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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: HELP: Topworking 5-ft. Mango Seedling
« on: September 25, 2023, 12:15:18 PM »
Itís too late to lop it off and graft it unless you do the side veneer like Cookie Monster said. If you want to do a cleft draft, you could lop it now (making sure to leave a good number of leaves In the canopy) and hope that it pushes several branches in its final growth flush this year. Then after the first flush next year hardens off, graft into those shoots.

Alternatively, leave it as-is over the winter and then lop it off as low as you want when it starts warming up in spring. Graft it once the first flush hardens off. This would let you get a lower graft and possibly use less scions of thatís a concern for you. You just need one scion to take off on a short stump and youíll have a full mango bush/tree in a couple years.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Can a Pickering of this size produce?
« on: September 21, 2023, 09:37:14 PM »
It should be able to hold at least 20-30 fruit next year. You have a nice canopy but the trunk looks a little on the thin side compared to the canopy.

Maybe I got lucky but Iím 1 for 2 on Maha. Iím no expert so thatís around my normal take rate for mangoes.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Forcing mango to branch out
« on: September 17, 2023, 12:48:40 PM »
Iíve tipped new growth thatís already started and Iíve also used my thumb nail to damage/remove the terminal bud when it started swelling. This forces the other buds in that area to start swelling and push.

Bone meal has little nitrogen and high phosphorus. Sulfate of potash gets you the potassium. I mix these and use around my mangoís.  For plants that like some nitrogen, add some blood meal to the mix.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Achacha help
« on: September 02, 2023, 02:13:19 PM »
Iím interested in this as well. I have a lemon drop mangosteen that started getting tip burn and all the new leafs would come out deformed and yellow. This all started after a fairly light application of osmocote.

A Tree 4 Me in downtown Sebastian has some mangoís and other interesting tropicals.
Busy Bee is on US 1 between Sebastian and Vero and has a decent mango selection at certain times of the year.
Forum member Veggieman01 is in Vero and has a good selection of potted mangoís and will also sell scions off the trees he has in ground.
Rockledge Gardens has a decent variety of mangoís but they are crazy expensive. $60 for a 3 gal is ridiculous.

Iím another who isnít crazy about PPK. The fruit/sap smell is amazing but the rubbery and somewhat chalky texture (at least on mine) lowers its ranking. Also, my PPK is not vigorous. Itís not on some special rootstock but my tree has been 3 years in the ground from a well-developed 3 gallon and itís only about 4í tall. I get 1-2 growth flushes every year.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Pruning Recommendation Needed
« on: August 09, 2023, 05:42:49 AM »
I made my first cut around 24Ē and the tree is an Angie so semi-dwarf. I have to support some of the lower branches to keep the fruits off the ground.  I think itís fine to cut at 24-36Ē for a mango bush but try to keep your lower horizontal branches at least 36Ē. Itís still going to want to grow upward unless you train the branches out (like I did) or let the weight of fruit do it for you.

Thatís usually what happens to fruit trees when they have a year with poor fruit set.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Am I doing the right thing?
« on: July 31, 2023, 10:05:33 PM »
Getting some shade over a young tree rarely hurts. You may want to make sure it gets full sun in the morning and late afternoon just to be sure itís getting enough light as mangoís are full sun trees. Some mangoís seem to take longer to establish than others. Iím not sure if itís the rootstock or something else. My PPK had 1 growth flush per year for 2 years before it really started growing and my small 1gal Sunrise only flushed once or twice in its first year and is now growing like crazy. Other mangoís started flushing within a couple months of being in the ground. Iíd let it chill in light shade for a while, make sure it gets water a couple times a week but donít overwater.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Dwarfing a vigorous tree
« on: July 30, 2023, 09:43:11 PM »
Does interstock grafting work at all with mangoís?  Iíve read some articles where they use it for citrus but with all the topworked trees, you would think that if someone found a dwarfing variety, it would be common knowledge.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Amber Jackfruit seeds
« on: July 16, 2023, 04:55:45 PM »
All of my seeds in pots have sent down a taproot and a couple are starting to grow up!

