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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite extremally vigorous mango tree?
« on: August 14, 2023, 06:50:56 PM »
I do have Phoenix grafted in on the same tree, really liked the one I got to try. I had LZ, but a neighbor's oak tree came down on it...really upsetting. Maybe I'll do the biggest cocktail tree ever; Cac, Phoenix and LZ all together! Doesn't look like TAF sells LZ scions anymore, those might be a challenge to locate.




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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite extremally vigorous mango tree?
« on: August 14, 2023, 06:41:13 PM »
I have a Cac branch grafted in on another tree, really love the flavor, but it again sounds like more of a spreader than skyscraper. I'll probably give it a go if nothing else tops my interest, since I already have scions I can take.


Tog Bi Con is a new one to me, seems there was some discussion about it a decade ago on here. Some said it was comparable to Ivory, but there wasn't much info.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: What's your favorite extremally vigorous mango tree?
« on: August 14, 2023, 01:04:41 PM »
Thanks B. TAF says it's a dense, spreading tree (vs vertical). What's been your impression of how it grows?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What's your favorite extremally vigorous mango tree?
« on: August 14, 2023, 11:15:28 AM »

There are threads for days on here asking for people's favorite dwarf/compact/condo variety, but I can't recall anyone asking for opinions on the opposite end of the growth spectrum. I'm taking down a big laurel/water oak that provides good shade, but is too close to things that matter to me (Hurricane Ian snapped some big limbs on it, and we didn't get hit that hard). I'm looking for options on trees that go more or less straight up, rather than spreading, to replace it. Thick/dense canopy would also be great, but I'm guessing that doesn't jibe with my primary desire.




Anybody have some suggestions they could share?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: August 06, 2023, 08:59:17 AM »
Quote from: johnb51 on August 05, 2023, 06:12:29 PM
Yes, Cotton Candy has a balanced flavor.  Did you find it to be pretty fibrous?  I've only tasted them from one source, and they were definitely not in the fiberless category!
Only on the seed, some very thick strands on it, but the flesh was simply firm. Really nice mango, looking forward to trying it from another source or two for comparison.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: M4 or Coconut Cream
« on: August 05, 2023, 05:10:56 PM »
On Har's comment about deciding between M4 and Cotton Candy, I just had a few of both and it was definitely Cotton Candy for me. M4 was maybe the most syrupy sweet mango I've ever had; good, but so overwhelming it actually put off most my family after a few bites....I might have let it ripen a day too long. Cotton Candy surprised me, I was expecting all sweet and no depth, it was very balanced and tasty. Hard to see how it got its name from the ones I tried, but definitely a worthy mango to have in the yard.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: 🥭Mangos for sale 🥭
« on: August 04, 2023, 02:47:22 PM »
Just finished the last mangoes yesterday, two full weeks of eating multiple mangoes each day. Well worth the price, I'll definitely be purchasing again next year.


Thanks Frank!!!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: TAF Mango Scions Now Available! (not an April Fool's joke)
« on: August 03, 2023, 08:21:47 AM »
Indeed. FedEx had the scions here the next day, fastest and freshest scions ever.


Anyone know what the chalky substance is on them?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: water temp 100+
« on: July 26, 2023, 01:47:56 PM »
Quote from: drymifolia on July 26, 2023, 12:44:37 PM
Quote from: palmcity on July 26, 2023, 12:15:57 PM
Change is Inevitable:::

Yes, what's notable with the current change is the pace. In the historical examples of warm periods or ice ages, they typically formed slowly over millions of years, allowing both marine life and terrestrial life a chance to adapt (though even at that slower pace, plenty of extinctions occurred).

The current pace of warming is far more rapid than any historical examples, and it will be a lot harder for species to adapt, which means corals, fishes, etc., may go extinct at much higher rates than in the historical periods you're describing.
Even more drastic temperature changes have happened in the past, but those have involved major volcanic eruptions, meteor impacts, etc.,. Excluding those, there's no precedent for how quickly temperatures are rising without singular causes.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: water temp 100+
« on: July 26, 2023, 11:37:36 AM »

I've lived in Florida since the mid-70's, what I've seen since then has been dramatic. Winter conditions used to last a solid 3-4 months, now it's spread out over what seems like 3-4 weeks total. The changes my kids will see when I am gone will likely be even more dramatic; not a hopeful thought. With the hotter water temps the storms will reach Cat4/5 quickly, I'm guessing they'll see some of the Keys get wiped away.


Time to start zone-pushing tropicals


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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: water temp 100+
« on: July 26, 2023, 10:20:02 AM »
Well....maybe it'll cook the red tide  :-\
Really not good for Florida's aquatic ecosystem, and there's no room to argue otherwise.

