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Re: Crazy Stupid SF Bay Area Tropical Experiment
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2016, 12:57:05 AM »
No idea about the variety.  I'm told one (or both?) motels are on El Camino Real.

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« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2016, 02:14:29 AM »
I love the "hunt talk" for fruit trees. Its great reading about all the intel people receive...relatives house, city, directions, street corners, back alleys, etc. I patrol my neighborhood all the time and find all kinds of trees I hadn't noticed before or hadn't had the knowledge of that particular variety before this forum. Happy hunting everyone. Chris
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« Reply #52 on: August 19, 2016, 12:14:11 AM »
A local CRFG member just visited me and showed me pictures of a mango tree growing in front of a motel near Santa Clara University.  The tree looked healthy, probably 10 feet tall and very bushy (maybe as wide as tall), and had many fruits hanging.  He said the Indian family that owns the motel planted the tree quite a number of years back, and gets fruit every year.  He said that there is another motel down the road that also is likely owned by the same family, also with a fruiting mango.  They also have a fruiting Jamun tree.

I visited a place in Palo Alto a few years ago with a 15' tall curry leaf planted by an Indian family. It was absolutely lush and very leafy. I've also spotted a random fruiting wampee tree on the Stanford campus that appears to be thriving for several years despite complete neglect.

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« Reply #53 on: August 23, 2016, 05:32:20 PM »
It's been 3 months since I started this thread, so I'm due for an update. The trees have done great this summer, some better than others. Since it's better to show than to tell, I'm starting a YouTube series that will follow the trees throughout the coming seasons. Here is the opening video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e1e7cxoXeJo

If you don't want to suffer through 5 minutes of me talking, just skip directly to the drone flyover at 1:20 which shows all the trees and how they're planted.

More videos will come soon that look at the individual trees up close and talk about their growth this summer.

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« Reply #54 on: August 23, 2016, 06:37:13 PM »
Just watched that on CA Plants Exchange. Very cool!
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« Reply #55 on: August 24, 2016, 01:59:11 AM »
Joe, that was a very nice presentation as well as a beautiful location. You could by kerosene orchard heaters that would heat that whole area without the blankets, lights, etc. Search "smudge pots"...There is a guy in Idaho that makes some and he has a shield on the top that directs the forced hot air downward thus giving a larger area of coverage per pot. Good luck with your grove. Chris
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« Reply #56 on: August 24, 2016, 09:22:13 AM »
Joe, that was a very nice presentation as well as a beautiful location. You could by kerosene orchard heaters that would heat that whole area without the blankets, lights, etc. Search "smudge pots"...There is a guy in Idaho that makes some and he has a shield on the top that directs the forced hot air downward thus giving a larger area of coverage per pot. Good luck with your grove. Chris

interesting, I've never heard of the smudge pots before. I don't know if that'll be legal to light in a residential neighborhood though lol Maybe Joe can since he has a big yard and his neighbors might not even notice it. Although these small ones look cool though. I wonder how effective one will be place at the base of each tree.

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Re: Crazy Stupid SF Bay Area Tropical Experiment
« Reply #57 on: August 24, 2016, 10:04:02 AM »
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« Reply #58 on: August 24, 2016, 10:05:22 AM »
Joe
Thanks for sharing your video, I really enjoyed it. Good luck and I hope you figure out a way to protect them in winter.

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« Reply #59 on: August 24, 2016, 11:49:36 AM »
Very cool video Joe, wishing great success in you growing!

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« Reply #60 on: March 14, 2017, 06:25:34 PM »
Time for an update. Bottom line is there were a few surprises, but things went mostly as you would expect.

The lowest temperate I recorded was 28F, which happened twice. We had a couple dozen nights in the 30-32F range . Not the coldest winter in terms of lows, but there was a lot of light frost. Worst of all, we had biblical amounts of rain which left the soil waterlogged all winter and may have done more harm than the frost.

I chose not to protect anything because I wanted to find out which trees could survive on their own.

These trees stayed green all winter and have little to no damage:
* Allspice - the biggest surprise. Zero damage on this one!
* Cherry of the Rio Grande - looks like winter never happened
* Jaboticabas (Sabara, Red, Trunciflora, Coronata, Grimal) - Coronata in particular looked lush all winter. The others dropped some leaves but are growing back.
* Cabelluda - lost all leaves but it's already growing back.
* Suriname Cherry - dropped most of its leaves, but that's normal. Growing back now.
* Lucuma - I knocked off like one burned leaf.
* Cherimoya (Booth and El Bumpo)

These trees had minor damage:
* Carambola (Dwarf Hart) - burnt tips only. 90% of leaves held on and stayed green. My second biggest surprise!
* Grumichama - lost 50% of leaves but it's already growing back
* Longan (Kohala) - yep, it's the hardy Longan! Only the outer leaves that were coated in frost turned black.

