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My latest batch of seeds came in and everything looked great! Top notch seller! Thanks Marcos

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Pm sent

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How did you get the fruit?

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I'm no millionaire, dont insult me 😆 🤣 😂 I sweat like 6-600 shirts a day in the summer for these bill/taxes.

You already own your property. Buying it now you have to be rich.

Your best bet would be to buy an empty lot that is "scrub jay". It's going to be dirt cheap, because you can't build on it without paying through the nose. The property must be kept wilderness to preserve the bird. You could still plant a garden on it so long as you left it in a relatively wild state. I don't think you are supposed to chop down any large oaks. Theoretically it should stay pretty desolate as scrub land is mostly sand dunes and grass with a few trees on it. The bird needs the open grassy area.

You could camp on the land and plant some mango trees or whatever it is you want. I bought a lot online trying to do this and it had no road, just dirt trails and the neighbor attacking me and chasing me off my own property (which he did to everyone who bought property there) and the police wouldn't help me. So beware of those type of scams too.

I just feel it isn't worth the huge expense. You can just grow stuff in pots or use a greenhouse. If you buy land in the Florida panhandle or southern Alabama or something and build a cheap greenhouse- it's only going to get cold a handful of days out of the year. Most of the time you could just open the green house up.

Yeah I have 10 acres west of gainesville in Trenton,  FL. We bought in 2014 for 135k, and that's with the 3 bed 2.5 bath house.  Even though it's my dream to be able to grow all these sub-tropicals outside, right now and for the foreseeable future just building a greenhouse makes the most sense.

I'm actually constructing my first greenhouse now and will look into the NRCS program if I want more....ahh I guess the tropical dream will have to wait !

I do appreciate everyone's input!

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Knowing everything you've learned, where in florida would you live in order to grow sub-tropical fruits without covering for cold.  So take into account soil, hurricane damage, water etc. I just want to grow jabos, mangoes, eugenias and such without a greenhouse. And I don't want to live in a big city. The country is great.

I am a 5th gen Floridian and have lived from Land O Lakes in Pasco County, to Placida in Charlotte County. To your question I would suggest that a great location would be east/northeast of Punta Gorda, east of 17 rural and quiet, homesite acreage available.

I will def have to scout this area!

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I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded.  Even Homestead is very crowded.  Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well.  The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing. 

Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms?  Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.

I wouldn't even consider Miami just bc how busy it is there.

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Why do you say quality of life is no good? Seems like lots of good food can be grown, excellent recreation , multi cultural society. What is not to like?
If it's not very busy, your'e in the sticks and not much of anything happening surrounded by all the same ol same ol.


I live in Miami near Homestead and the whole Miami area is very crowded.  Even Homestead is very crowded.  Yes there are farms/fields/groves, but it's still a very busy area and the city area of Homestead is very busy as well.  The quality of life here isn't good but the weather is amazing. 

Jaboticaba, I know last year was horrible but overall is Miami/Homestead still too far south to get good mango blooms?  Summer 2021 was still a great year for mangoes, I had many Glenn & Pickering mangoes.

No matter where someone lives there are losers and fantastic people.  I could easily fit in within an urban environment.  I love people and their stories, the different food but I've spent a lot of time in big cities and now having lived out in the country,  west of gainesville,  I can't go back to how busy a city is.  I love the slower pace.  To be abbot 45 minutes away away from a good size city is about perfect for me.

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South Floridians have their challenges maybe not as Extreme as The Californians but I would say invasive species fungal resistance aging infrastructure and lots of people. Other than where I live I find the Lake Wales ridge area to be beautiful. Higher elevation possibly less Frost

Honestly there are challenges to growing anywhere. I just want to not deal with the challenge of cold.

I'll have to research the Lakes Wales Ridge, I've not heard of that before.

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Surest way to avoid the worst impacts of a hurricane is to not be near the coast, waterways connected to the coast, in a trailer, or in the midst of a bunch of tall trees.

Mangoes are probably the most cold sensitive of the fruits listed. How far north are people growing without cold troubles, and what varieties fare best?

I liked Merritt Island and the surrounding area when living in Melbourne for a few years. Good surf, great restaurants, and beautiful ecosystems. Vero may have some cool areas to grow, more inland. Will ask my friends near Okeechobee and Clewiston how the fruit trees are holding up and producing. West Palm Beach area or a little north of there might be worth looking at.