Let's stay away from the 3rd rail of politics or the cause of the warming please, otherwise I'll have to shut it down.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Weird scabbing on Lula avocado fruit??? Need an avocado guru for help.
« on: June 14, 2023, 09:30:58 AM »
Anthracnose wouldn't be my first guess; I don't see any signs of it on the leaves and it looks like whatever it is happened earlier in fruit development and the fruit has healed (scabbed). Anthracnose on fruit doesn't usually heal, it festers and eventually penetrates. Some of your fruit does appear to have sunken scab spots, but most seem to have only superficial scabbing. What does the flesh underneath the scabs look like?


Carlos would probably pinpoint the issue(s), hopefully he sees this thread. I'd guess it was bugs, nutritional or weather-related.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Anyone selling mangoes now on the Gulf Coast (south of Tampa, north of Naples)?
« on: June 11, 2023, 04:05:16 PM »
Quote from: fruitnoob on June 10, 2023, 04:03:08 PM
Check out Hot Tropic Fruit Farm on Pine Island. this morning, I picked up Nam Doc Mai, Graham, Mun Khun sĩ, Chokanon,and kidney mangoes from them. they have other varieties as well.

Fruitscapes has Glenn, Maha, and couple other varieties that I can’t remember.
Thanks! Never heard of Hot Tropic Fruit Farm, but maybe between them & Fruitscapes I can get a good selection.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Anyone selling mangoes now on the Gulf Coast (south of Tampa, north of Naples)?
« on: June 10, 2023, 11:02:11 AM »
Interested in picking up a box this next week (I'd rather drive than pay for shipping).
Don't all have to be ripe/ready to eat now, I'd prefer a sampling that ripen up between pickup and a week or two (so I'm not gorging the entire box all at once).

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: AKME Gardens 2021 - Loquat Listings (Scions, Custom Grafting Services and more)
« on: June 05, 2023, 10:43:39 AM »
Quote from: Bush2Beach on June 03, 2023, 03:19:56 AM
You can be quite sure what’s going on with these people by reading 3+ years of people posting they are getting ripped off.
Did you google search loquat scion and akme showed up?

If all the fraudulent sales are funneled through a website, who do you contact to shut down the site , since it is a scam?


I would suggest complaining to whoever the payment processors he's using (PayPal, etc.,). I only modify/delete spammer posts, I'm not going to change his original post here. If this thread doesn't dissuade a potential buyer, there was no stopping them.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Water accumulation in your neighboorhood
« on: June 02, 2023, 12:04:53 PM »
Boy....how easy shit goes sideways these days. There were some helpful suggestions regarding the water accumulation, so I won't blast this tread into the sun, but seems past due for locking.


Here's my take on these situations: most of you are regulars, I've seen you asking and sharing advice on here freely countless times before. It's human nature to dislike/distrust others who do not share our worldview on topics with great physical/emotional/financial stakes, so some number of us have passed value judgements onto other members for their expressed views; those judgements will linger going forward. Do we see a post from one of those members in the future and reflexively think, "oh, there's that idiot that believes _______"? Do we not share/take advice with/from them because of that?


It has a chilling effect on some portion of the community when we go down these paths, we don't need that. It's hard not to get sucked in, god knows I wanted to say my piece several times reading over this, but what good would it really have done? None. What matters, what is valued on here, relates strictly to cultivating fruit; leave the rest of the mess and let's all please do our best to stay on target.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cogshall...is it ready to pick??
« on: June 01, 2023, 08:25:53 AM »
Has your tree gotten a lot of water/rain recently? That'll washout the flavor (can't recall if it takes a few days or a few weeks after heavy watering for the brix to come back up).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Strange happenings - what is eating my mango
« on: May 29, 2023, 08:51:05 AM »
Squirrels will do that; I haven't seen them return to already damaged hanging fruit, but I've definitely seen them munching

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: May 26, 2023, 09:58:25 AM »
Quote from: palmcity on May 25, 2023, 11:07:35 PM
Quote from: Fygee on May 25, 2023, 12:32:01 PM
Quote from: johnb51 on May 24, 2023, 01:28:44 PM
Quote from: Fygee on May 24, 2023, 12:59:20 PM
I eagerly await sales of boxes of these beauties.

In Vegas, we get nothing but stores selling boxes of fibrous, flavorless Kent monstrosities.
Really?  Are you sure they're Kent?  Kent is the original fiberless mango.

Brain fart. Keitt, not Kent.

lol..... Too funny...

But, let me help you out as both keitt and kent have little fiber and I enjoy both when home grown but they are often with little taste in the supermarket due to shipping/when picked/etc. etc. etc.

Perhaps Tommy Atkins as also in supermarkets and are known to have more fiber which makes them firmer and lowers bruising/smashing during shipping

https://www.tropicalacresfarms.com/product-page/tommy-atkins
Also look over the other varieties at Alex's site.


