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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Arctic blast recovery 2026
« on: February 14, 2026, 08:27:35 PM »
The two worst looking trees(plenty of candidates) are an Edward and an Orange Essence tree, I decided to cut them back as an experiment to see if it makes a difference. Nothing I cut looked alive

You can clearly see the rough shape they are in from the trunk photo







In my experience, sap oozing from trunk or branches means that part of the tree is dead. It's possible that something is still alive down at ground level, but even that is questionable. 😞

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Arctic blast recovery 2026
« on: February 14, 2026, 07:21:32 PM »
The seedlings are a known outlier. That is actually how the Pickering mango was selected in one of the Zill's groves as I recall. However, it was discovered to not be significantly more hardy than other mangos once it matured. The fruit is great, though. 😆

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fallen immature coconuts
« on: February 14, 2026, 07:17:32 PM »
There is probably a Vietnamese dish that uses them and tastes amazing--whether they are actually edible or not. 🤣

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I used to grow Scarlett Beauty plum as well as quite a few different kinds of peaches and nectarines. The Scarlet Beauty plum fruited *very* well with no other pollinator plum present. The fruit were quite small but I enjoyed them.

With the peaches and nectarines knowing the minimum chill hours is important. I grew some higher chill required varieties and while I got some fruit from them (really liked UF Snow in particular), they definitely didn’t fruit as well as the UF Suns, Florida Prince etc.

 in central Florida I’d imagine they’d fruit better but would still expect some oscillation in crop sizes depending on the individual winter.

Fruit size and tree health for Scarlet Beauty is better on native plum roots. Unfortunately, most trees that are sold are grafted on peach rootstock. Un-thinned fruits are about golf ball size. I'm not sure how large you could push them if they were aggressively thinned. I'd be happy to send you budwood when you have rootstock. A dear friend of mine who just turned 90 has connections to Ronald Lambert's family (the breeder). A lot of info online says that he was from Wauchula, but he was really from Lemon Grove (it's just that most people who are not from Hardee County would have no idea where that is). I need to follow up with Ronald's son to see if he can tell me anything more about his dad's breeding work.

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Brogdon definitely seems to be the way to go, with avocados, for cold tolerance.

My Mexicola also did not fully defoliate and seems very cold hardy, but took some damage.

I knew Brogdon was hardy, but hearing that it took less damage than Mexicola is wild!

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Fallen immature coconuts
« on: February 14, 2026, 06:51:46 PM »
I don't think that is going to grow unless you happen to have a tissue culture lab set up in you garage. Not sure in the edibility part

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Mango Season 2026
« on: February 14, 2026, 06:47:50 PM »
Worst case will we have any luck cutting trunk as a top work?
Pruned more today & all brown.  Hurts ugh.  Can't look at their old baby pictures.

Yes, even if the whole tree has to be cut down to the ground the rootstock will still be large and vigorous. The only exception is if the trunk split. In that case even the roots are probably dead. I don't think most people got that cold this time.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 Cold Weather [Megathread]
« on: February 13, 2026, 10:31:46 PM »
If a tree is too large to cover or enclose, will wrapping the bottom trunk only, and/or some bottom branches with a heat source be enough to keep the tree alive if a large portion of the tree is unprotected?  Most times the trunk and roots are the most important parts to protect?

Yes, but expect everything above the wrap to die.

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Neither White Sapote nor Black Sapote turned out to be as cold tolerant as I was led to believe.

I had a lot of cold damage and the best adapted trees were: Loquat, Jaboticaba, Brogdon Avocado, Pineapple Guava, Strawberry Guava (lemon too?), citrus and Sapodilla. Grumichama and Surinam Cherry were both borderline. Pineapple was pretty safe too.

I've heard Marcus Pumpkin avocado touted as a cold tolerant variety, but it took as much damage as Simmonds.



