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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Post Your 2026 Grafting
« on: January 30, 2026, 10:32:07 PM »
The mulberry top work project year 2. The long shoots are last years grafts--DMOR 9, Bryce's World's Best, Australian Green, and Himilayan FSP. Grafting Pakistani (Black), Siam Jumbo, and Skinner this year. Skinner pushed too early last year and did not take. Hopefully they make it through the cold.



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cold-hardness?
« on: January 30, 2026, 02:30:04 PM »
For the record, wind chill has a minimal effect on plants. Now, wet bulb temperature that can be a factor if you are using water for freeze protection.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: White sapote cold-hardness?
« on: January 30, 2026, 07:11:06 AM »
My Dad's ~10' white sapote was not bothered by a brief dip into the high 20s earlier this year. It is probably in one if the coldest spots in his property. Longan trees nearby got some leaf burn.

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Thank you both for the responses! Kaz, assuming I can identify my rootstock or at least have some faith the mandarins would take, I will consult your list when I order budwood.

Is this the table you were referring to Kaz? https://growingfruit.org/t/subtropical-citrus-graft-compatibility-incompatibility-charts/17311

Here are some more pictures of the tree in case it’s obvious to anyone what it is…










That does look like a Key Lime to me from the pictures. I have never thought of Key Lime as bitter, though. I really couldn't find much on compatibility for key lime. Maybe try a couple different varieties in case one is not a good combination.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land recommendations for south Florida
« on: January 29, 2026, 07:07:55 AM »
If you're going to get land make sure you can get a job or have that taken care of close enough... Due to AI, I no longer have a hirable skill set, am consigned to manual labor jobs due to lack of connections, and therefore will never have the means to so much own a greenhouse and my big lofty almost-impossible audacious "American Dream" is owning a trailer on an acreage of rocky land. Anywhere I could get land, there doesn't seem to be any jobs anywhere anymore to support the costs of owning it. Land may be relatively "cheap" but there may be no work anywhere nearby ...

I've thought about this topic a lot myself and I concluded FL was out the the picture for my situation. Good luck, let us hope property prices crash and some baby boomers are forced to sell a third or fourth home ... Property prices are insane... This should not be acceptable...

That is a real bummer man. I know this is off topic, and I apologize, but I have this terrible habit of actually caring about people.  :P  I have thought about what I would do if my job were no longer necessary. Two jobs that have surprisingly good pay with minimal training are CDL driving and Lineman work for the electric company. One of my co-workers has a son who went into long haul trucking. He works some long hours when he is on, but can make what I would call good money. Linemen start at about $70k--however, there is the risk of being killed every day if you do something dumb. As a last ditch option I would apply for work as a waiter at a good restaurant--they always need help and the total pay package can be surprisingly good, but you have to be good with people and have a good establishment to work for. All the best to you man.

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The weather this year certainly has not been cooperative, but this is the weather I remember from when I was a kid--2 freezes average and half a dozen frost events. I remember an entire week when we never got above 60. I've gotten very spoiled the last couple years when everything was perfect.  :P

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My first recommendation is to try and find out what your rootstock is. Some mandarins are not compatible with particular rootstocks (Murcott on Swingle for example). There are some pretty sharp people on here who might be able to help you identify the tree of you post pictures of the fruit and tree

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It's more the anacondas that worry me. They got that big one over in Hardee county a few years ago. There's always a bright side to everything.  ;D maybe this cold will kill off mites and wevils. 😜

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I dug up ten trees, threw them in pots, and brought them indoors. Will probably dig up a couple more. For the big trees, may wrap frost cloth around the trunks to try and save part of them. So frustrating, as so many seedling trees are flowering now (Gift Horse, Peach Cobbler, Pim Seng Mun, Sweet Tart, Madame Francis). Didn't have the foresight to make back ups of them except for Gift Horse. I expect to lose a lot of stuff and have a yard that looks completely different after this week. Good luck to all!
Yeah tomorrow I'm going to dig up Venus and pina colada. I'll make sure to take my Flintstone vitamins. Yabba dabba doo!
The last act of the day was to go over to Gunn Road and pick up this insurance mango Super Julie
 
I've hit the bunk I'm exhausted


Only Bovine would buy a mango tree with lows predicted in the 20s. Although, now that I think of it that was really smart because a few weeks after the freeze they will be hard to find...

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Sam, I know the guy selling it in West Covina, never went there yet but will in another month to checkout some of the other fruit trees he has. There's no way you will get scions cheap since most peoples tree is too small That price you see is for a small grafted 2yr old tree, who would cut off the scions to sell it cheap.

If you want some scions from the huge tree I know of, then just send me a message and we can negotiate a trade anytime. I just texted the guy to see if had any ripe fruits for me but he didn't. I did see many fruits on the tree, and I tasted it, but they were still half the size of the photo I showed above. I do like the taste of the Tao Dai Mat but not planning to take any scions to share yet, it is not large enough.

Hey Kaz, it's not so much the cost of the grafted tree (which is probably pretty fair to be honest). It's the shipping cost for mailing a 3 gallon tree to Florida.  :o Mailing scions would be much more practical and if they were grafted to a mature tree would probably make a tree quicker. I may take you up on the scions from the old tree some time. What I really want is a jujube hybrid that is half way between the Thai Giant and Chinese Jujube--sweetness, cold tolerance, and chill requirement. That would make a good crop for us here in Central Florida that could help replace our dying citrus groves.  :(

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The ultimate Insurance mango tree Que Sera Sera.

