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I have mamoncillo, chenna, sri gudang, nam cem in the ground that took 40 without leaf damage or set back. They are growing in the best soil, get irrigation, routine manure applications, etc... Meanwhile bilimbi froze to the ground, but wasn't getting irrigated. It eventually came back.

Species in pots did generally worse. Severe leaf damage but had some % survival rate: Theobromo bicolor 50%, cacao, coloc 80%, marang 50%,  cambuca, malay apple. I had no issues with any of the 15-20 abiu seedlings in pots. Species that had 100% death rate: Theobromo grandiflorum, artocarpus sericarpus

There is something to be said about cultural practices. One of the big reasons I decided to grow in a way that maximizes soil fungal populations are the studies documenting mycorrhizal fungi associations and cold tolerance benefits.

Looking for a few pencil size scions. Preferably from a mature fruiting tree.
I have two fruit trees with plenty pencil size. Let me know how many you would like. I can do $6 each.

I have a similar mix of hardwood hammock upland, swampier wetlands, and in between but it's all sandy soils. I think this was hinted at, but you need organic carbon in the soil, especially to maintain trees in sandy soil without irrigation. Sandy soil is naturally nutrient poor, and it's not going to support much on it's own especially if it's been degraded with mowing and chemicals. You can apply all the chemicals you want, but it's no where near as good for long term low maintenance soil/plant health as an organic approach that prioritizes increasing soil organic carbon. Pioneer species, fruiting or not, that will start putting roots/root exudates and soil organic carbon in the soil is the easiest way. I increased my soil organic carbon by 25%, as verified by soil test, in 18 months, just letting the weeds grow and not mowing. Trees do just fine growing in weeds, it's how they evolved. The whole "competing vegetation" is a myth in my opinion. Soil only being able to handle low volume of species is a symptom of poor soil health. Just like higher quality veg garden soil supports closer spacings.

I've started using organically chelated micros to manage some nutrient deficiencies, but increasing soil organic carbon to hold water/nutrients and get biology started is the first step. Planting out your acreage is a massive undertaking, not sure if you want to do things commercially, but if this is just for you, I would look at concentrating all your inputs into a smaller area. Planting trees/plants near each other food forest style is going to be a quicker way to establish trees and provide a microclimate for marginal species you are pushing the zone with. I wouldn't give up on mangos. Seed grown, planted in multispecies protected setting, that you later topwork will give you the best chance. Best of luck

Whats the taste like on these?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Sweet uvaia for reservations
« on: July 10, 2023, 08:11:18 PM »
Hi there, I've had some trouble growing this species, any tips on growing this. I'm thinking I overwater, but any insights into it's native conditions may help.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Plinia inflata seeds
« on: July 10, 2023, 10:52:58 AM »
Last call on these, about to plant

That Syzygium is beautiful, have you tried the fruit?

Yea it's stunning, I haven't tried the fruit yet. You can eat the young purple leaves raw but haven't tried that either.

Plinia rivularis - This is the red variety. 3 gallon about 2 years old. A long weeping form that is different from the other specimen I have.

Eugenia aff involucrata 'orange'
Read more here:

Eugenia itaguahiensis - Dwarf Grumichama

Pouteria sp Abiu Amarella Doce Muido - from bellamy

Eugenia spp Pitang„o Amarelo da Unicamp - This has a very low spreading form. From bellamy

Syzygium polycephalum - This is less than 6 months, a very fast grower for me.

Eugenia spp de goiania

Lucs Garcinia var Pumpkin

Coloc (talisia floresii) - About 1.5 years, I have 3 avaliable

Plinia sp "Giant"

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Anyone post plants on instagram?
« on: June 30, 2023, 11:17:36 AM »
I followed all yalll!


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: New fruit, Talisia Floresii
« on: June 30, 2023, 09:44:44 AM »
Anyone still growing this one? Mine are about 2 years old. They defoliated at 39F, but 5 of 6 came back strong and are looking healthy. I have extra's if anyone is interested. Has anyone flowered this yet?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Plinia inflata seeds
« on: June 27, 2023, 10:49:49 AM »
About to plant these, please let me know if interested

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can you grow Marang in Florida?
« on: June 25, 2023, 07:18:33 AM »
I see a lot of you have some years old Pedalai, Marang, Keledang etc in ground in FLORIDA! and ready to flower, but some photos will really help and motivate, not that i don't believe you!-) Sadly my Hawaiian Pedalai died at 10ft tall this past winter at about 40F. Trying a Marang now also from HI, 4 ft tall still in pot..
Breadfruit is 20ft tall and been producing, Kwai Muk also 20ft tall and fruiting now for the first time after 7 years of being in the ground, excited to try it out.
I agree, would love to see some pictures. I lost all my A. sericarpus in the 39F last year, but 3 marang survived (out of about 100 seedlings) and are pushing new growth after being planted. I have them planted under some protection of a larger banyan tree right near overhead irrigation.

