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Looking for a rare pine tree

Hoping maybe one of our brazilian or argentinian friends can find some seeds for me

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB Butia capitata (odorata)
« on: July 31, 2023, 09:30:34 PM »
Largest plant that is shippable for cheapest if possible

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Bad Seeds Podcast
« on: April 26, 2023, 10:48:31 PM »
Anyone listening to this?

Seems to be of interest to this group- so far it has focused on over collection of rare cacti but wouldn't be surprised if they talk about other kinds of plant collecting soon

Hey all-

I have 2 extra Asimina campechianus seedlings for sale

$40 each plus shipping or 70 for the both

Hey All-

Trimming this bush as well-

Hasn't flowered yet but should soon as it is approaching 4 years old-

They are small- ~1/16 of an inch but a skilled grafter should be able to pull it off-

6 cuttings for $40 plus shipping

Hey All-

Trimming up my Barbados Cherry bush and thought I would offer some of this rare variety from FFF

I have 3 cuttings-

$10 each plus shipping-

You can also root them from cuttings

Hey All-

I have 4-5 well rooted Linda Pomegranate Cuttings for Sale

$20 per plant, discounts for multiple

Shipping for 1-2 plants $18

Here is a bit about the cultivar

This chance seedling is from the farm of Harvey Correia in Isleton. He grows various excellent cultivars of pomegranates, and he suspects that this tree is a seedling of one of them. The fruits are medium to large in size, very dark. The arils are very large and dark with soft seeds.  The seeds seem to be softer than Desertnyi's seeds. The flavor reminds me of Desertnyi, but a bit sweeter, like a cross with Vina. Overall, an excellent accession, and I am planning to make a tree for myself.

Sourced from-

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Eugenia with Long Germination Times
« on: April 19, 2023, 04:33:31 PM »
Hey All,

Eugenia's are obviously one of the most collected and sought after species on this forum. They are great for container culture, generally do not have a long juvenile period, and seeds readily germinate.

Because of how quickly and easily this genus usually germinates, if I dont see sprouts pretty quickly I usually assume they are bunk and move on.

Lately I have had 2 exceptions- I thought it might be good to track this, so people don't waste seeds or erroneously start beef

Eugenia klotzschiana - 1 year to show above surface
Eugenia stipitata - 5 Months to germinate after sowing in 100% vermiculite
Eugenia victoriana - 4 Months to germinate after sowing in 100% vermiculite

Myrciaria vexator - 5 Months

Anyone else see similar things with these or other species?


Tropical Fruit Discussion / Macroalgae -> Fertilizer Trials
« on: March 25, 2023, 03:13:22 PM »
Hey All-

I wanted to use this thread to document another hair brained idea- turning the excess macroalgae from my coral reef fish tank into a "seaweed" fertilizer. I do not recommend this for people to try- I am concerned about the salt levels and very likely will kill some plants before dialing this in, but currently this is a waste product for me that I would like to try to recycle back into my system rather than throwing away.

I have a 110 gallon reef that is a split style tank with the bottom functioning primarily as a refugium for said macroalgae and various invertebrates. Here is the main farming patch right now-

The known species are
  • Chaetomorpha spp.
  • Caulerpa spp.
  • Halymenea spp.

And there are a few unknown/hitchhiker species. In the long term I may incorporate asterina starfish and other pest aquatic species into the mix as well.

For now I only had an overgrowth of the Caulerpa and so I trimmed some, washed it, and have placed it in the sun to dry.

I will then powder it and apply in small quantities to test plants that I have a multitude of the species.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Any Info on Clavija euerganea?
« on: March 11, 2023, 11:21:26 PM »
Bought a seed in October of last year and it just sprouted-

I got the seed from tradewinds

An interesting rain forest tree, with bright orange, round fruits having orange pulp that looks like marmalade. The fruits grow to about an inch in diameter. Little information is available about this species. The fruits could be edible, as several other Clavija species have edible fruits, but care should always be taken with unknown fruits. Native to mid-elevation tropical forests in South America. Short, bushy growth to 6-12 ft / 3-4 m.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Aerogarden Aguaymanto (Physalis peruviana)
« on: March 05, 2023, 12:17:06 AM »
Hey All-

So I found an Aerogarden for cheap recently, and in the interest of upping my greens consumption I decided to buy it-

I noticed that people often grow tomatoes in these and since I had a bunch of extra aguaymanto sprouts I thought I would give it a shot-

Here are 2 of them-

Has anyone ever tried this before? any other interesting species to try in here?

