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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #25 on: June 04, 2015, 07:03:46 PM »
The same is done in California with Hass mango. There are many versions of Hass, but they all carry the Hass name.

Never heard of Haas mango....did you mean avocado?

Thanks, yes typo. I corrected that. Good thing you caught that Harry or people would think Zill's now has introduced a mango with avocado flavor.  ;)

The same has been done in Florida with Po Pyu Kalay and Haden

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #26 on: June 04, 2015, 07:10:34 PM »
Oscar my point was that a hydrocarbon taint and excess fiber should mean a variety is out the window immediately.That blind taste taste would be a great idea especially with a multicultural judging panel.We might just have to park the KP issue as contraversial and unresolved.

I think the hass avos would do alright in blind taste tests also.Shepard, reed and edranol would also be avocado contenders and that could well shine in a taste pageant.That elusive 'nutty' quality and creamy texture, rather than watery, would sort them out.

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2015, 07:14:35 PM »
KP mango tree produced nicely this year and i've eaten a few of them.
Positive points: nice coloration, totally stringless, no turpentine flavor, nice size.
Negative points: seed very fat and big, flavor very good, but not excellent, production ok but not heavy. Has taken long time to get into decent production.
It has a very mango mango taste, so it's not going to please those people that like watermelon flavored mangoes or lychee flavored mangoes.  ;)
Probably the version of KP we have here is a very early one, not KP176,654.  ;)  So yes this is probably not the same mango being raved about in Australia, but one of its early ancestors.

I think fruitlovers description is not far off the mark. Although I don't know where the "stringless" KP come from, KPs do definately have string. Australia needs to shrug off it's smug self-satisfaction and strive
for a higher quality national mango icon. Regional areas like Florida and Thailand are throwing up exiting new varieties all the time while Australia is seemingly happy to wallow in it's complacency. Australia has more mango growing than both those two places put together. I am up for it, have my 3 Kim Hong seedlings ready to change the taste buds of a naion.

Didn't notice any fiber in the KP's i grew, except right next to the seed. Mine looked like Harry's but were fully colored and yes at optimal ripeness. Like i said before, they were "very good", just not excellent. I honestly don't know how anyone, especially a seasoned fruit grower, can think any one cultivar can stay FOREVER at the top when there are hundreds of cultivars, and more being developed all the time? Even Maha Chanok, Lemon Zest, Coconut Cream, and all the others raved about now will not stay at the top for long. I think most reasonable people recognize this is true? Mangoes are like athletes, even the best can't stay at the top forever. Certainly fruit breeders know this. Otherwise they would throw in the towel once they developed something great. But breeders know no matter how great, you can always improve on your last breeding success.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2015, 07:26:48 PM »
Oscar my point was that a hydrocarbon taint and excess fiber should mean a variety is out the window immediately.That blind taste taste would be a great idea especially with a multicultural judging panel.We might just have to park the KP issue as contraversial and unresolved.

I think the hass avos would do alright in blind taste tests also.Shepard, reed and edranol would also be avocado contenders and that could well shine in a taste pageant.That elusive 'nutty' quality and creamy texture, rather than watery, would sort them out.

The issue can still be resolved. There are mango connoisseurs all over the planet. It's not that hard to fly to Australia during prime KP season and taste them. They maybe couldn't be tasted side by side with many other mangoes, but still i think there are people of American, Australian, and Asian origin that could make a fair and competent assesment. If you have a panel of such people i think it would be quite possible to come to a very good conclusion. This is often done with wine comparisons. There are differences of opinions in taste, but can still come to good conclusions for majority. A blind taste test was done here with Hass avocado, and it did not rate highly compared to some Hawaiian cultivars. Hass was long ago dethroned here.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2015, 07:58:20 PM »
Oscar my point was that a hydrocarbon taint and excess fiber should mean a variety is out the window immediately.That blind taste taste would be a great idea especially with a multicultural judging panel.We might just have to park the KP issue as contraversial and unresolved.

I think the hass avos would do alright in blind taste tests also.Shepard, reed and edranol would also be avocado contenders and that could well shine in a taste pageant.That elusive 'nutty' quality and creamy texture, rather than watery, would sort them out.

The issue can still be resolved. There are mango connoisseurs all over the planet. It's not that hard to fly to Australia during prime KP season and taste them. They maybe couldn't be tasted side by side with many other mangoes, but still i think there are people of American, Australian, and Asian origin that could make a fair and competent assesment. If you have a panel of such people i think it would be quite possible to come to a very good conclusion. This is often done with wine comparisons. There are differences of opinions in taste, but can still come to good conclusions for majority. A blind taste test was done here with Hass avocado, and it did not rate highly compared to some Hawaiian cultivars. Hass was long ago dethroned here.

Overthrown by whom? There? lol give me a break! Hawaiian avocado are mediocre compare to any Hass the only decent avocado from HI in CA is kona sharwill

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2015, 11:01:21 PM »
Sharwill is pretty good as well and I cut mine down because it was too shy a bearer in my climate. I think those blind avo tasters might have a second sense compromised and I wouldn't want them on the mango tasting panel.

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #31 on: June 05, 2015, 01:44:03 AM »
Oscar my point was that a hydrocarbon taint and excess fiber should mean a variety is out the window immediately.That blind taste taste would be a great idea especially with a multicultural judging panel.We might just have to park the KP issue as contraversial and unresolved.

