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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: February 09, 2023, 03:52:40 PM »
How old and how big is that Bailey's Marvel tree, Honest Abe? Beautiful tree! Bailey's Marvels are awesome.

Fliptop, thanks. I planted my Bailey’s marvel 2019 ......

What I didn’t know to expect was the incredible vigor even with my yearly tipping and shaping, not his fault I didn’t ask…but WOW that thing grows as fast as a Valencia pride…FAST.  One large tree is nice for shade and a swing for the kiddo but I fear it’s massive potential and difficulty of picking in the future as I know I can’t expect to keep it that size with good production forever.


Regarding the size of your BM, do not fear.  Mine started gangbusters, like it was reaching for the sky, got a a nice shape at about 16 feet and slowed down.  I can manage it at that height by removing wood (major branches) strategically every other year or so.  The tree is 15 years plus old, and has varied in height between 14 and 18 feet (20 feet tops) in the last 8 years or so based on my control measures.

My is an alternate bearer.  It fruits heavily one year then very lightly the next.  Not sure if it naturally behaves that way, or if does in part as a result of my management actions.  I had read or heard somewhere that Dr. Campbell recommended removing woody stem (nitrogen stored in the tree) to tame a vigorous tree.

Went searching and found it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: February 04, 2023, 10:03:56 AM »
True, while not everything is blooming, a lot are up in Jupiter (just a little further north of Palm Beach).
Unfortunately some varieties are showing a whole lot of mixed bloom especially those just opening bud now.  PPK for example is only just pushing and it appears it will new vegetative growth.  M4 appears finally ready to push and I am optimistic it will flower, it has been warm for some time though so who knows.  Son Pari has not bloomed in my yard (still a small tree).

I believe the excitement is because many varieties responded well to the Christmas day and January cold snaps, more than we would have expected given both were not sustained chills and temperatures rose quickly after.   

Resurecting an old post:

Carlos, whatever happened to your experiment.
Was spring pruning the way to go or anytime pruning?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Lychee erinose mite
« on: February 03, 2023, 07:58:52 PM »
I believe I read in some paper and on the forum that the recommended product was super fine (3 micron) and perhaps easier to apply.

Read the two threads below.  Folks on the forum have talked about this some.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How are your Lychees doing in Socal?
« on: February 03, 2023, 06:42:58 PM »
Amazing growth indeed.
I have never seen lychee grow that much in less than a year.   What conditions in your opinion were so favorable? 

Beverly is delicious and best flavor of all those to me but it has tendency for seed to sprout out while still ripening. Also has tendency to alternate bare After heavy crop in my neighborhood.
True on both counts.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Orange sherbet mango first blooming
« on: January 31, 2023, 07:34:23 PM »
I have one (from Zill) that must be dwarf.  It is 4 years old and less than 6 feet tall.  It is flowering this year.
Grafted scions from the same plant have grown very vigorously and actually fruited last year.
I am convinced on some root stock they may be dwarfed but perhaps on most they would grow to be a huge tree.

I would recommend Beverly.
It is a very nice fruit.  You may be correct about disease susceptibility but I will take what I can get of that variety.

... and as quickly as they came, the flies are gone again.
Something is fishy not right.

I think "fishy" would bring flies so lets stay with "not right", yes?

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia
« on: January 29, 2023, 07:33:50 PM »
Rollinia are like a weed tree that produces a nice fruit.  Very fast grower that will get away from you easily if you don’t control it.  As Ben said they won’t last long.  They’re kind of invasive on my farm.  Birds get to the fruit easily and I get lots of volunteers.

Peter, get away in what way?
Grow super big and wild or the invasive angle, start growing in other parts of your yard.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Plant purchasing mistakes
« on: January 29, 2023, 06:50:30 PM »
Abe, common rookie mistake.  I made it as well.

Picking the biggest plant in a little pot thinking you are getting more for less. It was a lesson quickly learned though. 

I have since picked up some pot-bound plants (and made one or two myself) but it was eyes-wide-open and realizing I had work to do fixing the roots before I could plant it.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Rollinia
« on: January 24, 2023, 10:57:00 PM »
New to Rollinia.  Planted seed last year, they have started well but will be waiting many years before I can join the conversation on fruiting.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Potassium Sulfate
« on: January 23, 2023, 05:59:11 PM »

I believe many mango growers use  0-0-50 (potassium sulfate) in granular form.  There are lots of post describing its use and value.  Yours is the first I have seen it applied as a foliar application, interesting. 

