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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Fruit and scions
« on: March 29, 2023, 07:42:11 PM »
I don't know Ongs Ruby but I understand it is also called Red Geffner.  See the link below.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Male or Female flower Jackfruit
« on: March 27, 2023, 08:19:19 PM »
Don't fret, just watch and soon enough you will see a fruit forming then you will see a couple of female flowers you overlooked.

Don't know what your seasons are, but that looks like a normal atemoya loosing leaves in winter ahead of new growth in spring.
My Birula looks like that, perhaps a little worse since some of the leaves have actually dropped off.  I am considering stripping the rest in a week or two if they don't drop by themselves.  Dream did the same a little earlier and dropped all its leaves.  Now it is pushing new growth.

If you arrive late and if last year is anything to go by, the best stuff will be gone.
Go early and take your wallet, it is hard not to pick up something.

I almost have come to believe there are two sweet tart lines, one that will fruit if you as much as look at it the wrong way and the other that may be a little more discriminating in fruiting.

I have tried everything on pond apple and I can tell you that it is not the rootstock you want for Atemoya.
Perhaps for Cherilata but certainly not for atemoya.
You go to is Cherimoya as was previously noted.  Some people have also recorded some success with soursop though I have not had much luck with it.

If you have pond apple that you wish to graft to, then I suggest you get Cherilata or soursop scions.  You may also get some Cherimoya scions if you wish to use them as interstock to graft your atemoya on to.  I had some success with a couple of Cherimoya varieties on pond apple and then I grafted atemoya on to the cherimoya.

If you are going to buy seed to grow rootstock, just get cherimoya.

By the way, there is this old post though it has not been kept current, I have found it useful.

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: WTB 7 Gallon Cecilove Tree
« on: March 16, 2023, 05:57:41 PM »
Maven, Roblack has a good idea.  If your folks have a mango tree already (and this is an addition) an option may be to graft this variety on to it as a second variety.  I assume they are close to you and you can graft or find someone who can.
The other option as Roblack has suggested is to get a 7 G plus tree in the ground as soon as you can and graft this variety to a couple of branches of that tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: March 15, 2023, 08:27:32 PM »
Found two ripe Carries today and ate one of them.

.... and???

Was it delicious??

Considering you hadnt seen rain in weeks I am assuming it was, but you have to tell.

Good luck, I am sure some folks on the forum will be able to sell you scions.  You may want to know that Coconut Cream is a patented variety and many forum members may not sell scions.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Still no flies or bees
« on: March 01, 2023, 07:05:36 PM »
Invest in the fish if you can or whatever brings you some flies.
Some of my huge blooms when there were no flies have very low fruit set.  The ones in bloom when the flies came had good fruit set.  I am waiting on the later blooms which had few or no flies but lots of wind to see what the fruit set was like.
My conclusion at this time, bring on the flies!

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Still no flies or bees
« on: February 26, 2023, 09:03:34 PM »
There was a fair amount of wind for several days. Pollen was everywhere and on everything.

I have a Keitt that is only now starting as well.  I had grafted another variety on it which bloomed on its half of the canopy.
Also, there is a Kesar branch on a tree that has great new flush of leaves but a second branch grafted on a different tree has flowers.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Murray Atemoya
« on: February 19, 2023, 05:47:45 PM »
I have not had 97-1, but I have had 4 others (Dream, Geffner, Tim, and Lisa). All far surpassed the under ripe cherimoyas I have gotten from the Asian markets in taste. Some time I am going to get the real thing fresh from California. In all fairness, even the Asian cherimoyas were better than the Atemoya I got from Wal-Mart (African Pride presumably)--it tasted like garbage. Based on texture alone Geffner was the most similar to the Cherimoya. Isn't 97-1 a Geffner seedling? I would love to grow/taste a ppc some time.
Check your PM

My large Soursop are flushing new growth, it appears all will be well.
A grafted tree lost a couple of the grafts but it appears one is also flushing new growth.
I have been trying for a Whitmans for some time and I was please to see one of the grafts push new growth.

All in all I'd say it was not as bad as it could be for Soursop.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Pineapple thread
« on: February 18, 2023, 07:29:52 AM »
I have a few pups that I can't plant due to surgery. I picked them on Monday 7/25 then had a surgical procedure on 7/26 that prevents me from potting them for at least a week or more.  Didn't know i would be out of commission. What is the longest time frame I can go before they die? It may be 10 to 14 days before I can pot them up.

