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Radoslav

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Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« on: January 24, 2026, 11:21:13 AM »
Reading an old soviet bulletin from 1939, I came across cultivar called  Twentieth Century, imported to Soviet union in 1930.
Description: PCNA, big, round slightly flattened fruit up to 230g, or more. Deep red skin.

Can someone tell me more about this cultivar?

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Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« Reply #2 on: January 25, 2026, 02:26:21 AM »
Looks like there is a misleading information in that bulettin from 1939. It states, that it was imported from Japan
together with cultivars as Delicious and Seedless. But such cultivar names are unknown in Japan.
I found, that such names are in C. A. Nobellius & Sons Nursery Catalogue 1931 from Australia.
It looks like those trees were imported from Australia.
Catalogue stated:



P.S. after field observation Russians came to conclusion that Delicious is quite identical to Jiro.
« Last Edit: January 25, 2026, 02:34:44 AM by Radoslav »

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Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2026, 03:42:14 PM »
unfortunately non-astringent cultivars(all? most?) don't get sweet enough in middle european climate. they taste a bit bland to me. please prove me wrong  :)

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Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2026, 08:13:24 PM »
Looks like there is a misleading information in that bulettin from 1939. It states, that it was imported from Japan
together with cultivars as Delicious and Seedless. But such cultivar names are unknown in Japan.
I found, that such names are in C. A. Nobellius & Sons Nursery Catalogue 1931 from Australia.
It looks like those trees were imported from Australia.
Catalogue stated:



P.S. after field observation Russians came to conclusion that Delicious is quite identical to Jiro.

Maybe the "Seedless" is Tanenashi. I think that is what the name means in Japanese. It is a large, fairly dry, astringent fruit of moderate quality that almost never has any seeds and sets heavy crops. It is used mostly for drying.

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Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« Reply #5 on: January 27, 2026, 01:21:19 AM »
Yes, it is possible.
In catalogue from C. A. Nobellius & Sons Nursery are cultivar names Seedless, Delicious, Twentieth Century.
In soviet import list from 1930 are also cultivars -
Delicious - they renamed-translated it as "превосходный" it mens Excelent, later when planted in soviet Georgia it got name Chinebuli ჩინებული, which means in georgian language the same word Excelent.
Twentieth Century
Seedless

because cultivars Delicious and Twentieth Century are in C. A. Nobellius & Sons Nursery Catalogue described as newly discovered, I guess, they mean that those are  culivars of australian selection.
« Last Edit: January 27, 2026, 06:02:43 AM by Radoslav »

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Re: Persimmon - Twentieth Century
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2026, 04:56:45 AM »
Looks like mystery is resolved. I found in Yokohama nursery catalogue from 1910, that they offered kaki Twentieth century to export.



« Last Edit: January 30, 2026, 04:58:38 AM by Radoslav »