Ziziphus mauritiana (Indian jujube) - grafted varieties available in the US

[murahilin]

Other than 'Thai Giant', what other varieties are available in the US?

[umass2006]

I grew up eating this in Bangladesh, called “boroi” or “ber”. It’s initially green and sour but then ripens to yellow/orange color; flavor changes to a sweet+sour taste, mealy consistency with a musky smell. You can eat it just by itself or put some salt, cilantro, pepper and mash it up to make a chutney type of snack. Very common in Indian subcontinent. The below is the only website I’ve ever seen this for sale  as it is otherwise difficult to find.

https://sowexotic.com/products/indian-jujube-ziziphus-mauritiana

[70Malibu]

Are you asking what other Chinese jujube varieties are available, like Li, Sugarcane, Honey Jar, etc?
Just checkout Marta's webpage she sells them all.

https://reallygoodplants.com/

[70Malibu]

If it's only Indian variety you are looking for, I do know a guy who has a huge tree which fruits, but he never seems to be able to give me a ripe fruit.





I can get you cuttings of this one, we can trade, you send me some good mango scions.

He tells me his wife likes this fruit a lot. I don't think he eats many of the fruits, it's for his wife. If anyone else wants scions, then let me know what you have for trade. I should go visit him to see if any fruits are ready to pick.

[brian]

I tried the green Indian jujube when I was in India, and while it was decent I would prefer a grocery store (malus) apple over it any day.  How do the chinese types compare?

[murahilin]

There are a lot of Indian jujubes growing in Florida, but they are mostly the 'Thai Giant' variety (or similar names which I assume are all the same original variety). It's in season right now and I picked a lot of fruit yesterday, but I am looking for different varieties that might be sweeter. Regular apples are definitely better, but they don't grow too well here in South Florida. I've fruited regular apples before but it was just too much work. Jujubes are extremely produtive in S. Florida.

I am not looking for Chinese jujube (Z. jujuba), because those don't seem to do well here in South Florida.

[roblack]

I think the thread is about Thai/Indian jujube (ziziphus mauritiana), not Chinese jujube (ziziphus jujuba).

Ber is the Indian name for the fruit, not a cultivar.

Growing 2 mauritiana trees from different sources; fruit flavor is the same, 1 tree produces more and bigger fruit. Could be just their placement, the non-productive tree is under a huge shade tree, the productive counterpart is in a mostly sunny spot.

Would love to find some variations of this fruit.

Have yet to sprout a seed, despite thousands of fruits.

[murahilin]

If it's only Indian variety you are looking for, I do know a guy who has a huge tree which fruits, but he never seems to be able to give me a ripe fruit.

I can get you cuttings of this one, we can trade, you send me some good mango scions.

He tells me his wife likes this fruit a lot. I don't think he eats many of the fruits, it's for his wife. If anyone else wants scions, then let me know what you have for trade. I should go visit him to see if any fruits are ready to pick.

That looks like the same variety we have here in S FL. They're usually eaten in that green stage. The flavor and texture isn't as good when they get "ripe" like a Chinese jujube would.

[murahilin]

I think the thread is about Thai/Indian jujube (ziziphus mauritiana), not Chinese jujube (ziziphus jujuba).

Ber is the Indian name for the fruit, not a cultivar.

Growing 2 mauritiana trees from different sources; fruit flavor is the same, 1 tree produces more and bigger fruit. Could be just their placement, the non-productive tree is under a huge shade tree, the productive counterpart is in a mostly sunny spot.

Would love to find some variations of this fruit.

Have yet to sprout a seed, despite thousands of fruits.

Have you tried cracking the shell and planting the kernel? I've sprouted a bunch of seeds using that method but those were seeds from fruit I got from fruit from non grafted thorny trees. I'm not sure if that made a difference.

I would love some variation in the fruit flavor as well. I've seen on youtube videos that in India there are a ton of different cultivars but I don't think any of them have made it over to the US.

[greenerpasteur]

Check out Viet Garden. She has a few Taiwanese variety.