Iím local in Sebastian as well and wouldnít mind dropping by for a couple slips.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Was Fruit Punch overrated?
« on: July 13, 2023, 07:14:24 AM »
Palmcity, thatís a really good comment about young trees not producing peak flavor. I thought my Angie tree was average its first year producing but now in its 3rd year, itís fantastic. My PPK fruited for the first time this year and I wasnít impressed. The fruit even ripened late and didnít turn yellow on the tree so it probably struggled to get enough sugars even though the tree is 3 years in the ground from a 3 gal pot.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Was Fruit Punch overrated?
« on: July 12, 2023, 07:23:38 PM »
There is already at least one Sunrise and 2 Sunsets. Iíve never heard of Fruit Punch being called anything else.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Amber Jackfruit seeds
« on: July 05, 2023, 05:59:04 PM »
Seeds received. None were germinated which is a good thing for these couple hot days in the mail. I put some in pots and some directly in the ground. Thanks Frank!

Maybe itís different here in Florida but I agree with Daintree based on my travels to the west coast. Generally, I would let the front desk know that I wanted housekeeping the next day. They wouldnít come into my room otherwise.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Seedling Mango tree thread
« on: July 02, 2023, 01:13:38 PM »
Can anyone confirm that Bombay is polyembryonic?  I thought is was monoembryobic but this neglected seedling is showing otherwise. This seed was already in a bit of soil when I received it so I never checked it out. 

Bombay is Monoembryonic from the fruit I sampled.

Fliptop, thanks for the report. Maybe the fruit will be better next year and especially if allowed to ripen a bit more.


The Bombay I had a few years ago was monoembryonic.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Maprang & "Red" Chempedak
« on: June 29, 2023, 09:31:24 PM »
I have tried both seedling Chempedek and Chempejack. The Chempedek never really grew unless it was the middle of summer with high humidity. It died after its 2nd winter. The Chempejack was put in the ground at the same time about 2 feet away.  It has also grown very slow but better than the Chempedek and seems to be willing to put out new growth for more months out of the year.  Surprisingly, it has taken 32 degrees without protection and didnít lose leaves which is more than I can say for a small grafted Mai 1 that I also had in the ground last winter.

I keep hearing that the Chempedeks have poor root systems so this may be the issue. I am planning on approach grafting a jackfruit seedling to my Chempejack to see if that gets it going.

Angie is also a fairly dwarf tree. Mine is 5 years old and Iím letting it get to ~8ft but it could be kept smaller. Fruiting is what keeps them small. After a bad 2022 with no fruit, mine almost doubled in size.

why do I keep thinking PPK is a fast grower?

every time I see a batch of 3gal grafted mangoes from Zill, the largest ones seem to be PPK.

anyone else notice it's a fast grower??
Yes, PPK is fast and vigorous.

I must have an oddball rootstock because my PPK has been very slow for 3 years. It flushes 2 times per year tops. I’ve grafted a backup into my Angie and that branch is definitely outpacing Angie so I very well could have a dwarfing rootstock.

Sunrise has been in constant growth mode this year but it took a year to actually get started.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: When is too late to prune a mango
« on: June 26, 2023, 08:28:10 PM »
I think your first decision in zone 9a is going to be how tall are you able/willing to let it get and protect it during the winter. Or are you growing in a pot?  Either way, shorter is probably better. Mangoes will grow from whatever height they are cut so 2í seems reasonable. Then just keep tipping at every growth flush. Seedlings are going to want to grow straight up.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: First Nam Wah bananas for 2023
« on: June 26, 2023, 04:09:31 PM »
Nice! Mine started sending out a flower last week so hereís hoping that we donít get a hurricane because it probably wonít be ripe until December.

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