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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 30, 2023, 06:14:02 PM »
From my understanding Morton is mostly seedless unless pollinated so forming seeds is a good indicator that it was atleast pollinated. I don't have a trained eye to see seed differences like that but that is a thing others on the forum have demonstrated. I would have to grow the seeds and select for characteristics of kumquat (leaf shape, size, color, etc)

Nagami produces hybrids more readily than Meiwa (when used as a mother). Meiwa is something like 99% nucellar don't quote me on that. It would be a good idea to use meiwa as a pollen parent given that the fruit is sweeter! If my Morton citrange blooms this spring I'm going to try just that. Also thinking of using taitri but that has not bloomed for me yet.

Well I suppose that answers my question on why Nagami was originally selected.
But yes, I would be very interested to see if you could get a Morton X Meiwa citrangequat cross.
Also how would you know? Would it be apparent from the seed formation differing from the normal morton shape/size in the selectively pollinated fruit, or would you only know once the seed sprouts revealing it to be dicot in nature?

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrangequat(but Meiwa)
« on: January 30, 2023, 10:47:42 AM »
Nagami produces hybrids more readily than Meiwa (when used as a mother). Meiwa is something like 99% nucellar don't quote me on that. It would be a good idea to use meiwa as a pollen parent given that the fruit is sweeter! If my Morton citrange blooms this spring I'm going to try just that. Also thinking of using taitri but that has not bloomed for me yet.

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I've seen atleast one of the two for sale on online European nurseries, don't remember which as I live in the US and didn't make a note of it. There is one youtube gardener based in the UK who has a Rose Anne which is also said to flower multiple times, maybe you can ask him where he got it "Joes Tropicals" he has a video of it blooming in middle of August (summer)

Are there sources for Novak and Shambala in Europe?

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"Novak" is said to flower multiple times so in the spring as well. Unfortunately the scions were sent to me so late, practically in the fall, so I didn't get a graft to take on my loquat seedling. Which then also killed the entire plant because I topped it for the graft.

I grafted a bud to an outdoor apple tree as an experiment which looks like it healed. We'll see in the spring if it grows at all.


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Viability of seeds from frozen fruit
« on: January 17, 2023, 01:38:18 PM »
Last winter I threw a bunch of yuzu seeds onto the ground and lightly covered with soil, out of 40 or so seeds 3 sprouted in the spring. The coldest temp we had was 6f, the soil froze many times over, with some seeds popping out of the ground. In the end I think the wet spring rotted most of the surviving seed.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Hybrids
« on: January 13, 2023, 05:00:58 PM »
How did these grow for you?

Sprout now. Going to take them outside probably next month.


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3) but some experience: I am not having much luck grafting in ambient temp of around 68f / 20c. I bet the soil is much cooler than this especially after watering. My grafts turn brown or develop mold. Might need more heat than that, to get your rootstocks actively growing you can place a heat mat under the poncirus to make sure it wakes up.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Thomasville v. Morton?
« on: January 04, 2023, 05:16:10 PM »
The fruit is really beautiful, have you tried letting the whole fruit sit on your counter for a "rest" perhaps the flavors become better? Read somewhere that some citrus lose acidity by doing this and become sweeter, doesn't work with lemons though.

My graft of Morton on tai-tri so far looks good after -15c polar vortex and two days below freezing. Hope it survives the rest of winter and puts out some growth in the spring.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Is this sun scald?
« on: January 02, 2023, 02:26:46 AM »
The backside of the same growth looks unaffected on the Prague, I suspect the Ninkat x Poncirus as well. These are the top most growth spurts so must not have been hardened enough. My most damaged Yuzu has bleaching on the upper branches they are completely white. A shaded out Yuzu cutting from the same plant does not show the same damage




Here's the Yuzu exposed to full sun and the damage



Same plant rooted cutting but in mostly shade, not nearly as much damage except the one twig



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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: December 29, 2022, 11:03:36 PM »
Depends on the citrus. Some ripen their fruit by fall. Others over the winter or into spring which won't work for me outdoors. I'm only collecting hardy varities that can ripen by the fall, with some exceptions I'm not sure when ninkat x poncirus ripens and pretty sure Yuzu won't color up until December which is too late but then again some citrus can be used before they are ripe. they will be sour, so can be used like a lemon. I don't plan to eat anything hardy I grow fresh off the tree will have to be processed in some way.   

My question is this.....How much time does it take from formation of flower bud to the actual picking of the fruit? Do they need as much time as apples.....ie May flowers bloom.... to Sept./Oct when the fruit is usually ripened....

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: December 29, 2022, 01:36:44 AM »
Good point about plants later dying in the spring, that actually happened to my 4ft tall yuzu that ended up dying all the way to the ground in the spring. Had a look at some of the stuff today, I think the sunshine damaged the hardy plants more than the actual cold... am seeing what looks like sun burn/scald. Winter is far from over so there might be colder days. Hopefully not! 


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Cold Hardy Citrus / Is this sun scald?
« on: December 28, 2022, 07:39:27 PM »
Some of my hardy citrus have this white almost blistering on the stems. This is the only apparent damage after 5f over the weekend.


Ninkat x poncirus





Prague chimera

Only on the upper leader, lower branches are unaffected. Looks much worse in the picture for some reason lol



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: any kadsura coccinea successfully planted ?
« on: December 28, 2022, 02:50:43 PM »
Here's an update on my inground plant.

We had a low of 5f/-15c over the weekend. Only protected by bricks and frost cloth.