I have a Thai jujube but grafted a newer variety on it - Tao Dai Mat. Now there are even a newer variety available - Kim Dai Mat.

[murahilin]

Check out Viet Garden. She has a few Taiwanese variety.

I have a Thai jujube but grafted a newer variety on it - Tao Dai Mat. Now there are even a newer variety available - Kim Dai Mat.

Thanks. Do you have a link or contact information for Viet Garden?

Does Viet Garden sell Tao Dai Mat and Kim Dai Mat?

[Galatians522]

Found this--Facebook Marketplace in West Covina, CA. It may even be legit. 

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://m.facebook.com/marketplace/item/1452539596121336/&ved=2ahUKEwixlZPRyKqSAxXuRzABHee4DJcQFnoECDUQAQ&usg=AOvVaw3kdlxBhqmNTemkhqTjo2PT

[murahilin]

Found this--Facebook Marketplace in West Covina, CA. It may even be legit. 

Lol, do you want to be the guinea pig to see if it's legit?

[Galatians522]

Found this--Facebook Marketplace in West Covina, CA. It may even be legit. 

Lol, do you want to be the guinea pig to see if it's legit?

I'm interested, but I don't know enough about the variety to determine if it is worth the risk. Seems like scions would be a better way to go, though.  I've heard that there is a triploid hybrid between the Indian and Chinese Jujube in China. That I would pay $80 for in a heartbeat.

[70Malibu]

I think the one I just got last fall is the Tao Dai Mat variety. I posted the photos last year when I got the tree home. The fruits tastes good, this tree has about 100 fruits hanging from the branches, so I removed them all before bringing the tree home. I like the fruit even though it is not as sweet as the Chinese varieties I have.

murahilin or Rob, if you have the one in Florida that fruits well, then I will trade a few scions from my tree. Or from the Indian jujube tree above with the banana fruit. Let me ask Ron once more of the origin of his tree that was there when he bought the house.

I don't think this large Indian jujube tree I showed you the fruit is the same one you have in Florida. The guy Steve Murray said it was different and asked me for scions that I sent him. He was supposed to send me the "Himalayan Steve Murray's mulberry cuttings" but never did. Must be too busy doing his fruit hunting.

So, if you want to trade for some of this Idian jujube tree let me know. I'm going to the house again to maybe do a few air layers on this guy's tree.The jujube tree is the largest one I have ever seen. Maybe 10"diameter trunk, the tree branches have been growing over the garage roof so I cut down many of these large branches for him. The branches have thorns so not fun to cut and clean up.

[70Malibu]

murahilin or Rob can you post some photos of your fruits of the Indian jujube, not from the web.

I will show you my Tao Dai Mat fruits from the tree I got last fall. Does either of you guys have fruit that looks like mine fruits below?







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[70Malibu]

Sam, I know the guy selling it in West Covina, never went there yet but will in another month to checkout some of the other fruit trees he has. There's no way you will get scions cheap since most peoples tree is too small That price you see is for a small grafted 2yr old tree, who would cut off the scions to sell it cheap.

If you want some scions from the huge tree I know of, then just send me a message and we can negotiate a trade anytime. I just texted the guy to see if had any ripe fruits for me but he didn't. I did see many fruits on the tree, and I tasted it, but they were still half the size of the photo I showed above. I do like the taste of the Tao Dai Mat but not planning to take any scions to share yet, it is not large enough.

[murahilin]

Here are some pics I found on phone from fruit that I've picked over the years and one pic of a tree that I picked some of the fruit. I cut down my own tree years ago, but I still pick the fruit sometimes at Excalibur Fruit Trees. The second pic has two black sapotes to the left.

[70Malibu]

Ok, thanks for the fruit photo. I couldn't see the tree photo. I don't think it is the same one, the fruits from this tree I saw had mostly the pointy shaped fruits like the one above with the banana. Your fruit looks more round with a shoulder. Do you have any photo of your fruit cut open, that would be a good way to ID if they are the same. I can get a unripe fruit and cut it open to see how large the seed is.

