't have to tow it all the way back and forth. I don't think I'd just leave it on the lot because it's asking for a break in. Pay for storage and it's their problem to keep it safe.  Finally, I'd get a property manager. This may be over the top since you are not really renting out a house or anything but they do check on properties of all types. They could check on any irrigation you have set up. It's not that different than having them check on sprinklers for lawns but who knows, they might give you a hard time if its too complicated. I would not grow expensive grafted varieties. Just seedlings until you can be down full time. With seedlings at least it doesn't matter as much and they are hardier anyway. Plus you can graft on to them later.  My opinion for whatever its worth (not much) is to be very strategic about buying. Find the right area, then find the right people to help.  The hardest part will be keeping people away. There isn't much respect for other peoples land. They know mango, banana, avocado and probably jackfruit trees. If they know how much an older Jabo is worth, its a goner. Maybe if you just planted the weird stuff? LOL.  I think coconuts would be okay

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding Land in South FL
« on: May 29, 2023, 07:40:26 PM »
A vacant lot with fruit trees? Yeah, I'm pretty sure you are going to have issues. All it takes is for 1 person to find it. You have heard of how many people have issues with thieves stealing fruit from yards right? It's not just a few ripe ones here and there. They strip the tree and sell the fruit sometimes breaking branches in the process. I wouldn't buy a lot unless you plan on physically being there 75% of the time. You'd need to have a well or be on city water to irrigate. I know some people get the idea that it rains a lot here and it does certain times of the year but we also have long dry spells too. Most trees need some help the first few years they are in the ground especially if they aren't native.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sapodilla tree won't grow
« on: March 31, 2023, 02:31:03 PM »
I had this happen to me. I purchased one 2 years ago from Sow Exotic and it came with 5 leaves. I thought it would die but it held on. Lost 3 leaves in the winter and then sprouted 5 leaves the following year. No branches, just 5 small leaves so I gave it a "motivational" pep talk. This year it has added leaves and branches!  Show it the dead plants in the compost pile, fed it, then let it be for another year.  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Best native type persimmon
« on: March 28, 2023, 08:35:40 AM »
Cricket Hill Nursery is where I purchased my 100-46 persimmon. I'd put your name down on the waiting list and it will probably be available again in the fall. They offer other American persimmons like Prok and Meader too. I've been really happy with this nursery. They have a nice selection of mulberries as well.

https://www.treepeony.com/collections/fruits-and-berries-for-shipping/genus_diospyros?sort_by=manual

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sea weed
« on: March 22, 2023, 08:42:01 AM »
I thought about doing the same last year. I guess I'll pass lol.  Here is an article talking about the heavy metals https://dcnanature.org/sargassum-fertilizer/

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Girthy Grimals.... :D I almost had coffee come out my nose.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Campbell White Sapote
« on: February 27, 2023, 07:17:14 PM »
It is a new variety and I have yet to hear about anyone actually trying it. It might be a while before someone does so for now it's just a bunch of overblown hype.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 10, 2023, 08:29:14 AM »
Mulching in a hole that's going to be soggy is asking for problems. It will break down and can lead to rot issues. Just ask my avocado. It came in a mulch mix that I didn't swap out before planting. It died slowly over 4 months because the wood mulch would absorb and hold every drop of rain. Inorganic would be the better way to go. I mound with sand.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Is my white sapote sick?
« on: January 09, 2023, 05:40:49 PM »
It does look fungal. I'd try to move them up on small mounds in the spring. I don't think I'd do much until then besides spraying with copper.  Hopefully someone can ID the issue better than I.

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I think you could do lemons like that or maybe kumquat. Not avocado. They sunburn so easily, I doubt it would survive very long at all.

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Here are some pics of the candle heaters. I they are glass encased and are supposed to last 7 days but with the cheap wax they use, it's more like 3 or 4. You can pick them up for $1 at Walmart. The clay pot is a 6 inch pot. They said it can stand high heat and they were right. I buried it so there was about 2 inches of glass above ground. I put cement garden borders around it to hold up the candle and allow airflow but any stable rock will do.  It is limited to heating small spaces so maybe just 3 - 4 feet around it. Good if you have a tree under frost cloth and need to protect the trunk and inner canopy. If paired with the mylar it has a good chance of keeping that heat trapped for longer periods.  I'd say test it out on a cooler night with a thermometer and tweek it a bit to work in your location. I heard some people use double pots to add to the heat capture and I don't know if the size of the pot matters or not. The heat is limited by the candle so 2 or 3 candles in the hole with a bigger pot??? Who knows?









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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Online Vendor - Restoring Eden Opinions
« on: December 30, 2022, 10:30:46 AM »
I ordered some feijoa and jujube from them this year. Healthy trees and no issues shipping across country. I agree with Carolyn, about the same as One Green World. A little cheaper but shipping is a bit more so it evens out. Plants are the same size as well. I really like the varieties they have.

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Pensacola area hit 24F, 20F, 26F, 26F. My greenhouses did great!

First tent - I have a 12 X 8 with mangos (Carrie and Pickering), avocado and lychee. I had two candle heaters and Christmas lights for the first two nights, got scared and bought a small propane heater for the other two nights. That was the largest tent and the hardest to heat. Only damage was to the lychee with some new growth burned next to the plastic wall.

Second - My BQ longan only has a slight burn but just had a frost cloth pop-up tent, tarp, and a candle heater. Top foliage is was new growth so it got burned but the lower parts are fine. This will be it's second year.

Third - Tent had a tangerine, lemon, acerola, and mango seedling... all made it with only a some burnt leaves on the acerola and lemon from touching the plastic. This tent was a pop up canopy with painter's plastic hanging down and clipped to the frame. Mylar emergency blankets lined the inside roof and sides. It was only popped up half way because the trees are small and I wouldn't have to heat as much. Candle heaters were the only heat source.

I did loose a lychee that was only covered with a blanket and tarp, but I forgot about it the first night so I knew that was coming. The candle heaters (glass encased 7 day prayer candle(?) partially buried with a clay pot on top) worked better than expected. They are good for small spaces which cannot be supported with Christmas lights.
It all seems like a lot of work but honestly it's pretty amazing what you can do to in these situations. I had fun experimenting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Some of my cold protection prep
« on: December 23, 2022, 09:08:27 PM »
I'm right there with you.  I have the greenhouses up. I'm trying some candle / clay pot heaters and so far it is keeping the temp steady. I also invested in mylar emergency blankets and lined the inside of the greenhouses. It says they retain 90 percent of body heat so just maybe they will help hold in the heat from lights and the candles. I read somewhere they also use them for indoor grow tents too. I'm not trying to keep it above freezing but more like slowing the temp drop enough until the sun can heat up the tents again.

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22F  :'(   anxiety has fully morphed into frenzied planning operations.  Mylar blankets, shelter frames, cheap greenhouses plans for candle heaters, propane heaters, the works. Most of my stuff is in pots and will be safe in the garage. I did plant some in ground as an experiment, fully prepared to take a loss but I want to see what a difference some of these methods make. Should be fun.

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