I think one issue with White Sapote (like citrus) is the tree's level of dormancy. Cold tolerance is greatly reduced when the tree is actively growing. My jabo is losing all its leaves and the fruit/flowers it had set, but it has buds for a nice flush and the tree will live.

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I thought it might be good to start a thread about hardy replacements for people who have lost Mango trees in the freeze. I realize that nothing can truly take the place of a good Mango, but having some cold-hardy trees that you don't have to worry about sure makes it easier to deal with a freeze. Here is my list, I hope others chime in:

1. Tropic Beauty Peach
Pros: Fast growing, quick bearing, low chill, excellent flavor, probably the closest thing to a hardy mango
Cons: Short lived (typically about 10 years), needs to be pruned/thinned, plum curculio

2. Scarlet Beauty Plum
Pros: low chill, excellent flavor when tree ripe, self fertile, disease resistant
Cons: plum curculio, requires pruning for best production (can alternate bear if not pruned), the peach rootstock commonly used in the nursery trade shortens tree life

3. Mulberries
Pros: very few disease issues, fast growing, high production, many variety choices with a range of flavors and seasons
Cons: some of the best varieties need grafted to nematode resistant rootstock, extra early varieties like Thai Dwarf can lose their crop in a freeze, birds love the fruit, deer love the leaves

4. Loquats
Pros: this is a better fruit than people realize, lots of great homemade products can be made from the fruit (dehydrated loquats are a personal favorite of mine)
Cons: fire blight, poor shelf life, Caribbean fruit fly can be an issue in some areas

5. Muscadine Grapes (and possibly some bunch grapes like Tari's Burgundy or Lake Emerald)
Pros: the Supreme and Ison varieties that I have grown for many years are resistant to almost everything--bugs, disease, heat, cold, drought, flooding, and hurricanes, new seedless varieties look interesting
Cons: Thick skins and seeds that need to be spit out are an issue for some, some of the best varieties need a pollinator (Supreme), racoons will eat everything if they find you, needs a trellis or arbor to climb

6. Yangmei
Pros: Can be grafted to wax myrtle (low input requirements), cold hardy?, high value crop
Cons: High price of plants, low availability for the high priced plants, unknown cultivar adaptation to Central Florida conditions (based on the range in China something will work here the question is what?), most bmvarieties need a pollinator, hard to graft

7. Sugarcane
Pros: the juice is great, easy to grow, high yielding, easy to propagate, bedded stubble can go through some some extreme cold, flood tolerant, surplus can be made into cane syrup
Cons: can be a bit labor intensive to harvest and process, cane juicers are expensive, needs lots of water (fertilizer helps, too)

8. Figs
Pros: excellent flavor for some varieties that I have tried (White Madeira #1 was tasty and is reported to be productive), quick to produce, can produce multiple crops per year
Cons: nematodes (progress is being made), open eye fruits can split or rot in wet weather,
Fig rust, must be dormant to be cold hardy, not all varieties are delectable and productive

9. Persimmons
Pros: can be grafted to Florida native roots, several varieties seem to do well here in central Florida--I have received reports from friends that Hudson, Fuyu (non-astringent), and Rosseyanka (which is a hybrid between the Asian and American persimmon) do well here in Central Florida
Cons: astringency, many varieties are dwarfed on American persimmon rootstock (maybe this is a pro?), some disease issues, some people do not like the texture

10. Blackberries (and Mysore raspberries?)
Pros: easy to grow and propagate, thornless varieties make picking easy (Ouichita was thornless and had good flavor), can be very productive
Cons: needs to be pruned, not all varieties are sweet