[Galatians522]

Sam, I know the guy selling it in West Covina, never went there yet but will in another month to checkout some of the other fruit trees he has. There's no way you will get scions cheap since most peoples tree is too small That price you see is for a small grafted 2yr old tree, who would cut off the scions to sell it cheap.

If you want some scions from the huge tree I know of, then just send me a message and we can negotiate a trade anytime. I just texted the guy to see if had any ripe fruits for me but he didn't. I did see many fruits on the tree, and I tasted it, but they were still half the size of the photo I showed above. I do like the taste of the Tao Dai Mat but not planning to take any scions to share yet, it is not large enough.

Hey Kaz, it's not so much the cost of the grafted tree (which is probably pretty fair to be honest). It's the shipping cost for mailing a 3 gallon tree to Florida.  Mailing scions would be much more practical and if they were grafted to a mature tree would probably make a tree quicker. I may take you up on the scions from the old tree some time. What I really want is a jujube hybrid that is half way between the Thai Giant and Chinese Jujube--sweetness, cold tolerance, and chill requirement. That would make a good crop for us here in Central Florida that could help replace our dying citrus groves. 

[70Malibu]

Ok, don't wait too long. That large Indian jujube is not my tree so it is only available while I'm going to his place to do something in exchange.

I heard about the hybrid, but who has it.

[roblack]

I gotta figure out how to post pics again, will post soon. But your fruit looks longer/more oval than ours; ours looks the same as Murahilin's.

[70Malibu]

Yup. I contacted the guy on FB with the fruits similar to a shape of a Fuji apple, mostly rounder. I may go pickup a tree if he can show me the fruit on the larger tree. He has some in 7gal pots so it should have a fruit or two. He wants $150 for those trees.

[Vid_nand]

I think the one I just got last fall is the Tao Dai Mat variety. I posted the photos last year when I got the tree home. The fruits tastes good, this tree has about 100 fruits hanging from the branches, so I removed them all before bringing the tree home. I like the fruit even though it is not as sweet as the Chinese varieties I have.

murahilin or Rob, if you have the one in Florida that fruits well, then I will trade a few scions from my tree. Or from the Indian jujube tree above with the banana fruit. Let me ask Ron once more of the origin of his tree that was there when he bought the house.

I don't think this large Indian jujube tree I showed you the fruit is the same one you have in Florida. The guy Steve Murray said it was different and asked me for scions that I sent him. He was supposed to send me the "Himalayan Steve Murray's mulberry cuttings" but never did. Must be too busy doing his fruit hunting.

So, if you want to trade for some of this Idian jujube tree let me know. I'm going to the house again to maybe do a few air layers on this guy's tree.The jujube tree is the largest one I have ever seen. Maybe 10"diameter trunk, the tree branches have been growing over the garage roof so I cut down many of these large branches for him. The branches have thorns so not fun to cut and clean up.

Sorry go hijack the thread.  Just curious to see the pic of tge tree that you got (loaded with fruits).  Mind chatting them thread that you have mentioned in this post.🙏

[Kankan]

Other than 'Thai Giant', what other varieties are available in the US?

I have some Taiwanese Jujube cultivars. They are hard to come by and I think most in the US have not eaten a true Taiwanese jujube cultivar like on the image (including me). I believe Shirley 13 and Alian 16 are some of the crispiest and newest varieties...and sweetest, like 18 brix. There isnt a real solid way to identify them so you have to trust who you buy them from. Theres many people selling some of these cultivars and its highly suspected they are not the variety they claim. One thing I've learned to look for in most of the newer Taiwanese jujube cultivars is large, wide, almost round, wavy leaves. Interestingly the Thai jujube is more well known than the Taiwanese jujube but the Thai jujube is really just an older variety imported Taiwanese jujube. Taiwan is by far the leader in jujube (Ziziphus m.) quality breeding. Would be interested in hearing a taste report from anyone who's tried one of the varieties on the attached image.