Anyone with older A. sericarpus or odorissimus that can withstand some cold mind sharing some scions? Would hate to lose those genetics for whatever reason.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Plinia inflata seeds
« on: June 22, 2023, 06:29:44 PM »
What do the fruits taste like? Thanks in advance...

These were imported, so I haven't tried fruit.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Plinia inflata seeds
« on: June 22, 2023, 07:27:35 AM »
I have a very fresh batch of regular mulchi seeds (Plinia inflata) they are $3 each + shipping.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Introducing mangos to babies?
« on: June 09, 2023, 08:38:23 PM »
Most people are allergic to the sap, and its genetic. I'm mildly allergic to skin and sap, so i just have to be careful when I eat them. For my girl, i just rubbed a small amount of mango puree on the sensitive underside of her arm, waited for a while, didn't see anything so fed her a small amount of puree. She handled it fine and now Im perfectly comfortable giving he any amount of puree.

If you want to go ham, there is this...

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Finding Land in South FL
« on: June 01, 2023, 09:11:43 PM »
Property in coastal Florida relative to inland has it's downfalls as well. Of course there is price, but hurricane decay means the wind speeds aren't nearly as great inland as they are closer to coast. This is a good site explaining it..

Considering the east coast of south Florida hasn't experienced a direct hit from a severe hurricane since Andrew in '92, and the next one could wipe out many east of I95, and the growing conditions are really only marginally better relative to inland, you couldn't pay me to buy land near the coast, I'll stick to the swampy inlands. Sure, I would have to spray fungicides to grow some mangos and it's not worth it, but almost every other fruit tree does just fine and I have 5 acres to play with.

As for flooding, elevation is less important than having a place to drain your property after a flood. For example, you can have an area with higher average elevation, but it will stay wet for two weeks because of proximity to a drainage canal, compared to another property that is lower in elevation but you have a 4 inch trash pump, site drainage plan, and an adjacent nearby drainage canal and you're dry in a two days.

You want to buy land in sfl? Focus on your finances, forget the "side hustle", chose a real career path (engineer, doctor, lawyer,etc) and prepare to make major sacrifices.

Option 2, if you can stomach leaving your tribe, I never could, is South or Central America.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: ISO Guava seedlings
« on: May 27, 2023, 07:02:20 PM »
Hi Joe,

I have three. I got the seeds from Huertas. Let me know if you want.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Sea weed
« on: May 24, 2023, 08:30:45 PM »
According to this study the vegetables grown in sargassum compost had significantly higher arsenic and cadmium. It's typically the inorganic arsenic that has the worst effects on human health, there was not mention of the specific form of arsenic, just total concentrations.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pitomba (Talisia esculenta)
« on: May 22, 2023, 08:47:42 PM »
I've been growing a couple seedlings for about 2 years now. They seem to not like higher pH, both get chelated iron treatments from time to time. I have them in shade. There is a fruiting specimen down in the Florida keys (Grimal Grove), and even after Adolf passed away in 1995, the tree survived 15 years of neglect and is still fruiting and looking healthy, so can survive annual dry period once established.

Here in Florida you can find them naturally growing in muck, sand, limerock, but regardless of soil type it will always spend some portion of the year either submerged in a few inches of water or very wet feet. I have other annona species grafted on A. glabra, but never worry about keeping them submerged, just watered like any regular Annona.

Between sunday night and monday, we got dumped on out here in Loxahatchee. The forecast says plenty more on the way so I took the day off work to plant trees.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Crunchy Jackfruits 2023
« on: February 13, 2023, 08:32:11 AM »
I've been eyeing banana crunch on the lara farms website. Cannot find very much info on it.  Anyone know anything about that variety?

According to one of his vids its a hybrid from fairchild gardens

MameyDisco, Are you getting my PM's I sent cash, but no response...?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Noble Juicy Crunch Tangerine
« on: January 18, 2023, 03:46:27 AM »

Florida-grown.  Our citrus industry needs this shot in the arm.  Let's save agriculture from subdivisions!
Florida citrus is a disaster because of our cultural practices, mainly chemical farming.. nothing to do with subdivisions. if anything the growth in subdivisions has increased farmer's land values giving them access to additional equity and cash through refinancing.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold tolerant Annonas
« on: January 16, 2023, 08:38:37 PM »

My A. spinescens is holding up on par with my A. montana and A. cherimola.
I second this on A. spinescens, also my illamas and atemoyas are ok. I only got to 39F this year so far..

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