It's now Wed. and I went to take the fabric off because we are above freezing for the rest of the week.




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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Citrus damage after freeze
« on: December 24, 2022, 07:59:05 PM »
Following, and I'll report on these in a few days, low of 5f: *small update*

Yuzu on own roots somewhat protected (stacked bricks covering the main stems)- this one died to the ground last year at 6f with freezing rain- lots of damage on the top of leaves and tender growth turned white and burned

Yuzu on Poncirus -damaged leaves

Tai-tri own roots- leaves turning yellow no obvious damage to stems

Citrumelo own roots- leaves curling no obvious damage to stems

Morton on Tai-tri- scion looks a little dry

Morton on Citrumelo- scion looks a little dry

Prague on Tai-tri- whole branch turned slightly yellow (is this poncirus influence?) leaves turned yellow

Prague on Poncirus- top looks sun burned but lower part of plant is fine with green leaves

Ninkat x Poncirus- top looks sun burned but lower part of plant still holding leaves

random seedlings of kumquat and sour orange- some survivors of kumquat, sour orange very damaged, random yuzu seedling took almost no damage just top leaves

and of course Poncirus/+ which shouldn't have a problem- still holding leaves

Non-citrus:
Feijoa protected (agribon + incandescent lights)- healthy green color leaves look good, small amount of leaves closer to the top of the fabric slightly dry and light brown possible damaged from touching fabric

Feijoa unprotected - these dropped leaves  last year at 6f with freezing rain- light brown leaves definitely damaged not as bad as last year

Kadsura coccinea somewhat protected (stacked bricks and agribon small plant not a vine yet)- two tender young leaves turned brown at the top otherwise the whole seedling survived

Loquat small graft on apple- doesnt appear damaged

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse update
« on: December 17, 2022, 04:14:31 PM »
I have 2 big edulis in 3 gal pots and they fruit well. Thinking about getting a giant granadilla (P. quadrangularis), I recently read somewhere that it can accept edulis as well as incarnata pollen. If that's true then I am already imagining a hybrid with incarnata.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Greenhouse update
« on: December 17, 2022, 02:02:18 AM »
very nice! giving me ideas in similar zone to you. the cherimoya and the passion vine look really good.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Turunji - A Citrus You Eat Like An Apple
« on: December 16, 2022, 09:32:32 PM »
appreciate that! it's said to flower from seed pretty early  so lets test out that theory

actually just finished grafting a little piece of the saved cuttings that are now rooted to a spare ponderosa lemon that I didnt want to keep, so I top worked it and stuck a good bit of scion into the bark and now have a grow light as close as I can get it on the whole plant

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Turunji - A Citrus You Eat Like An Apple
« on: December 16, 2022, 07:08:06 PM »
If it's not insect related could be ph of mix and or nutrient issues. I never got to that stage since I keep losing my plant but I did have a pretty bad spider mite infestation in mid summer.

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Turunji - A Citrus You Eat Like An Apple
« on: December 16, 2022, 06:47:56 PM »
Any update to plants and fruit? I lost both cuttings in the picture again, rotting of the roots yet again and the bigger plant had some kind of rot on the trunk at the end of the summer. None of my grafts took either. I have a new round of cuttings and those are rooted now (again lol). Sigh. It's the only plant that I keep losing same growing conditions and soil mix as all the other citrus.

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good idea aerating the roots. my meiwa which came grafted to a sour mandarin has stunted fruit growth and branch die back compared to my graft to citrumelo which has nice round fruit that is starting to color up. I suspected root rot, so I pulled it out of the fabric pot and yes dry and rotting roots. The potting mix was very dense too so it wasn't draining. Repotted in fresh mix with perlite, I don't have 5-1-1 ingredients or anything else. I also put it back into a plastic pot, I'm finding that the fabric pots with this potting mix causes it to become hydrophobic and dry around the sides of the pot but the middle of the mix is dense and never dries out.

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Nansho Daidai and other Taiwanica cultivars
« on: December 14, 2022, 05:27:27 PM »
lol interesting well I am out of ideas, hope you find the narrow leaf type! those huge leaves do remind me of pomelo leaves (minus the petiole)

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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Citrus Fruits - Ripe in SoCal December
« on: December 14, 2022, 05:25:10 PM »
The buddhas hand will perfume a room you place it in. I candied one once, and saved the remaing sugary liquid in the pot as syrup. It's a little bitter but I mix it into tea which gives it a nice flavor. Too much trouble otherwise, there is no pulp so you can't even use it as a lemon

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Nansho Daidai and other Taiwanica cultivars
« on: December 14, 2022, 05:16:19 PM »
In my experience less light = bigger leaves. This happens to me indoors under artificial lighthing, though I imagine the same could happen if they were greenhouse grown with less intense sunlight or if you kept them in the shade. 

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Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Nansho Daidai and other Taiwanica cultivars
« on: December 14, 2022, 04:26:39 PM »
Bigger leaves are probably response to lighting conditions

Tai-tri (taiwanica x trifoliate) has narrow leaves like your plant from Lenzi. Maybe they are selling hybrids or off-types?



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Citrus General Discussion / Re: Grow Lights on Lemon Tree
« on: December 10, 2022, 09:07:07 PM »
LEDs should not burn plants unless the diodes are physically touching the leaves. The only concern I have is that your plant looks like its potted deeply, should not have the trunk buried that high up. Biggest issues you might experience indoors are overwatering and spider mites/other pests.

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