Yeah, very likely Tommys. I've seen a mix of Kent/Keitt/Tommys running though Publix & Trader Joe's since late February. Kents have been really small, but one or two were almost pleasant to eat. The bigger Tommys I don't give another look and all the Keitts have smelled like surgical equipment, notebook paper smells more appealing than them. I've also seen the Atalufo/Champaigne/Honey mangoes coming through a lot earlier than usual. Couldn't help but pull the trigger on a few of those, but they were all tart & bland (even when I let them sit until golden yellow).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Laurel Wilt Avocado (Stump or Remove)
« on: May 12, 2023, 09:14:59 AM »
Quote from: pagnr on May 12, 2023, 07:45:26 AM
ES is not actually a salt, it's magnesium sulfate and beneficial to plants/soil. The amount you use is probably too much of a good thing

Just a small point, it is a nutrient as you say, but it behaves as a salt with an EC.
If NaCl is salt, KCl and CaCl also behave as salts, as does MgCl, MgSO4 ( magnesium sulphate ), and all similar structured compounds.
If you use these nutrients excessively, or make very strong liquid fertiliser solutions, the EC ( salt effect ) will be very high.
The advantage of MgSO4 to NaCl in tree removal is probably that the MgSo4 will eventually be utilised as a nutrient, whereas the NaCl is required in far smaller amounts, and has well known negative effects if out of balance.( ie salinity )


I'll agree with whatever you said, anybody that knows even portions of the periodic table beats me....I sucked in science class.
From what I read, ES draws moisture out of any plant matter it comes in contact with, so the ES leaching down into the still live/viable root system of a recently stumped tree dries it out and speeds the process of rotting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Will my bailey's marvel mango from seed grow up to bear fruit?
« on: May 10, 2023, 12:47:05 PM »
Quote from: johnb51 on May 10, 2023, 10:03:14 AM
If you like Bailey's Marvel, go to a fruit tree nursery, pick up a tree, and plant it now.  In a couple of years, you'll have your own mangos.  If you want to experiment with and learn grafting, do that on the side.  :)
Yeah....that probably makes the most sense  ;D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Will my bailey's marvel mango from seed grow up to bear fruit?
« on: May 10, 2023, 09:23:37 AM »
Welcoming our newest addict to the forum!  ;D
Grafting is not easy in the beginning, do yourself a favor and plant every single mango seed you come across this summer. Read up on the proper soil for mangos, healthy seedlings give you a much better chance at success. Read even more about the proper grafting tools, watch a bunch of videos on the various techniques. Treat grafting like surgery, everything must be clean, you want the sharpest tools and you need to make clean, even cuts. Your first attempts will likely fail, my first season I had a < 10% success rate (ran out of seedlings quick, too). I'm running around 80% now, proper tools and techniques make all the difference.


If you just want one tree, plant that seedling you have in the spot you want the tree to be. Give it a full season of growth in-ground, and graft to it next season. Healthy in-ground trees are the easiest to graft onto, they make the best patients :D

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: south FL avocado - super hass complement
« on: May 10, 2023, 09:09:46 AM »
I have Lamb Haas and Semil 34 on the same tree, Semil is at least double the vigor on that tree (I keep having to chop it back to keep it under control). I recently grafted in Super Haas; I've been toying with the idea of putting Lamb, Super & Carmen on the same tree. That seems like my best bet for finding the Haas variety that does well in my yard, I'll just graft-out whichever variety doesn't do well.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Manatee Rare Fruit Council Annual Rare Fruit Tree Sale - May 6th 2023
« on: May 07, 2023, 06:50:55 AM »
I went for the first time yesterday, definitely going again next year. Bringing more bills next year; cash is king and nothing is on sale (well, maybe if I stuck around until closing I'd had better luck haggling). Glad I brought my beach cart, no way I could have carried everything I bought. I got there around ~10AM and there were dozens of people with their carts already filled headed to their vehicles.


It was a little nerve-racking, there was vendor overlap with certain plants/varieties, but supplies were already low of some of the rare/interesting plants. I was talking to one seller about a tree I was standing next to (the last they had available), walked a few steps over to get closer to hear the seller better and a couple that had to be listening in on our conversation scooped it up while my back was turned. Literally walked it over and put the small tree on the table right next to me to purchase it while the seller was finishing up answering my question. I didn't realize what tree they had until I glanced over to where the tree had been. There was no one else in the seller's space at the time, just me and the couple, they had to know they were taking the tree I was going to buy. Oh well, they didn't do anything wrong, my mistake to not to pick it up.


All in all, it was pretty amazing, got to see many plants I had only seen pictures of before.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Pests, Diseases, and Nutritional Problems
« on: May 03, 2023, 08:58:23 AM »
Quote from: INaba on May 01, 2023, 11:16:26 PM
Har, i need your expertise please.
Is this sweet tart mango planted correct? Or need to be replanted deeper
This trunk is not usuall. Please advise. Thanks







You don't want to bury below the collar, which appears to be just at/above soil level now. Har knows best, but I don't think planting deeper is advisable.
That is a funky rootstock; I'm surprised a nursery grafted to that, I would have culled that one.

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