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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2025, 03:45:16 AM »
Lou,
Siamese Sweet Pummelo in your list - is it Siamese acidless pummelo ?
https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc2240
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2025, 10:29:53 AM »
Lou,
Siamese Sweet Pummelo in your list - is it Siamese acidless pummelo ?
https://citrusvariety.ucr.edu/crc2240

The name we use is the name we get the budwood under so in this case it looks like we got that specific variety from Florida Budwood "Siamese Swt Pum DPI-203-16".  I would however say they are very likely the same variety from 2 different sources as the "Sweet" tends to come from it being less acidic.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2025, 01:32:18 PM »
Could be the same as CRC2240
https://idtools.org/citrus_id/index.cfm?packageID=1179&entityID=8817

"The Chiefland Budwood Facility (2010) provided the following additional notes on the cultivar (clone DPI 203-16): "Greenish white flesh, good juice content and very good taste. Good yields and recommended as one of the better late pummelos.""
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2025, 07:42:01 PM »
Brian,

Great research, I have an xls file that has all of the available fruit pic links and UCR links if you are interested I can email it to you.  I need to write up something for all of these myself so im happy to share the initial parts of my researching phase if it helps yours as well.

Just PM me your email.

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I'd appreciate it!  Just sent you PM.

I will also post it in table form here for others if there's nothing sensitive inside.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #29 on: March 11, 2025, 11:21:55 AM »
Lou, any info on that UF KB-38 finger lime?

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #30 on: March 11, 2025, 12:08:28 PM »
The closest ive gotten is UF KB37 lol   I just fired off an email to someone that may be able to provide some info on KB38, there is nothing publicly available online currently.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #31 on: March 11, 2025, 12:17:22 PM »
Hah did you guys just buy "one of everything!" from suppliers and start grafting?  That is outrageous optimism, I like it

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #32 on: March 11, 2025, 02:20:08 PM »
KxR is this, I think.
Koethen sweet orange x Rubidoux trifoliate orange

https://journals.ashs.org/jashs/downloadpdf/view/journals/jashs/105/4/article-p496.pdf

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #33 on: March 11, 2025, 02:29:12 PM »
The closest ive gotten is UF KB37 lol   I just fired off an email to someone that may be able to provide some info on KB38, there is nothing publicly available online currently.

UF's crop report suggests they grow more KB-38s than KB-37s, but nothing seems to say *what* it is.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #34 on: March 11, 2025, 03:14:23 PM »
Its amazing how many varieties there isnt much info on.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #35 on: March 11, 2025, 03:16:02 PM »
Hah did you guys just buy "one of everything!" from suppliers and start grafting?  That is outrageous optimism, I like it

Hershell often says, the only variety he wants to buy, is the one he doesnt have.  So yes.. this round of budwood was pretty much whatever we didnt have yet that had a name.   He is still a collector at heart :)
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #36 on: March 11, 2025, 08:34:14 PM »
Hah did you guys just buy "one of everything!" from suppliers and start grafting?  That is outrageous optimism, I like it

Hershell often says, the only variety he wants to buy, is the one he doesnt have.  So yes.. this round of budwood was pretty much whatever we didnt have yet that had a name.   He is still a collector at heart :)

Alright, time for all the folks who have made new crosses or grown out seedlings to name their varieties and send them in for clean up. We can't let Hershell rest on his laurels haha

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #37 on: March 13, 2025, 12:20:55 PM »
I will make sure Hershell is aware of this post.  I assume you know but this years Southeastern Citrus Expo will be at Madison, I look forward to meeting you as ive heard quite a bit about you and im sure Hershell will look forward to showing you around!  There is a Southeastern Citrus Expo page on facebook with the dates and event info for those interested in attending.

Thanks to you all for offering so many varieties!
~always looking for budwood~

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #38 on: March 20, 2025, 12:49:38 PM »
Too bad these are inaccessible to me in Texas.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #39 on: April 24, 2025, 04:30:16 PM »
Just because there's so many listed, which of these would be considered top tier "must haves" in your opinion?