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I would use that old brown water on plants any day over municipal water with all the chlorine and chemicals. Many people around here irrigate with that kind of water and it does not seem to cause any issues. It might even help some plants like Jaboticaba if it truly has iron.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold Damage
« on: February 12, 2026, 08:06:56 AM »
Mike, I am so sorry to see the devastation at your place. I hope you will be able to get some funds to keep you going until you get your stock built back up. Looks like a greenhouse or cable structure is the only guaranteed way to protect nursery stock from hard freezes like this. I wonder if USDA would have any grant funds for you to build a structure like that. It might be worth a call to the local farm service agency to see if they had anything along those lines available. Or if they had any other grant money that could help you get back on your feet.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: junglegroves - work in progress
« on: February 09, 2026, 11:24:11 PM »
I would argue that Burbank's most important contribution depends on what person you are talking to. If it is a plum farmer, they would probably say the Santa Rosa Plum. A potato farmer would say that it was his work with potatoes.

I think a more useful metric in defining his accomplishments is found in identifying what caused him to be successful. I think it boils down to two things. 1. Incurable curiosity and 2. Dogged determination. One of the most defining moments in Burbank's life was the day that he decided to grow potato seeds in spite of being told that nothing good would ever come of it. He grew the seeds because he wanted to see what would happen, not because of any particular expectation on his part or because popular opinion told him to do so. He was curious. Because he wanted to know, to see for himself, something amazing happened. In addition to the curiosity, he had the determination to see something through. It took thousands of crosses to achieve his rubus hybrid for example.

I would also differ slightly from Neil deGrasse Tyson's take on Newton. Newton did not fail because he didn't discover everything there was to learn. If that is the standard, everyone who ever lived was a failure. I would say that Newton built a foundation that others might stand upon. To this day we do not understand light fully. Just Google quantum entanglement--we've been looking at it for thousands of years and still don't really know what it is. One thing we do know is that we have only scratched the surface of what there is to learn.

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They are not natives, but Eucalyptus torelliana and E. grandis are commonly used as wind breaks for citrus groves. I have never seen another tree that grows that fast.

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Wow, I knew they grew pineapples back in the day near where I am in Immokalee, before they were replaced by citrus. That's an amzing story. I can't imagine that much on fire. The way I look at it, I'd rather stay up all night doing something that works than something that didn't. I never made it to the 2nd night, and covering the trees wasn't adequate enough.. Thanks for info, Galatians

They had an entire pineapple industry here around the turn of the previous century. There was actually an entire community called the Parbor Lake Colony east of Avon Park that was founded on pineapple production. Prices went down due to imports from Cuba and the freezes became a problem. So, the pineapples were replaced with citrus and the town disappeared. The pineapple field that burned was in Sebring if I remember correctly, though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Cold exposure for 30 minutes
« on: February 09, 2026, 07:57:54 PM »
Hey yall. I had a malfunction with my garage door. With my bad luck it had to happen on a day when temperatures were abnormally cold. I had plants exposed to 15F for about 30 minutes before I was able to realize and remotely close the garage door. It quickly heated back to about 65F. Luckily I only have a small portion of my trees in there but I have avocado, loquat, jabo, psidium sartorianum, and a bunch of white sapote seedlings. Are they doomed? They were not in direct wind.

I think you will be ok on most of those if the duration was that short and the heat loss from wind was low.

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It's looking more and more like most of my trees won't make it. I'm giving everything until early March before I starting cutting/pulling/chipping.

For the slow growers I will be replacing them with 15/25 gallon plants along with a few fast growers/insurance varieties just to have some fruit to provide in a reasonable time.

The smaller collectible mangoes- there's no way around it. I lost over 3 years growing them out and it will take half a decade or more just to acquire the plants and be back to where I was. They will still be a part of what I'm doing, but a much more diminished role.

For future resiliency, I'm looking into fast growing native/ not invasive tree canopy species to interplant between the trees short/mid term. In addition, I've acquired a 250 gallon double wall storage tank for fuel. I'll fill it gradually, and I will be adding these one at a time: I'll need more than a few



I'm researching into some ideas for sprinklers, whether or not I go ahead- I will be changing the way the growing area is laid out to be more manageable- this will mean less distance between trees.

