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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 17, 2026, 10:34:23 PM »
When you said it was a perennial, I was thinking that it grew year round for you. Bele is supposedly more closely related to okra than Cranberry Hibiscus (Hibiscus acetoaella) and hybrids with okra have been created. Apparently they are sterile unless they undergo chromosome doubling, though. I would give Rose of Sharon a try. I got okra to take on Caesar Weed (Urena lobata) which seem more distantly related (the graft took but it did not grow strongly--I might try it again some time). I think there is a "line in the sand, though, with the true woody hibiscus shrubs like H. Rosa-sinensis (I tried a couple on Cranberry Hibiscus and they failed).

I agree with you regarding the quick bolting. The nice thing about Komatsuna is that it is semi-bienial. So, it flowers here, but it is very late in the season.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: How long do papayas take from seed?
« on: January 17, 2026, 07:54:32 PM »
Probably on the other side of summer going into fall.

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Two weeks later, it appears that most of the black has disappeared. We’ve been in a two week Santa Ana or it’s been very dry and warm and it looks like another week or so to go. Thanks for all the advice.

Sounds like sooty mold. Not sure if that is a thing in California.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Clipping thorns off citrus trees.
« on: January 17, 2026, 07:49:09 PM »
We had several seedling kumquats when I was a kid. The trunks were about as big as my thumb and very thorny. The tops where the fruit was have minimal thorns. I trimmed all the thorns off the trunks of several and it did no harm. Those trees were much easier to pick.

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Galatians, maybe it was an advective freeze event and the wind modified the air passing over swampy ground warmed the trees nearby too.

I think that is exactly what happened.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 17, 2026, 07:38:48 PM »
If you like Yod Fah, Purple Hon Tsai Tai is also one of my favorites and it has beautiful purple stems.

My favorite mustard green is Ho-Mi-Z, mature leaves are beautiful with dark purple and green and it's the best tasting that I have tried.  It's spicy but also has a sweet aftertaste.  One year when I was cutting back the large flowering stalks, I noticed the inside of the stalk looked tender so peeled the outer layer and found it to be one of the best tasting vegetables for stir fry and also good raw.

Best tasting collard green is an heirloom variety from North Carolina named Yellow Cabbage Collard.  Cascade Glaze collard is a unique collard green with shiny waxy coating.

My top heat tolerant lettuces:  Italienischer, Cougar Batavian, and 2 Frank Morten varieties, Jester and Icy Oak. 

With all my lettuce trials I found that I prefer growing open head lettuces that I can harvest from over a long season.  Some of the heading lettuce tasted good but it was hard to control slugs hiding inside and all that time to harvest one head wasn't worth it for me in my small home garden.  With the open head lettuce varieties, instead of just harvesting the outer leaves for salad, I harvest from the young center leaves.  As the plant matures the center leaves continue to have crisp texture and good taste even when the leaves are small and the larger outer leaves keep feeding the plant.  I also found when the lettuce starts to go to seed they will grow several feet tall and the leaves can still be harvested as good cooking greens.  They are excellent green for soups and stews. A can harvest for several months from a single lettuce plant.

Sea kale, Crambe maritima, make gourmet greens easier than belgian endive.  This is effortless to grow.  I grow them in pots, they go dormant in winter.  Before spring growth I cover the top of the pot with a black fabric pot to exclude light.  The new growth is tender white with beautiful pinkish purple leaves.  Makes a fine dining restaurant quality salad.  The leaves during the regular season that get sunlight can be used as a cooking green.

I also have greens that are my own breeding selections that I've worked on for around 15 years from crosses of my favorite brassicas.

Janet

Wonderful information! I am hoping to grow Piracicaba Broccoli next year. I would like to cross it with the Gai Lan to create a seed savers B. Oleracea for Florida. I am growing Old Tokyo Komatsuna and Toy Choy Pak Choy. I hope to make a cross between the two that will keep the eating quality of the Toy Choy without bolting so quickly. I am on my F2 generation of a lettuce hybrid between Queensland (a heat tolerant open head cos type) and Red Romaine. I am calling it Sunkiss. Everyone tells me that the flavor is excellent. I plan to select for the red/bronze color now.

I wonder how a "tree okra" would do grafted onto Bele. I have grafted okra to Cranberry Hibiscus several time with ease, but the Clemson Spineless that I was growing seems to die out after it fruits a couple times. I was hoping that grafting would solve that, but it did not. I think I need a longer lived variety like Nkruma Tenten.

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I've watched frost pockets for years and know where many of them are around my yard and my Dad's property. I had never thought about fog being an indicator, though. That is a handy tip when looking at a new property or predicting frost pockets.

On a related note, a good friend used to work in a grove related business. He mentioned that one of the groves he visited frequently had a lot of topography and frequently had freeze damage on the trees down hill by the swamp. One year they had a particularly cold snap, though, and that was the only part of the grave that survived. 🤔 Sometimes strange things happen. I wonder if those trees had gone dormant from the consistently greater cold and were not as harmed as a result.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 16, 2026, 11:00:00 PM »
I have so much to share on this thread! 