Let me know if you get fruit from that one. Seems like I have been growing it for years. Lol!

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Found this--Facebook Marketplace in West Covina, CA. It may even be legit.  ;D

Lol, do you want to be the guinea pig to see if it's legit?

I'm interested, but I don't know enough about the variety to determine if it is worth the risk. Seems like scions would be a better way to go, though.  I've heard that there is a triploid hybrid between the Indian and Chinese Jujube in China. That I would pay $80 for in a heartbeat.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« on: January 26, 2026, 08:13:24 PM »
Looks like there is a misleading information in that bulettin from 1939. It states, that it was imported from Japan
together with cultivars as Delicious and Seedless. But such cultivar names are unknown in Japan.
I found, that such names are in C. A. Nobellius & Sons Nursery Catalogue 1931 from Australia.
It looks like those trees were imported from Australia.
Catalogue stated:



P.S. after field observation Russians came to conclusion that Delicious is quite identical to Jiro.

Maybe the "Seedless" is Tanenashi. I think that is what the name means in Japanese. It is a large, fairly dry, astringent fruit of moderate quality that almost never has any seeds and sets heavy crops. It is used mostly for drying.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Russian Cherry Hybrids
« on: January 26, 2026, 08:10:37 PM »
Thank you for the link to this publication. The Dresden-Pilnitz site belongs to the Julius Kühn Institute. There is no information about this on their website:
https://www.julius-kuehn.de/dresden-pillnitz (or also https://www.deutsche-genbank-obst.de/).

It might be interesting to visit the experimental fields for example, during cherry ripening season. I don't know if this is possible or if any material is available:
https://www.julius-kuehn.de/vf/versuchsflaechen-dresden-pillnitz


Their brochure "Pillnitz Fruit Varieties & Rootstocks" is showing only three interspecific Prunus hybrids are listed, which are identified only as rootstocks:

Piku 4 Prunus cerasus x P. Kursar (P. kurilensis x P. sargentii)
Piku 1 Prunus avium x (P. canescens x P. tomentosa)
Piku 3 Prunus pseudocerasus x (P. canescens x P. incisa)

https://www.julius-kuehn.de/media/Veroeffentlichungen/Flyer/PillnitzerObstsortenbroschuere.pdf

Very interesting, I will have to read through the links. Seeing tomentosa in the parentage is surprising since it is usually thought to be more plum like than cherry.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto pond apples Annona glabra
« on: January 26, 2026, 08:01:21 PM »
It would probably be prudent to wait at least until the current cold snap ends before doing any annona grafting.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Grafting onto pond apples Annona glabra
« on: January 25, 2026, 10:08:13 PM »
Probably you best option for long term compatibility is to graft Painter's Cherilata and then top work that. To whatever you want.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Re: Russian Cherry Hybrids
« on: January 23, 2026, 06:28:41 AM »
I have read that article. It seemed very intriguing--particularly the descriptions of the varieties. Probably the most commonly available Cerapadus hybrid is Krymsk 6 which is 25% Amur Cherry. There are also many interesting cherry hybrids coming out of Dresden-Pillnitz. A number of those would qualify as cerapadus or padadocerus. The 2023 article below indicated that they have been released.

https://cherrytimes.it/en/news/Interspecific-hybrids-as-new-sources-for-sweet-and-sour-cherry-breeding

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Salix floridana
« on: January 22, 2026, 06:41:41 PM »
Yes, it grows great in central Florida . They are all along the Kissimmee River. Bees love them. They are one of the first things to bloom. I have been walking in the marsh along the river when there were thousands of them  in the willows and it sounds like an airport.

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Temperate Fruit Discussion / Russian Cherry Hybrids
« on: January 21, 2026, 08:52:08 PM »
Does anyone have any experience with cerapadus or padocerus cherry hybrids?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Jujube Branch Breakers.
« on: January 19, 2026, 07:42:17 PM »
Sounds like I need to watch this. My Dad's Thai Jujube on produced a handful of fruit this year. Can't prune it too low, though because of deer pressure. Someone should be selling these to Florida hunters for food plots.

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Tropical Vegetables and Other Edibles / Re: What's Growing 2026
« on: January 19, 2026, 07:32:35 PM »
I've been growing loroco for a few years and I really enjoy the unopened flowers.  It is a perennial vining plant that does well in partial sun for me.  I also grow/enjoy banana peppers that ripen (red) as it develops a rich flavor. Also, the plants do not seem prone to diseases. 
I have grown Bele (variegated) and it grew tall and had to be constantly pruned for a
few uears and then it rotted. I didn`t replant as I never used the leaves.
Thanks for the information on using cranberry hibiscus as once you have one you will always have some :)

I had never heard of Loroco and had to look it up. How do you use it?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Land recommendations for south Florida
« on: January 19, 2026, 07:44:14 AM »
I mentioned this last time you posted, but Indian Town might be a good place to check. It's 35 where I am at this morning with light frost. It's 42 in Indian Town--same temp as PSL. Might be a good compromise between economy and frost free.

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I really wish there was a similar program for all the USDA collections. I think that would be a good way for them to get funding for maintaining the germplasm.

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I think the hoar frost is when humidity and temperature align to slowly and steadily precipitate water out of the air to make frost sculptures. I have not seen it much in Florida, but relatives up north have sent me pictures.

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