Also anyone have any good greens recommendations other than arugula and mizuna?

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Syzygium australe Seedling for sale $30
« on: February 19, 2023, 11:57:03 PM »
Hey All-

I've got one seedling of Syzygium australe for sale, $30 plus shipping

I also have seeds for $3 a pop

Description of the plant

Syzygium australe - “Brush Cherry”
Brush cherry is an evergreen shrub or small tree with flaky bark. It can reach heights of 20 metres or more in the wild, but is more likely to be in the range of 8 - 10 metres with a short, crooked bole, especially in cultivation.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for its wood and edible fruit, and is also often grown as an ornamental and as a hedge. It is sometimes grown in gardens for its edible fruit.
A tree of warm temperate and subtropical climates, just reaching into tropical areas. It is tolerant of occasional, light frosts.. Succeeds in full sun and in partial shade. Prefers rich soils and assured moisture. Succeeds in most soils. Several named forms have been developed for ornamental purposes, including some compact forms that grow no larger than 2 metres.
Fruit - raw or made into jellies. Crisp and juicy, it ranges in flavour from delicious to mediocre. The reddish-pink to red, obovoid fruit is about 15 - 25 mm long and 15 mm in diameter, with a large seed.
Cite as: Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2023-02-20. <>

link to my taste report-

Hey All-

I finally had a chance to go check things out in Texas and repair the irrigation system etc.

While I was heartbroken to see so many plants die I was glad that I had put the Tropical stuff down in key west, and given my Garcinia collection to NissanVersa who was able to take care of them.

What is probably of most interest to the zone pushers on here is what survived though!

Salpichroa origanifolia - "Cock’s Eggs” sourced from huertasurbanas
Salpichroa origanifolia is a very fast-growing, perennial, climbing plant with somewhat woody stems. Although the fruits have a poor flavour raw, they are often gathered from the wild for use as preserves and are commonly found for sale in local markets. A plant of the warm temperate to tropical zones, being found at elevations above 1,000 metres in the tropics. Plants are susceptible to frost, even the fleshy roots can be killed by temperatures down to freezing. Prefers a sunny position. Thrives in alkaline soils. Fruit. Of poor flavour raw. Often used to make preserves. The white or yellow, ovoid fruit is 18mm x 8mm.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-05. <>

Eugenia myrcianthes “Ubajai” sourced from sacredsucculents

Myrtaceae. Small willow-like tree to 15-25′. Pendulous branches, simple glossy leaves, pubescent when young. White flowers and apricot size edible fruit. The flavor of the fruit is excellent when still pale yellow but becomes insipid upon turning a dark yellow/orange. Native to the Rio Plata region, Brazil. Easy to grow ornamental/edible, mature trees tolerant of mild frost. Z9b
Text Sourced from

Acanthosyris spinescens - “Sombra de touro” sourced from huertasurbanas

Sombra de touro is a thorny, deciduous tree with a low crown; it can grow 3 - 6 metres tall. The short, crooked bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter
The edible fruit is gathered from the wild and consumed locally, though it is not widely appreciated The plant also has local medicinal uses.
The thin-skinned fruit has a very succulent pulp with a sweet, pleasant flavour. The fruits are about 3cm in diameter
A decoction of the leaves is used as a treatment for high fevers The leaves are used externally to dress ulcers

Eugenia pyriformis - “Uvaia” sourced from huertasurbanas
Uvaia is an evergreen shrub or tree with a small, open crown; it can grow 5 - 15 metres tall. The erect bole can be 30 - 50cm in diameter. The edible fruits are greatly appreciated in Brazil, where the plant is widely cultivated in home gardens and orchards, both for its fruit and as an ornamental tree. The fruit is edible. A pleasant aroma with a sweet but insipid flavour. The fruits have a thick, very succulent pulp with a sweet or acid flavour according to variety. It is eaten fresh, made into juices, jellies etc. The yellow, aromatic fruit varies in shape from globose to pear-shaped, and in size from 4cm in diameter to 8cm long by 6cm wide. A plant of drier areas in the tropics and subtropics, where it is found at elevations from 300 - 1,500 metres. It grows best in areas where annual daytime temperatures are within the range 20 - 26°c, but can tolerate 15 - 30°c. Plants are tolerant of occasional light frosts. It prefers a mean annual rainfall in the range 450 - 600mm, but tolerates 300 - 800mm. Succeeds in full sun or part day shade. Adaptable to a range of soil types, but intolerant of alkaline soils. Prefers a well-drained soil. Prefers a pH in the range 6 - 7, tolerating 5 - 8. Prefers high levels of organic matter in the soil. Established plants are drought tolerant. A slow-growing plant, rarely reaching 2 metres tall after 2 years. Seedling plants can start producing fruit when 3 - 4 years old.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-10-26. <>