I feel like I’ve trialed all the edible greens and most annual vegetables offered by Baker Creek, Kitazawa, Seed Savers exchange and many other regional catalogs and independent specialty growers.  I trialed all the root crops offered by Cultivariable before he stopped selling most of his offerings and most vegetables bred by Dr. Alan Kapuler (Peace Seeds).  Sand Hill Preservation Center is also a great source of heirloom seeds, root crops, and heritage poultry breeds.

I finally have narrowed down my garlic to 2 varieties after trialing over 50, including specialty varieties from all over the world, in the last decade.  I needed a variety that could produce in my cool coastal climate over a short season and have good keeping qualities. 

I have many of my own breeding projects and selections as well.  I lost my phone and a lot of photos, need to go back and see which ones were saved on my computer.

Galatians522, Gai Lan is one of my favorites and I consider Bele to be one of the best perennial greens.  I removed longevity spinach because I didn’t eat it after I started growing Bele.  Peace Seedlings (Dr Alan Alan Kapuler’s daughter’s seed company) is a great source for peas in many colors, some hypertendril.  They’ve done a lot of breeding and selection for edible podded peas.

Bele in my garden, one has burgundy new leaves and beautiful variegation, it gets some grasshopper damage.  The other has dark green mature leaves with beautiful red stems.











Janet

Janet, that is some beautiful okra and bele. I'd be interested to hear your thoughts on the greens that you grew.

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Ron, the only good thing about the lychee mite is that it is pretty host specific. It should not impact your loquat trees at all. The only other species I have ever heard of being infected by the lychee mite is longan. It is closely enough related to lychee that the mite will attack it if it is near lychee. However, experts have speculated that the mite is not able to reproduce on longan. So, stand alone longans are probably safe.

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That is based on how much your graft grows. I have seen some 2 year trees that were large enough, but it is probably wise to wait for the 3rd year.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 12, 2026, 09:33:33 PM »
Thank! They came out nice this year. I gave them plenty of water and fertilizer, but 0 sprays so far.  I harvested every other plant after the picture for greens. They do make a nice substitute for collard greens. I froze a bunch. Way more than we could eat.

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I would not let them hold fruit the first year after grafting. That could potentially stunt the tree and since both have heavy fruits there is the potential for the graft to break from the weight.

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Hopefully they live up to the hype and become available stateside.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 11, 2026, 04:32:46 PM »
Some of the Chinese Broccoli


 

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 11, 2026, 07:40:16 AM »
I have started Roselle as early as January in starter plugs and direct down as late as early May. They won't bloom until they get the proper day length, so early started plants are bigger with more of a harvest. When I started them in January I only had 6 seeds. I gave 2 away and the remaining 4 plants grew to be almost 8' tall and kept me very busy. I like the starter trays if I am going early because I can keep the seed warm for good germination.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 10, 2026, 07:41:28 PM »
Growing cranberry hibiscus and sorrel. The leaves are tasty (both, especially cranberry), and sometimes make tea from the calyxes (sorrel).

It's quite a bit of work, but you should try candying the calyxes next year. I boil them in a simple sugar syrup until clear and then let them cool in the syrup. After that you drain and dehydrate. They come out like crasins! The syrup makes a great concentrate for tea, too.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 10, 2026, 07:39:01 PM »
I am growing purple sweet potatoes, moringa, Tongan spinach, Chaya, kangkong, and a few squash  varieties. I live in a dry lowlands area and have been trying different varieties of leafy greens for a few years now and have finally found some success.

Sounds like a good line up. I have been contemplating Tongan spinach (Bele) for a while.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 10, 2026, 07:37:09 PM »
I am going big on fruiting solanums this year (tomatoes, peppers, eggplants and various edible nightshades). My pigeon peas are all mostly in there 2nd year, and I eat them both green amd dried (I blanch and freeze thee greens if I don't eat them fresh). Its brasica season, but I still haven't had any luck with anything but mustards and collards. The rest just don't seem to grow, from seed or from starts, in ground or raised beds. I do have some kolrabi doing very well though. My carrots and magnolia peas are growing well, planting sugar peas this weekend.
In spring, in addition to my nightshades, I am also going to be putting on a good amount of Egyptian Spinach. That stuff is super tasty. Lots of squash and melons to trial this year as well.

For basically, I prefer direct seeding in October/November. I planted more about a week ago, we'll see how they do. I think anything in the bok choy family transplants well for me, but the kale/cabbage side of the family seems to can wilt and get set back unless the weather is just right. I have really been having good success with Chinese Broccoli as a collards substitute. I can save my own seed and grow as much as I want. I keep selecting for the late bloomers. I also have had good success with Komatsuna. Baker Creek sent me a packet of free seed a while back and I have been growing it ever since. It's basically an Asian turnip green. It is a semi-bienial. So, unlike bok Choy it grows for a long time before bolting.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 08, 2026, 09:56:02 PM »
Growing some small tomatoes (including Everglades), various peppers, wing beans, moringa, beets, parsley, pigeon peas, hibiscus, carrots, onions, and gotta bunch of old seeds I need to toss in a pot or the yard.