Down here in the burbs south of Miami, only cold protection needed is for small seedlings so far. But the most tropical plant I grow is g. mangostana (and just added breadfruit). But, lots of mangoes and lychees are appearing to flower and fruit less over the years. When you do pick your spot, pick some mangoes wisely based upon how far north or south you are, and also zone push your favs.

Homestead and the Redlands are agricultural areas south of Miami.

Hialeah has great soil, at least at my mother in law's. Digging a hole for her reticulate was like spooning butter.

I agree with avoiding the coasts and that was my plan,  but Hialeah seems to close to Miami.  No offense but I want nothing to do with that place.

I'll have to do more research on Homestead but I thought the soils were high alkaline.

But looking at a map last night I kept focusing on clewiston so I'll do my research there as well.  Seems like a good spot if I could get closer to the lake


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I've been basically everywhere in the state. If I could move down there my dream place would be somewhere near WPB give or take 50 miles north or south and inland a bit more cause it's too expensive. Warm enough to escape hard frosts. Greenhouse is such a limiting factor lol. Another place I'd consider is Pine Island...but then they just got decimated by the hurricane so maybe not. Homestead is too far south now and I hear people saying it's hard to get good blooms on mangoes now but that place is so beautiful. Or maybe I could find a place even more inland but exploit a microclimate like lake okeechobee. Who knows. It really depends on microclimate.

Yeah Loxahatchee is inland from West Palm Beach Beach and I know a good amount of growers there that are killing it with all kinds of fruit, especially mangoes.  Still really expensive there too. And i agree trying to find a microclimate but that's something you'll probably only find by personally exploring or knowing someone in that specific area.

Yeah Pine Island is a hard no lol I couldn't stomach that level of destruction. And  doesn't homestead have high alkaline soil?

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Meritt Island is a good option. It is further north to encourage cooler temps for a good bloom, but the water all around moderates the lows from what I hear. It would not be a country setting. If you want country, you might have a look around the south side of lake Okeechobee. They used to say that to get any effect you had to be able to see the water. That land is pretty jealously guarded, though, I think. Maybe some other people have more recommendations?

Just looking at a map it seems Merrit Island would be expensive but the south side of Okeechobee are where my thoughts keep drifting.

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Nothing is wrong with a greenhouse but all things being equal id rather grow in a climate where I didn't need one.

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Knowing everything you've learned, where in florida would you live in order to grow sub-tropical fruits without covering for cold.  So take into account soil, hurricane damage, water etc. I just want to grow jabos, mangoes, eugenias and such without a greenhouse. And I don't want to live in a big city. The country is great.

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Do they come true from seeds? I bought seeds and 2 actually germinated and grow well.
Ana

How long did they take to germ?

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It's all relative. There was Eugenia seeds going for $350 a seed 2 years ago that are now $5 a seed.



In 2 years, grafted Yangmei plants will start tanking too as supply increases from the literal 1,000 grafted tree's imported over the lest year.
It's pretty good fruit.
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Geez! Last I looked today that was at $500! Is the fruit that good?

Yeah, I'm not hating. This is a natural process for anything new in a market with eager buyers.  Just kind of amazing to watch. I look forward to trying the fruit one day.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Variegated Paulista auction live
« on: January 19, 2023, 06:53:26 AM »
What happened to the auction?

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Geez! Last I looked today that was at $500! Is the fruit that good?

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Have you planted any of those outside where you're at?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Che tree cuttings
« on: January 17, 2023, 10:35:31 AM »
Anybody have male scion wood available?

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Iceman, I bought my seeds through the website greenplanetfarm.com
I wanted to know if he would sell a grafted plant so I get the 100% identical variety.

Curious about that too

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Lol!  Got me again. But I'm plant rich.  That's what I keep telling myself.

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Are the grafted garnets from the same photos you just posted?

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Looking to buy a shippable sized blue Velvet jabo.

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Do you have any grafted plants available?

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Variegated Paulista Jabo Raffle
« on: January 11, 2023, 01:32:28 PM »
The last 2 sold for over $700 + shipping, and were smaller trees... am I wrong for following the market prices? The winner can take this and auction it, make a bunch of profit or keep for their collections. If the spots don't fill I will post for auction, I just figured people may appreciate a much cheaper option to obtain one of these trees

So are. You saying if all of the spots do not fill you will instead auction this plant? And if so will you be refunding the raffle entries?

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