I'm looking into rebuilding as a long term investment. None of this will be done quickly, but hopefully I can build something that will withstand these events. Being caught flat-footed is not an option for us growers.

The old standard for smudge pots was about 40 per acre. You have to stay up all night with them and have fire extinguishers on hand as a precaution, though. Back when they still grew pineapples here, a local grower lost 20 acres of pineapples that way. The plants had been covered with straw. So they went up in a blaze of glory when the caretaker got drunk and fell asleep.  :-\

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 Cold Weather [Megathread]
« on: February 09, 2026, 07:33:34 PM »
Highlands Hammock State Park in Sebring is nice. On your way north up 27, Lake Placid (just south of Sebring) is full of murals on many of the buildings and has some beautiful caladium fields in summer. They will give you a mural guide at the Chamber of Commerce. The caladium fields are on CR 621 south of Lake Istokpoga. Maxwell's Country Store in Avon Park (just north of Sebring) is one of the last Mom and Pop citrus packing facilities and has awesome citrus ice cream. Outside of Highlands County, there is Gatoramma in Palmdale (Glades county) and Bok Tower Gardens in Lake Wales (Polk county).

Thanks. Bok was the planned destination for this drive up the 27. I'll definitely check out some of your recommendations.

Would love to know how the tropicals fared at Bok Tower after the freeze. They're sprinkled throughout but there's a decent number of mangoes, jackfruit, macadamia, jabos, etc on the slope behind El Retiro. Beautiful gardens!

I have not made it to Bok post freeze. But, based on a recent trip through Polk County, I think we can assume that everything is burnt pretty good. That being said, some things under dense shelter may have been spared the worst. Interesting related fact about Highlands Hammock--a book from 1933 listed mahogany among the species found there. An old timer told my Dad over 40 years ago that things got much colder here after they cleared so much of the woods. Not sure if that can be documented from existing weather data, but it is what some people perceived. It certainly does not take a rocket scientist to see that over story does create microclimates.

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Other than 'Thai Giant', what other varieties are available in the US?



I have some Taiwanese Jujube cultivars. They are hard to come by and I think most in the US have not eaten a true Taiwanese jujube cultivar like on the image (including me). I believe Shirley 13 and Alian 16 are some of the crispiest and newest varieties...and sweetest, like 18 brix. There isnt a real solid way to identify them so you have to trust who you buy them from. Theres many people selling some of these cultivars and its highly suspected they are not the variety they claim. One thing I've learned to look for in most of the newer Taiwanese jujube cultivars is large, wide, almost round, wavy leaves. Interestingly the Thai jujube is more well known than the Taiwanese jujube but the Thai jujube is really just an older variety imported Taiwanese jujube. Taiwan is by far the leader in jujube (Ziziphus m.) quality breeding. Would be interested in hearing a taste report from anyone who's tried one of the varieties on the attached image.

Based only on the description in the photo, Tainung #13 looks like a winner--High brix/acid ratio.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: junglegroves - work in progress
« on: February 09, 2026, 07:02:56 PM »
Epiphyte,

Since you have plenty of seeds to work with, you might consider micro grafting your racemosa cross when they get a couple inches tall. I seem to recall that many wide hybrids have weak root systems. I would try a high humidity/low light system with the leaves on (similar to the process for vegetable grafting) or an approach graft. Maybe some future generation will look back on you as the Luther Burbank of Figs.  ;D

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Interesting. I wonder if you could put enough hot air in it to inflate it slightly (like a hot air balloon) to keep it off the leaves.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 Cold Weather [Megathread]
« on: February 08, 2026, 03:52:23 PM »

Thanks Yoski! My Lychee tree is a Mauritius...You too, hope all your trees survive!
My husband informed me that the back of the tree appx 1/4 or less of the tree have very little damage and the leaves are almost all green...it is the south side of the tree. Not sure why that part of the tree was spared...NO clue! Because directly behind that tree is my Keitt mango and that is completely brown!!