Myrcianthes fragrans - "Twinberry, Simpson's Stopper" forgot where I got it
A short bushy tree usually growing no higher than 15-20 feet. It is easily trained into a short hedge as well. Evergreen, features attractive white blooms that may occur at almost any time of year in warm climates. The pretty blooms have a wonderful scent reminiscent of gardenia. Blooms are followed by small berry-fruits which ripen to an orange-red. The blooms are quite popular with butterflies and the fruits attract birds. In addition, Simpson's Stopper also has smooth, red-brown colored bark (similar to the guava), adding to its ornamental appearance. Hardy to 25F. Attractive bush or small tree native to Florida and the Caribbean. Bears a small, orange-red, edible berry-fruit having a mild, citrus-like flavor. Simpson's Stopper is commonly planted as a hedge in much of South Florida, usually seen in urban settings where controlled hedging is needed. Despite sometimes being found planted in mundane locations, the plant is a beautiful United States native that can make a wonderful ornamental in the garden.

Text sourced from

Myrcianthes pungens - “Guabiyu” Pretty sure from NissanVersa
Guabiyu is a semi-deciduous tree with a large, rounded, dense crown; it can grow from 12 - 20 metres tall. The bole, which is normally crooked and gnarled, can be 40 - 60cm in diameter.
The tree is widely cultivated for its edible fruit within the plants native range. It is also used medicinally, the timber is harvested from wild trees and the plant is grown as an ornamental. Fruit - raw. A succulent, juicy pulp with a sweet, pleasant flavour. The dark purple, globose fruit is up to 25mm in diameter. A plant of tropical and subtropical areas, mainly at higher elevations up to 2,200 metres in the tropics. Prefers a position in dappled shade.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-13. <>

Celtis ehrenbergiana - “Tala” sourced from huertasurbanas
Celtis ehrenbergiana is a semi-evergreen shrub or small tree with a more or less pyramidal crown; it can grow 4 - 7 metres tall. The irregular bole can be 20 - 30cm in diameter.
The plant is sometimes harvested from the wild for local use of its edible fruit, medicinal properties and dyestuff. It is sometimes grown as an ornamental. Fruit. A succulent pulp, but there is not much of it. The oval, orange-yellow fruits are about the size of a pea. Edible and sweet. Astringent. An infusion of the leaves is used in the treatment of indigestion. A plant of the subtropics and tropics, found at elevations between 300 - 1,700 metres in the tropics. Prefers a sunny position. It is apparently tolerant of a wide range of soil and moisture conditions. A fast-growing tree.
Text sourced from Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2021-09-15. <>

Uvaria rufa sourced from Elopez
Uvaria rufa is a woody, climbing shrub with stems up to 5 metres long.The edible fruits are much esteemed locally, being commonly harvested from the wild and also sold in local markets. Fruit - raw. The orange-yellow fruits have a granular, sweetish flesh. An alcoholic tincture of the roots is used as an oxytocic. The bark has been shown to contain alkaloids. Sparsely forested slopes at elevations from 400 - 1,700 metres in southern China. Lowland forest in Malaysia.
Cite as: Tropical Plants Database, Ken Fern. 2023-02-18. <>

Eugenia spp. cv. “Sweet”

Small purple sweet fruits. It has beautiful multicolored bark. Growing on edge of creek at high elevation. Frost hardy. Plant reaches 9 feet max. Collected in south brazil. Text and plant from Brian Laufer

Things that survived but I didn't take pictures of-
Bananas, Pomegranates, Figs, Blackberries, Grapes, Peaches, Persimmons, Loquats, Feijoa,

Lycium andersonii  “Desert Goji/Wolfberry” Sourced from Sacredsucculents
Solanaceae. Densley branched thorned shrub to 3–6’+.  Semi-succulent leaves. Yellow/lavender tubular flowers followed by small round edible berries. Seed from Baja. Drought deciduous. Heat, drought and sun tolerant. A good choice for the arid edible landscape. The berries are rich in beneficial phytonutrients. Z9b/10a?   