I think the hass avos would do alright in blind taste tests also.Shepard, reed and edranol would also be avocado contenders and that could well shine in a taste pageant.That elusive 'nutty' quality and creamy texture, rather than watery, would sort them out.

The issue can still be resolved. There are mango connoisseurs all over the planet. It's not that hard to fly to Australia during prime KP season and taste them. They maybe couldn't be tasted side by side with many other mangoes, but still i think there are people of American, Australian, and Asian origin that could make a fair and competent assesment. If you have a panel of such people i think it would be quite possible to come to a very good conclusion. This is often done with wine comparisons. There are differences of opinions in taste, but can still come to good conclusions for majority. A blind taste test was done here with Hass avocado, and it did not rate highly compared to some Hawaiian cultivars. Hass was long ago dethroned here.

Overthrown by whom? There? lol give me a break! Hawaiian avocado are mediocre compare to any Hass the only decent avocado from HI in CA is kona sharwill

Maybe that has to do with the fact that Sharwil is the only avocado that will grow in California? Has nothing to do with its quality or with quality of Hawaiian avocado cultivars. And FYI Sharwil is an originally Australian avocado, not really a Hawaiian avocado. My guess is that you've never even tasted a sinlgle Hawaiian cultivar?  ::)
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #32 on: June 05, 2015, 03:46:36 AM »
Yes Oscar from the Brisbane area and Redland I think. Sharwil is getting to be one of the main NSW varieties planted commercially.There is a lack of Floridian and Hawaiin avos in Australia with more Californian types.It would be great to have more with west Indian blood (sap) but it is all Guatemalan.

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #33 on: June 05, 2015, 06:50:44 AM »
Yes Oscar from the Brisbane area and Redland I think. Sharwil is getting to be one of the main NSW varieties planted commercially.There is a lack of Floridian and Hawaiin avos in Australia with more Californian types.It would be great to have more with west Indian blood (sap) but it is all Guatemalan.

Sharwil is the #1 commercial variety here both for in island consumption and for export.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #34 on: June 05, 2015, 07:15:35 AM »
The same is done in California with Hass mango. There are many versions of Hass, but they all carry the Hass name.

Never heard of Haas mango....did you mean avocado?

Thanks, yes typo. I corrected that. Good thing you caught that Harry or people would think Zill's now has introduced a mango with avocado flavor.  ;)

The same has been done in Florida with Po Pyu Kalay and Haden

While I am vaguely aware of a few obscure Cv.s like Davis Haden, I have never heard of other versions of PPK.  LZ is a PPK offspring, and has it's own name.  Maybe squam could chime in and tell me I am wrong.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #35 on: June 05, 2015, 08:05:39 AM »
There probably are better varieties out there than KP, no doubt most of the zills line is. Guy dedicated his  life to creating improved  mango cultivars from what I understand.

That said, I think it Zills were grown commercially in Aus, they would probably be better quality owing to the climate here than what is produced in the US.
« Last Edit: June 05, 2015, 08:18:56 AM by starling1 »

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #36 on: June 05, 2015, 08:10:27 AM »
Jeff - you are always wrong.   Hahahahahaha

I think the LZ and OS are the same process with PPK as is the different Hass varieties in California.   Hell, the Florida Hass is a California Hass seeding that was brought here from California by you know who...

A better comparison are all the different NDMs.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #37 on: June 05, 2015, 08:15:37 AM »
There probably are better varieties out there than KP, no doubt most of the zills line is. Guy has dedicated his entire life to improving mangoes.

That said, I think it Zills were grown commercially in Aus, they would probably be better quality owing to the climate here than what is produced in the US.

It is not just Gary, credit should be given where its due, his father Laurence.  Laurence was more particular with what he proclaimed a new variety.   Also kerpin mind, part of their choosing what varieties to name has to do with sustainability and productiveness here in South Florida.   There are/were many amazing mangoes that wrre either destroyed or not "released" due to not being the right "type" for South Florida.
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #38 on: June 06, 2015, 08:09:43 AM »
There probably are better varieties out there than KP, no doubt most of the zills line is. Guy has dedicated his entire life to improving mangoes.

That said, I think it Zills were grown commercially in Aus, they would probably be better quality owing to the climate here than what is produced in the US.

It is not just Gary, credit should be given where its due, his father Laurence.  Laurence was more particular with what he proclaimed a new variety.   Also kerpin mind, part of their choosing what varieties to name has to do with sustainability and productiveness here in South Florida.   There are/were many amazing mangoes that wrre either destroyed or not "released" due to not being the right "type" for South Florida.

Oscar you keep guessing wrong. First with caimito now with avocado .You need to educate yourself on SoCal before making these ridiculous false statements.

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #39 on: January 28, 2016, 01:13:40 AM »
Never had a KP mango, but eager to try it.
This link:

http://www.freshplaza.com/article/152487/Australian-mango-demand-soars-in-US

give me some of hope to finding this mango at our local markets soon.
Wonder if anyone see this imported Australian mango at their stores and give
a taste evaluation?
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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #40 on: January 28, 2016, 08:00:29 AM »
Might take an educated mango palate to appreciate it.They are hanging in the streets all over the place here.

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Re: Kensington Pride Mango
« Reply #41 on: October 08, 2016, 05:03:59 PM »
Every time I'm tempted to scoff at our Aussie friends for making the KP their default "national" mango, I have to remind myself that the TA in many respects is the default "national" mango here at least commercially. 
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