I have lots of flowering plants that attract lots of bees.  In my experience from previous seasons, the bees ignore the mango instead busy themselves with the other plants.  I was surprised and pleased to see some bees in the mango canopy this morning.
Flies in past seasons have done most of my mango pollination.  You can expect to find them all over the mango panicles, exclusively visiting mango to the exclusion of everything else.

I will supply any necessary fish carcasses. Pickup only.

Careful, I may take you up on that with a cooler or two to get fish carcasses.  Perhaps not for flies attraction and multiplication but to bury under some trees in the yard, or to make this homemade fish emulsion fertilizer I came across some time ago.

OK, I take it back.  I should have said I had not seen one fly yet!

I was out this morning and it appeared nature was saying "not true, my friend, not true"
Not only did I see flies (not in large numbers yet) but I also saw bees up in the mango canopy instead on the flowers below the tree.  There was even a pair of love bugs.

So I believe I was just a bit early and should wait for the flowers to open before I declare a paucity of pollinators.  The new mantra should be when the flowers open, they will come.

A lingering thought, maybe I don't need dead fish, or perhaps I should hedge my bets. 

New to me late last year were 3 varieties.

1. Beatrice
2. Amy, and
3. Victoria.

I don't know how new these are or were but I had not heard of or had the fruit till late in the season last year.
I ended up sending the Beatrice to a friend who gave it a positive review.  I tried the other two and was very impressed with the Victoria.
I will likely stop by Walter's again this year and try the Victoria and Beatrice to see if they are worth collecting.

So the chill from late December and this past week has started the mango flowering in my yard, Yay!.  There is only one problem, I can't find one fly in my yard.  This would usually be a very pleasing condition but I could use some good mango pollinators right now (or perhaps in two weeks).

I am starting to think I have to go get some fish carcass to strategically place in my yard (so I wont smell it unless the wind blows in the wrong direction).

I expect I will just wait and see if they arrive with the mature panicles.

For those of you in south Florida, what pollinator(s) are you seeing?  Is the temperature right to have decent pollination?  Any strategies or hints on attracting mango pollinators?

By the way, I do have some bees buzzing around and one or two may stray on to a mango but the flies in the past are the major mango pollinators in my yard.

On first read, I thought you said 2 inch diameter and my thought was let that hold fruit.
You said 2 inch girth, which is two thirds of an inch across.  I agree with the general suggestion to let it grow and wait for fruits in the future.

Coldest I saw was 39 degrees but this was after some warming this morning.  May have been 36 or 37 at the coldest.
Better than I expected based on the forecasts.  Now we start a slow climb up,  .... for now.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: All this rain in California
« on: January 14, 2023, 06:54:52 PM »
Wow, 17 inches in 24 hours is huge, wherever one gets it.

Glad you are out of harms way but that must be terrible for the folks who live in town with mud flows and waist high flooding.

I envy your 39, I am looking at 35 or a tad lower.  Brrrrr.
Most potted plants are in.
Not sure there is anything I can do for my Soursops which are in the ground.
All but one of them defoliated over Christmas.  The one that showed some tolerance is very exposed now and will likely take a hit tonight.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / All this rain in California
« on: January 13, 2023, 11:10:56 PM »
Hope you are all doing OK

Is this atmospheric river a drought buster?  Looking for a silver lining.

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2023 Mango Season
« on: January 13, 2023, 06:02:51 PM »
Several trees are breaking bud and flowering already.  I will wait until this current cold spell passes before making an assessment on what the season may be like.

I expect one maybe two more deep drops before spring (after this weekend).  Depending on the timing of those cold spells, it could be boom or bust.

Any thoughts on who was right at this point? Was it Farmer's Alminac or the TV guy?
Interestingly, both conventional and farmers Almanac may be on the same side of this one, on closer examination. ( had a little titbit. 
Typically, a strong La Nina often results in warmer dryer conditions in south Florida over winter.
Apparently we have had two other period in recent history with back to back to back (3 La Nina years in a row), this year being the third occurrence.  The only other two times, third year of La Nina resulted in a reversed trend with colder and wetter winter than normal.
The speaker addresses the effects of La Nina starting at the 20 minute mark on the video and talks bout the observation for a third year of sustained La Nina at the 23:19 mark and the 25:12 mark approximately.

Rekindling this discussion.

Could we have both a warmer than normal winter (above average temperature over the season) and some some really cold event scattered here and there?   Where does this combination of deep cold and warm spells stand with regards to mango and or lychee?

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