Rosa roxburghii  “Cili” “Sweet Chestnut Rose” sourced from sacredsucculents
Stout shrub 4–8′ tall. Thorned branches, long pinnate leaves. 2″+ pale pink to purple-pink flowers, sweetly scented. Unusual orange-yellow fruit blushing red, globose to 1.5″+ and covered in small prickles. Native to southwest China. The fruit can be eaten fresh with a mild pineaple-like flavor. Traditionally made into a jam and wine, the dried fruit is brewed into a sweet tea that is said to strengthen all faculties and enhance longevity. The leaves are used as a green tea substitute. The fruit is rich in minerals, vitamin C and E, beneficial polyphenols, polysaccharides and SOD. Studies have shown the fruit is a strong antioxidant with anticancer potential, cardiovascular benefits and cognitive enhancement. Easy to grow, sun to part shade, rich, moist soil. We offer seed grown plants from strains selected for their darker fruit color and medicinal value. Z6a

I'll update the post as things bounce back, now that they are getting warmth and water again I am hoping that things looked worse than they were

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB- Airlayered Lychee
« on: February 04, 2023, 04:03:52 PM »
Hey All-

Looking for an Airlayered Lychee because I am in a marginal zone and not ready to put one in ground-

Leaning toward an emperor because o0f the dwarf size and supposedly good fruit but would be open to other vars

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / 1000th Post Giveaway!- Entries Closed!
« on: January 31, 2023, 09:35:49 PM »
Hey All-

I am getting dangerously close to post 1000 and I want to go a giveaway in appreciation of all the knowledge and friends I have gained through the board-

I'll be giving away one sprouted Asimina campechianus- I'll pay shipping as well

from Raul's description-

I got some seeds of this Paw paw tropical relative wonder if can be used toward Asimina triloba for creating a tropical Paw paw, I was told Sapranthus fruit is good eating sweet fruit.

The person with the closest guess to the time and date to when I make my 1000th post will win- an example entry would be

2/7 4:15pm

I am (with this post) at 969 posts which makes me 31 posts away from 1000 and I (apparently) make roughly 1 post a day for those who want to try to gauge it.

Also the making of this post will not affect my posting rate, and I will only edit this original post with updates to answer any questions

Good Luck All!

The seedling in question

And a picture of the fruit from Raul

As Mango Stein Pointed out I didnt make a deadline-

In the interest of keeping the "prediction" part fair everyone must enter by Sunday

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Pineapple Guava Fruit for Sale
« on: January 28, 2023, 11:37:26 PM »
$20 a pound + shipping

Hey All-

Part 2 of the california cold update a reminder of the coldest dip so far from my precious post

A major difference in my treatment from last year is I actually stopped watering about a week before the cold snap hit in both places-

I left the thermometer out in CA and recorded a dip to 29*F here this year, it was very short and surrounded by several 40*F days, so take these observations with a grain of salt.

These plants were active selection experiments to see what would survive-

Chrysophyllum caimito-

10/11 of these died- this one is holding on though!

Eugenia arrabidae-

2/3 of these survived- it looks like they are also cold tolerant

Eugenia involucrata "Orange"-

These are from marcos and recently listed for sale again- looks to be quite cold tolerant 2/2

Eugenia pyriformis-

again I think the burn is from overwatering

Eugenia squamiflora-

Pretty sure the burns on this one are from overwatering not the cold

Plinia inflata-

Reports of cold tolerance of this species may be true- both plants are looking okay right now

Tropical Fruit Discussion / An Interesting Fig Tree in the Neighborhood
« on: January 08, 2023, 05:56:32 PM »
While biking around I noticed this fig tree that seemed remarkable in that it is bearing fruit at this time of year and that they seem to have survived a dip down to 29*F-

I will collect one of the figs when they droop and if they are good tasting will take some cuttings

Some pictures of the offender

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Some Plants that Took a Dip Below Freezing
« on: January 08, 2023, 05:34:42 PM »
Hey All-

Another winter and I thought I would write up another report of what seems to have done well with the cold. I brought a few of my favorite selections with me to the Bay Area that I will cover here- Unfortunately Texas got down to 18*F this year (something usually unheard of but for the second time in 3 years) and will do a separate write-up about what seems to have done well there (teaser is Myrcianthes fragrans was untouched)

A major difference in my treatment from last year is I actually stopped watering about a week before the cold snap hit in both places-

I left the thermometer out in CA and recorded a dip to 29*F here this year, it was very short and surrounded by several 40*F days, so take these observations with a grain of salt.

