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Just to clarify what vnomonee said, if you want dwarfing, you'll want to graft onto flying dragon specifically; Poncirus trifoliata in general is not dwarfing, producing a relatively full-sized tree with many (most? all?) scions. Of course, if you're getting dwarfing along with a reduction in vigour, that can be good in cold climates, but has its drawbacks, too.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Japanese citrus growers?
« on: November 24, 2022, 08:12:36 AM »
Thanks for inviting the clarification, yes, I meant to be talking about fruit :)

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Japanese citrus growers?
« on: November 23, 2022, 07:11:07 PM »
I'm interested in connecting with any citrus growers in Japan who are willing to ship to Canada, and who are growing Japanese varieties that are not common elsewhere. Personal use importation to Canada does not require a permit, and I have ordered a lot of Citrus depressa from Okinawa in the past with success, and with the cheap fixed-rate boxes available from Japan Post. I'm especially interested in Citrus tachibana, but am open to all varieties :)  Happy to pay by bank transfer or PayPal.

Thank you!

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Etrog Citron
« on: December 13, 2021, 02:12:46 AM »
Etrog refers to its suitability for ritual use, and there are multiple suitable citrons. Do you want a diamante citron specifically (most common etrog citron in North America), or any that is suitable for use as an etrog?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Scion v. Budwood v. Cutting
« on: August 11, 2021, 02:12:47 AM »
"Graft compatibility" is a complex topic, and it depends what your goals and needs are.  For instance, some sources consider that Poncirus trifoliata is incompatible with some mandarins, and will overgrow at the union and ultimately girdle the tree; other sources consider that as this happens after 15 years, that's sufficient.  Poncirus is widely used as a rootstock in many places, in particular in Japan for almost everything.  It may make sense to consider what your actual goals are, rather than defaulting to grafting on Poncirus, as many citranges have across-the-board better performance in almost all settings.  And if you do have specific needs in terms of soil type or disease resistance, that would definitely guide your choice.  There's a lot of academic papers you can read on rootstock performance and compatibility, but the results are inconsistently reported, and vary between sites for the same kinds of rootstock.  In general, many sources will tell you that Poncirus is slower growing and less vigorous.  Do you care about tree size?  Do you have specific goals as far as fruit quality?  There are a lot of factors to take into consideration.  If you just want to play around with propagation, Poncirus is a great rootstock to use because of very broad compatibility.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grafting on Severinia buxifolia?
« on: July 14, 2021, 05:36:52 PM »
Hi citrange, thanks for the reply :)  As someone with some amount of history in research, I'd say that actually the thing about published research is that people have bothered to do the parts they didn't find interesting, as well as what they did find interesting.  The actual work isn't always as large-scale or long-term as you might think.  There's people publishing research based on 12 month field trials with a handful of specimens, but they have data worth publishing because they're controlling for some factors of interest, and thoroughly documenting others.

(Moreover, you'd be surprised how many oft-repeated citrus facts come from extremely small-scale tests, or which are repeatedly quoted from very old sources, but which have no data associated with them.)

The forum (especially the cold hardy forum!) is really wonderful for how many people in it are doing some amount of screwing around, whether they get more serious and scaled-up or not.  Every person who grows a zygotic seedling on a lark has the potential to win the probability game and end up with something really interesting.  People whose livelihood depends on doing something really interesting have to not just start the seeds that they would like to plant on a lark, but enough seeds of relevant varieties to be confident they can win the probability game enough times for it to count.  There's a lot of value in collecting the outcomes of N=1 experiments out in the world :)

Choisya is an interesting choice!  Did you know Bitters also experimented with grafting Citrus onto New World species of Toddalioideae, as well?  He managed to keep a Citrus bud alive for a year on Casimiroa edulis white sapote!

Citrus General Discussion / Grafting on Severinia buxifolia?
« on: July 12, 2021, 07:22:36 PM »
I've been reading my way through various academic articles on graft and sexual compatibility in Rutaceae, and keep finding off-handed references to Citrus being grafted onto Severinia buxifolia, but no real details on the results of that, other than some of the potential benefits (cold hardiness, decreased boron sensitivity, changes to salinity response, etc.)  (Gosh, there's some great papers out there, like the dissertation on Aegle marmelos sexual compatibility with Aurantioideae, with lots of big, satisfying tables.)

I'm wondering if anyone in the forum has actually played with this at all, and if so what the results were like.  As I understand it, there's specimens that lasted for decades, so it's not just a case of almost-compatible vasculature allowing a bud or scion to limp along, but actually stable and healthy grafts that are long-lasting.

The thing I'm most interested in is vigorousness, but the potential for better graft compatibility than Poncirus with a few outliers is appealing, too.  Has anyone tinkered?  Any observations?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Looking for Citrus Pollen
« on: November 08, 2019, 08:50:16 PM »
Just chiming in with an interest for this as well, to speed breeding experiments; would love to have Minneola and Dekopon pollen in quantity.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: flying dragon vs trifoliate orange
« on: September 16, 2019, 12:01:15 PM »
Not an expert, but even the seedlings I've had of the Flying Dragon cultivar show a different pattern of growth, and I would think yours are not Flying Dragon.

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Finger Lime Scion of Any Kind
« on: August 19, 2019, 06:01:36 PM »
I live in Canada, and it's a bargain  ;)

Find some friends in a similar area who want to go in on a budwood order, maybe?

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Finger Lime Scion of Any Kind
« on: August 19, 2019, 03:43:28 PM »

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Sansho Pepper
« on: June 18, 2019, 12:49:54 PM »
The prickly ashes, Zanthoxylum, are indeed in Rutaceae and might even be graft-compatible with Citrus and Poncirus, although that's less certain.  Like Murraya spp., Zanthoxylum spp. produce a lot of interesting compounds that are pungent, citrusy, or even sort of petrochemicaly (as in the case of very good Murraya koenigii.)  My fantasy is to have a single tree with Poncirus, Murraya, and Zanthoxylum it would be a pretty interesting stink!

Now, saying the flavour is close to mandarin orange strikes me as a little silly.  Sansho is more citrusy than the green Zanthoxylum cultivars in China, and certainly moreso than the red huajiao that you'll find in most real Sichuan-style in North America (the green Chinese cultivars have only been available more recently.)  Still, there's a lot of other stuff going on there.  Very good for brightness, though!

There's at least one North American native Zanthoxylum, Z. americanum, and in the Hawaiian Islands, there's several (and if anyone has cuttings of any or all of them, I'm super interested in buying some from you!)

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / ISO Hardy citrus cuttings in Canada.
« on: June 10, 2019, 01:20:21 PM »

Looking to connect with other folks in Canada who have established hardy citrus and who would be willing to sell some cuttings.  I'm happy with occasionally buying from CCPP and buying seeds from the US for rootstock, but the costs of phytosanitary certificates pile up (to say nothing of how much worse the exchange rate makes the CCPP's non-California budwood prices), and while I know some people bring cuttings in without needing a phytosanitary certificate, I've dealt with CFIA and CBSA enough to not want to deal with the uncertainty of trying.

I'm presently most interested in Prague citsuma, Thomasville citrangequat, and other Poncirus hybrids, but would love to be in connection with other folks tinkering with hardy citrus of all kinds who might be willing to sell cuttings now and then.  Quick payment via e-Transfer, slow mail via Canada Post :)

(Also interested in any sources of Thomasville seeds in Canada or on the US west coast.)

Thanks in advance for any responses!  Would love to be a part of a more robust citrus growing community in the mild parts of Canada :)

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