Any additional rootstocks that are geared towards growing in the desert and higher pH clay soil?
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #40 on: April 25, 2025, 12:26:14 AM »
Just because there's so many listed, which of these would be considered top tier "must haves" in your opinion?

Any additional rootstocks that are geared towards growing in the desert and higher pH clay soil?

I can ask Hershell tomorrow to see if he is aware of any that may be better suited for higher PH clay soils, ive seen reference to Cleopatra if you are going to be grafting your own trees it may be a good option.

As for top tier must haves it depends so much on your tastes.  Are you looking for lemon, lime, navel, orange, mandarin, kumquat, grapefruit, pummelo, or just odd and interesting?  Theres too many to just rattle all of them off but a solid list of a few of my own favorites: Kishu Mandarin, Shiranui Mandarin, Gold Nugget Mandarin, Sugarbelle, Armstrong Satsuma, Brown Select Satsuma, Cara Cara Navel, Dream Navel, Cameron Lemon, (everyone starts with Meyer Lemon), Persian Lime, Chulo Key Lime (more productive key lime), Crassifolia Kumquat, Fukushu Kumquat, a Limequat, Genetic Dwarf Grapefruit, (Golden Grapefruit when we release it), Tarocco Blood Orange, Hamlin Sweet Orange, US119, Chandler Pummelo or Tahitian Pummelo and for fun ones I like Vaniglia Sanguino Acidless Sweet Orange, US942 (shockingly good when ripe) New Zealand Lemonade, Sanbokan, Australian Red Pulp Finger Lime.

There are more of course but thats a relatively solid general list.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #41 on: April 25, 2025, 10:17:35 PM »
Can you tell us more about the Cameron lemon?

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #42 on: April 28, 2025, 04:20:45 PM »
Can you tell us more about the Cameron lemon?

We acquired the certified budwood from FL and as with that there is typically no information about the background of the variety.  So what I can share is our experience.  Its a great grower that is productive, the fruit are smaller, maybe the size of a medium grocery store lime, they are juicy, not overly seedy and have a true lemon flavor.  A couple reasons I recommend them is smaller fruit seems to work well in containers for balance and productivity.  I also tend to always have half a lemon left over when I use lemons so to me its nice that I typically use the whole fruit and not have to waste or toss half in the fridge.  I wish I knew more of its history but there isnt much out there.  The fruit is pretty though: https://madisoncitrusnursery.com/cdn/shop/products/CameronLemon_1024x1024@2x.jpg
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #43 on: April 28, 2025, 10:40:47 PM »
Thanks for the info. I wonder if anyone has it in Florida for sale.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #44 on: May 16, 2025, 02:46:19 PM »
What is the Morton US 1-3?

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« Reply #45 on: May 16, 2025, 11:10:56 PM »
Probably just a regular Morton citrange, perhaps the Florida budwood program has it under that name

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #46 on: May 19, 2025, 10:12:09 AM »
Probably just a regular Morton citrange, perhaps the Florida budwood program has it under that name

That's basically what I'm trying to confirm.

*edit* Heard from Madison -- apparently this is Morton citrange.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #47 on: May 19, 2025, 10:27:22 PM »
Madison are unusual among nurseries in that they are very, very reluctant to say anything about a variety unless their budwood source says the same or they've experienced it first hand themselves.

To my mind it's a plus, even if it does mean having little to no idea what on earth a bunch of their new stuff even is. Who's even heard of Sundiatgo US for example.

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« Reply #48 on: May 21, 2025, 03:49:36 PM »
Madison are unusual among nurseries in that they are very, very reluctant to say anything about a variety unless their budwood source says the same or they've experienced it first hand themselves.

To my mind it's a plus, even if it does mean having little to no idea what on earth a bunch of their new stuff even is. Who's even heard of Sundiatgo US for example.

They are also willing to go back and interrogate the budwood source on why exactly they named it whatever they named it as.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #49 on: May 28, 2025, 02:00:51 PM »
Madison does it right