First up, Afromamum angustifolium-

Surprised by this one but it is pretty mature and again was dry

Adansonia gregorii-

Got whacked a bit but looks like it should bounce back-

Diospyros spp. -

Very little known about this species other than that it came from Forest House Cameroon

Saba senegalensis-

A lot of these got sold during the fundraiser for Andreas- happy to see they are a bit cold tolerant, the fruit is supposed to be good and hopefully a few people on here have it

Paullinia pinnata-

I have no idea why this species appears to be cold tolerant- I accidentally left it out during the freeze in Texas and after defoliation it came back

Rheedia aristata-

The cuban mangosteen is proving to be one of the hardiest of the genus, I hope the fruit it good but it is a pretty plant, and could be useful for grafting if nothing else-


This is an unknown species from the fruit and spice park-

Psidium spp.-

This is one of the guava species from member Andres Pires- I think it was amarela or goiba roxa but the label got lost

Myrciaria glazoviana-

Didn't even blink

Eugenia neonitida-

I have a few of these because I really like the fruit, some did worse than others, but it looks like after you expose them once they take the cold better

Multigrafted Plinia-

All the grafts seem to have held

Myrciaria guaquiea-

This thing is beast, another where i hope the fruit is good, ever since putting it on the fertilizer recommendation from achetadomestica it has really taken off

Tropical Fruit Discussion / New Fruit Report! Cereus spp.
« on: December 20, 2022, 06:32:25 PM »
Hey All,

Recently while biking around I found a very mature Cereus spp. that was holding some fruit on it on public land- Any help IDing would be nice

Fruit looks orange red- leading me to believe it could be validus? I also think peruvianus has larger fruits that are more red

Overall a pretty underwhelming fruit but heres the breakdown-

Flavor - surprisingly floral and just a bit sweet, I ended up eating quite a bit of it

Pros - Fruits and flowers in December, need little care/irrigation, Pretty imho
Cons- Mucilaginous, inferior to dragonfruit in terms of flavor which is already borderline in my book, can get quite large

Tropical Fruit Discussion / How to Sprout Pouteria spp.
« on: December 15, 2022, 05:52:26 PM »
Hey All-

Apologies if this is a repost or common knowledge, but based on a quick search I didn't see anything with this info on it-

Pouteria are a great tasting genus of fruits (in my opinion) that often really shine when used in recipes like milkshakes, ice creams, or pies. Growing Pouteria seems to be gaining some popularity on the board so I thought I would share this bit of info on the germination of most (if not all) Pouteria species.

You need to crack the outer shell to release the endosperm and embryo- there is a chance that seeds can do this on their own for germination but I have performed some tests on Pouteria lucuma and found the cracking and removal of the seed coat to be beneficial.

I recently got some Ross Sapote seed from palologrower and thought it would be a good opportunity to demonstrate pictographically-

You have to use some force to whack them (I usually use the back of a spoon or something) but be careful not to damage the endosperm very much-

Tropical Fruit Discussion / First Banana Bloom! Supposedly Blue Java
« on: December 12, 2022, 01:47:30 PM »
Hey All-

Jest received a fabulous picture from the place in Houston-

This will be our first rack of Bananas coming in, quite worried about them making it through the winter- but have a few other pups around it that will hopefully bloom at a more favorable part of the year.

I have heard that this variety needs propping but I am not there, so I am not sure I will be able to

Tropical Fruit Discussion / down?
« on: December 08, 2022, 10:19:03 PM »
Hey all-

this website is an amazing resource that many of us use but I am not sure how many people are aware that it is run by a small husband and wife team- the Ferns

Is it down for everyone or just me? I would hate to see this resource lost, but even when trying to navigate to the donation page it seems to be down

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Syzygium australe Fruit Report
« on: November 30, 2022, 09:34:11 PM »
Hey All-

I think I ID'd this as Syzygium australe after taking a look at the trees on stanfords tree map- It clearly is surviving in Z9a, but in a courtyard against a wall so may be benefiting from radiative heating

Here is a (not great) photo of the flower

better flower

And of course the fruit!

The money shot-

Beautifully crisp and juicy with a bit of lemony tartness, good amount of flesh to seed ratio-

I'll collect some seeds and put em up for sale

Hey All,

When back in Houston recently, I obviously took a stroll of the garden and to my great delight I saw some blooms on the Eugenia stipitata- Araca Boi

This is the second year with flowers, about a 4 year old plant and it bloomed last year but didn't hold anything-

I know through conversation with NissanVersa I know that there are at least two different varietals of this species- and at one point I had both but the wider leaf varietal appears to be less cold tolerant, and didn't make it through the winter.

I had heard that they fruit much better with multiple plants but other than this one I only have seedlings now-

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