These trees were burned back significantly but survived:
* Ceylon Cinnamon - looked perfect until mid February and then suddenly half the tree went black. Delayed frost damage I guess.
* Mangos - just one of my six mangos remained somewhat green. The others fared much worse (see below)

These trees dropped all leaves but have some green cambium:
* Mangos - 3 of the six mangos are extra crispy, but the wood seems alive.
* Green Sapote - looked good until late in winter
* Lychee - also looked good until late winter and then suddenly shriveled up
* Bay Rum
* Pitomba
* Black Sapote
* Cedar Bay Cherry - all black leaves but they haven't dried up yet
* Imbe - burned down to the last few inches of the trunk
* Achacha - like Imbe, mostly black and rotting except the very base

These trees died completely (but maybe roots are alive?)
* Wax Jambu - the first ones to go the moment temps dropped below 40.
* Peanut Butter Fruit - shriveled up not long after the Jambus
* Pouteria hypoglauca - held on a little longer
* Longan (Biew Kiew) - obviously Kohala is the one to grow here
* Luc's Garcinia - oh well. it was infanticide to put a 6 inch plant outside anyway
* Cherimoya (Pierce) - I guess Pierce is not the hardiest Cherimoya!
* Mangos (Antonio and Tequila Sunrise) - the "cold hardy" mangos from Tim Thompson. In truth, these died before it even got cold, while my other mangos still looked perfect. Not sure why.

I'm really happy I did this, but this will be the end of my "zone pushing" days. I learned that many Myrtaceaous plants like Jaboticaba can thrive here, so I will replace the dead stuff with these and more temperate fruits. To satisfy my need to grow tropical fruit, I'm buying land in Hawaii and will live there part time. 
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« Reply #61 on: March 14, 2017, 07:19:48 PM »
Why don't you build a greenhouse structure over the area for winter? It was a mild winter for sure. I think the Jabos would die in a once every 10/20 year cold front. It was 19 degrees in San Jose in 1990.

Thanks for sharing your results.

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« Reply #62 on: March 14, 2017, 07:30:59 PM »
Greenhouses are too much trouble. Hawaii is my solution.

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Re: Crazy Stupid SF Bay Area Tropical Experiment
« Reply #63 on: March 14, 2017, 07:45:11 PM »
I hope you continue to post from Hawaii. I am excited for you.
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« Reply #64 on: March 14, 2017, 08:26:18 PM »
I hope you continue to post from Hawaii. I am excited for you.

Thanks! I will probably posting much more often than I have. This is, after all the TROPICAL Fruit Forum, not the Mediterranean Fruit Forum.


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Re: Crazy Stupid SF Bay Area Tropical Experiment
« Reply #65 on: March 15, 2017, 03:04:27 AM »
Thanks for the update. Have fun planning the new orchard !

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« Reply #66 on: March 15, 2017, 01:34:27 PM »
Joe,
  This is Alan.  I met and had a good long talk with you at that exchange in Cerritos a couple months ago.  Anyway, I think this is a fantastic experiment you did with a great video too.  You went all out and found some really interesting results in just one year.  We really need to have more people try these experiments, even if on a much smaller scale than what you did, but document and share the results with everybody.  One of the many things I'm currently trying, and is somewhat the opposite of what you did--I'm trying to figure out which pawpaws grow/fruit the best in SoCal in zone 10b.  I hope you have great success in Hawaii too!
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« Reply #67 on: April 18, 2017, 03:33:14 PM »
Finally got around to making a video showing how the trees look after the winter beatdown: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FSOb4hdF8Q

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« Reply #68 on: April 18, 2017, 06:18:30 PM »
Great experiment and video. I'm a bit surprised you're making it so tough on the trees. I think I would have protected some of them (the ones I really wanted to make it) for a winter or two to let them establish, and then turn them loose.

Another thing I've been experimenting with is "understory" planting for protection. My miracle fruit and luc's garcinia for example are planted under and amongst other trees.

Anyway, good luck and will be watching!
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« Reply #69 on: April 18, 2017, 06:47:38 PM »
Maybe if I had 2 or 3 trees to protect I would have done covered them. Instead I had over 30 trees, some quite tall. Given how many frost events we had this year, that would have made for a very stressful winter. Even if I had saved a few trees, it would have made the claims of cold tolerance harder to sell for those trees that survived.

 

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