That sounds like lots of fun! Are you talking about the edible lead hibiscus also known as bele or just the regular flowering kind?

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 08, 2026, 09:53:18 PM »
I grew a new to me Cowper last Summer that I was very impressed with. The variety is "mavuno". Very productive and rampant. I got it from Cody Five farm. I will continue growing this one. D

Glad to hear that it's doing well for you. I tried some Zipper Cream peas that were supposedly nematode resistant only to find that they certainly were not resistant in my garden.  :(

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 tropical fruit & fruit goals
« on: January 04, 2026, 11:31:43 AM »
Early morning posting mistake🤣

It's ok, I started a What's Growing 2026 thread in the vegetables section so that we can talk about your melon project over there. Excited to see how it goes.👍🏻

On the fruit side, I am a dozen grafts in on my goals for the year. Hopefully I get good % of takes. 😁


Central Florida is subtropic South Florida is Tropic any fruit we grow is tropical in my book. I think it's a gray area somebody had to make a decision or an opinion. With that being said we've discussed Citrus muscadine grapes  about everything other than rhubarb. I forgot I plant Two melons per pot So I'm Four melons short. So I decided to plant 4 Tritons so I can compare to Athens which I'm completely satisfied with performance and flavor.Triton has a smaller seed cavity so worthy of comparison.

The 'Triton' cantaloupe is a popular, delicious, disease-resistant hybrid known for its good storage life, firm orange flesh, smaller seed cavity, and sweet flavor, making it a favorite for both commercial growers and home gardeners seeking reliability and quality. It offers excellent handling and crack tolerance, along with resistance to Fusarium wilt and powdery mildew, making it a robust choice compared to traditional varieties like 'Athena

This is the only forum group I post on so throw me out with the baby and the bathwater.🤣

I guess I misinterpreted what you were saying was a mistake. As long as we are talking about melons, I ordered seeds for Chou Cheh Red watermelon. It's probably about time to start them growing. One advantage to watermelon is the resistance to pickle worms.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 tropical fruit & fruit goals
« on: January 04, 2026, 07:40:31 AM »
Early morning posting mistake🤣

It's ok, I started a What's Growing 2026 thread in the vegetables section so that we can talk about your melon project over there. Excited to see how it goes.👍🏻

On the fruit side, I am a dozen grafts in on my goals for the year. Hopefully I get good % of takes. 😁

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / What's Growing 2026
« on: January 04, 2026, 07:37:25 AM »
Hey everyone, I want to see if we could get some more discussion going over here on the vegetable section. Let's talk about what we are growing in the garden! I'll start.

I've been having a lot of success the past couple seasons with growing Gai Lan (Chinese Broccoli/Kale) over the cold season. I am growing the Yad Fah variety from Thailand. Gai Lan is very similar to kale/collards when cut young and cooked as a green. It does not seem to have major pest or disease problems here when grown over the cool season.

I'm also growing a Lettuce hybrid that I produced myself of the heat tolerant Queensland and a Red Romaine. This is the F2 generation and I am getting everything from all green to nearly full red. I plan to call the variety Sun Kiss.

Also growing Snow peas, Pak Choi, and Komatsuna. Carrots sadly suffered a rabbit attack and then foliar disease. I should have rotated my planting site. There will be a few, but nothing like last year.

Hopefully Bovine will give us an update on his mellon project.

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Unfortunately, I don't have any experience with what roses grow in Southern California. However, I do have a recommendation that may help you in your search. The Antique Rose Emporium has a very nice website with filters that should help you get what you are looking for (they even have a filter that allows you to see only roses that produce hips). They are based in Texas. So, they should have a similar climate to Southern California. A friend has ordered roses from them in the past that are no spray even in Florida!
 
https://www.antiqueroseemporium.com/?srsltid=AfmBOorm_mjJyPjQj4lRawbyLUeggtZe3enHXCJvD2IbPhOmE5AGZ8Pa

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 tropical fruit & fruit goals
« on: January 02, 2026, 10:49:16 PM »
...He also has some stone fruit that he wants me to graft. I may try a Capulin to Cherry Laurel just for the fun of it.
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Hi Galatians522. I have a cherry laurel and I have been thinking about the same thing. Questions:
1. Have you heard of anyone having success with this?
2. Where would you get the budwood?
3. Have you heard of anyone else having success, grafting other stone fruit, like peaches or plums onto the cherry Laurel?
4. The cherry laurel is toxic. Any concerns about putting something edible on top of it?

1. No, I have not. That is why I am experimenting with it.  ;D
2. From a friend on TFF of course!
3. No, actually quite the opposite. I read an old paper once where they tried several stonefruit varieties and were unsuccessful. Some of the grafts appeared to take at first, but they all ended in failure. Capulin was not on that list, by the way
4. That might be a concern. However, the toxin in Prunus is bitter. So, if the fruits are bitter I will know not to eat them. However, I probably will not have to worry about that problem since it is doubtful that the grafts will take. Actually, a better match would be Catalina Island Cherry if I were really trying to graft something on Cherry Laurel that I could eat.

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