Murahilin appreciate the condolense wishes for my trees. They just remodeled our downtown "Circle" but its not on 27 you'll have to get to Lakeview Dr to get there...might want to check that area out. To be honest not a whole lot going on in our small little town Lol...I can't believe I've lived here for almost 20 years!

Highlands Hammock State Park in Sebring is nice. On your way north up 27, Lake Placid (just south of Sebring) is full of murals on many of the buildings and has some beautiful caladium fields in summer. They will give you a mural guide at the Chamber of Commerce. The caladium fields are on CR 621 south of Lake Istokpoga. Maxwell's Country Store in Avon Park (just north of Sebring) is one of the last Mom and Pop citrus packing facilities and has awesome citrus ice cream. Outside of Highlands County, there is Gatoramma in Palmdale (Glades county) and Bok Tower Gardens in Lake Wales (Polk county).

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 Cold Weather [Megathread]
« on: February 08, 2026, 03:37:53 PM »
"...  the leaves are either silvery green or brown", I noticed that as well. What's up with that?
I was wondering the same thing since no one here as enlightened us on this I had to Resort to the common man's master degree AI
Desiccation On the south side of the tree the morning sun Thaws out The leaves quickly Which causes more damage Then on the North side which doesn't receive sunlight and they thaw out slower. So this is me I put apothesize that the different colors are different degrees of damage from Rapid thawing and dehydration. Of course the academic Eng heads always have to come up with a word nobody can pronounce they can't just say dehydration lack of moisture thawing too quickly. I'm on the go I just planted two more trees I have more trees with green leaves now then I do brown. This makes me happy I like green

Taking AARP break to catch my breath before I straighten it up. Didn't plan on planting it today but when I woke up I was ready to hard charging.Probably shouldn't have watered it last night extremely heavy

I wonder if Gary Zill would have a problem with me planting one of his trees on Sunday the Lord's Day. I'm loving this weather heavenly

Sunday would be fine with him...Saturday might be another story, though.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: 2026 Cold Weather [Megathread]
« on: February 07, 2026, 09:31:18 PM »
This was a rough one. We got a bit of frost in Loxahatchee! Way too cold for me and waaaaaaaay too cold for some of our trees.

The two trees I’m worried about are our Wulung coconut and our soursop. The soursop has some green at the bottom of the trunk but I have no idea how coconuts work. Anyone have thoughts on if this little guy might bounce back?



Soursop, malay apple, red Jamaican banana


Star apple, TMR Jackfruit, Pickering


Coffees


So sorry to hear about others losses. If anyone is in Loxahatchee and would like some seedlings to replace annonas and cacaos let me know. They look unaffected so far. Happy to share with fellow fruit lovers.

The only thing that matters on palms is the bud where the new fronds come out. Your's looks fine to me from the picture.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Post freeze advice for mango
« on: February 06, 2026, 11:13:20 PM »
One way to identify the live wood is by looking at the leaves. If the leaves fall off on their own the wood is probably still alive and is preparing to push new buds. If the wood is dead the leaves cling tight and dry with the branch.

That's interesting re how leaves will cling or fall.  I'll remember that.
I've been wanting to try heavy watering with some micros & npk.  Busy.  Thoughts?
I see green or algae i want gone on some trunks. Peroxde?


A little light fertilizing would probably be good, but I would wait just a little longer. It would not be good to push the tree into a flush and then get popped by another frost. That would be awfully hard on the tree. Actually, that's what happened in Avon Park back in the 1890s. The citrus groves got whacked by a freeze early in the year and dropped all their leaves. About the time the sap was flowing good and they were pushing new growth a second freeze came. Apparently, the trees were so full of sap that the trunks split killing them dead. People still talk about it to this day.

A peroxide product like Oxidate would probably nuke the algae, but I have never used it specifically for that purpose.

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