Pups meaning no roots? 2-3 weeks should be fine as long as they aren't sitting in the sun. You can start them in water, too, keep the water level just below the plant.
They can even go longer then 3 weeks.  I have had some get lost under some covering discovered well over a month later, planted and came back.  I had not expected them to and had planed several in a single pot, now I have to separate them.  Poor things, all that stress.
The key was they were covered and out of the sun.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rootstock size for mango grafting?
« on: February 17, 2023, 07:43:27 AM »
What you are hearing is that the answer depends on your location and what condition the grafted plant will develop under.

In some places you can do a stone graft which is grafting to a seedling even younger than the small one you have and it is not a problem.  The raft will take the tree will grow and al is well.  In California (there is a post on the forum) if you did that your tree would try to fruit by the next year or so instead of growing and you would likely end up with a failed attempt.

I have grafted to seedlings as small as yours, and some did just fine, more did not.

If I were in your shoes (but here in FL) and did not mind losing the small seedling, I will graft it.  That opinion is informed by my Florida mindset.  Seedlings everywhere and they grow fast enough I am not too bummed if I lost one.

... also, I wont spray copper once a week or only use copper as a fungicide, I would alternate with something else.

Check out this video, its been around the forum a few times

Or this

That has been my experience as well.  The fruit also get a little larger.
That is part of why I am very optimistic for year 2 on this plant.

I planted some annona seeds (mixed) that included some AP from a forum member.

I intended on using them for rootstock but one in particular was glorious in how it grew and I set it aside to grow it out.  Nice healthy large leaves, rapid growth, I was curious to see if it would fruit. 

It did this past year.  It was the first fruit, it was relatively decent size for a first fruit and looked somewhat like an African Pride in look but in my opinion tasted better.  I have no clue if the first year performance will be replicated and don't want to wait to find out how this will perform under different conditions.

I will like to get some scions out there so people can join this experiment.

If you are interested, I will send you 4 scions, different thickness (pencil thickness or less).  I want to limit this to Continental US (preferably FL and CA).  The scions are free to you (pay shipping if you want to but you don't have to,) only requirement is that you keep an eye on how the plant does and you post update to this thread. 

Oh yes, please don't name it, we can call it LB1 for now if you need a moniker.

I have cut and prepped the scions and will be ready to ship as soon as tomorrow.

Since this thread started. I have observed that because of the cool weather there doesn't seem to be the level of pollinators that I desire. I been studying the squirrels and they're nesting but there is a couple encroaching upon the green zone. Potential fly factors. In the short term since I work with country fried PPR folks. I put in a request for fishes heads. Received in short order. Then requested from a fellow grower who was coming by to bring me 1/2 cup fish emulsion. I now have flies

Good for you, I came close to pulling the trigger on the fish waste solution but saw enough flies to decide I didn't need to, that was before those flies disappeared leaving just a few stragglers.

The flies have not been abundant but I have seen a few here and there.
I have read that wind can pollinate mango, and if that is the case, I believe my mango should be well and truly pollinated.  It has been supper windy and there is pollen all over the place.  Thick enough on the car to write on.  It is like Harmattan season in the old country, you call it Saharan dust in the USA, when fine sand from the Sahara covers everything and you can write in the dust coating a couple of hours after wiping a surface down.  OK Obviously pollen is limited and unlike the sand would run out at some point but you get the gist.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: February 11, 2023, 05:37:02 PM »
Okrine, thanks for that infoÖmine has bloomed full for three years now, I remove some wood thatís vertical and tip prune anything vertical that is left. Result is a very wide tree.

Alex Salazar has stated that a vigorous tree that is maintained at a small height will eventually just want to push foliar growth, but HOW small is the confounding variable.

From what your routine sounds like, yea I guess yours seems to alternate bear because you prune heavily every other year and therefore needs to replace leaves instead of flower on those years.

Thanks again thatís great info Iíll keep pruning after harvest and hope for the best.

Abe, I just realized I described what happened to my Beverly not BM.
Brain fart I guess.  I hope the pruning suggestions helps with managing the vigor of your tree.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: February 10, 2023, 08:24:17 PM »
Careful not to end up with a stump and one panicle.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: February 10, 2023, 06:46:18 PM »
Wow, that CCr seedling inflorescence bundle looks sweet!

Summer 2022, chopped about 1/3+ of my CCr to graft other stuff, most of which did not take. Now, CC is blooming. Wish hadn't chopped so much.
Perhaps the stress from losing a third of the canopy is why its blooming :)

Enjoy fruit from the remaining 2/3rd.

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