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Citrus General Discussion / Re: ID on disease/problem
« on: January 10, 2024, 04:31:05 PM »
Have this with all of my NZLs as well. Have tried a few remedies but no difference. They are still quite vigorous, though, and don't seem to show any other negative signs.

Interestingly, UCR notes these lesions but, as of 2010, don't know the cause. So they must not thinks its all that worrisome

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Southeastern Citrus Expo
« on: November 27, 2023, 01:10:45 PM »
Really appreciate these resources! Loved Hershell's talk

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: Tasting report of Duguetia lepidota
« on: August 07, 2023, 11:51:33 PM »
Thank you - first-hand experience of rare species is hard to come by! Your time in posting this is very much appreciated!!

Count me in

Hot, dry Springs in Florida are not uncommon. I investigated having an irrigation well installed in my back yard but the $3,500+ cost just to irrigate a few fruit trees nullified that option. So I setup a rain barrel next to my shed with a guttering system attached to the shed to catch the runoff from the roof and through the downspout into the barrel. I'll likely add an additional barrel later on.
Very smart.  We should be doing more of that.

Im actually doing the same.

Some of my plants cant handle the city water at all.

My city water has chloramine added to it which does not dissipate with time, so filling a barrel with the hose and letting it sit for a week to evaporate (like chlorine does) won't work. This stuff kills beneficial microbes in the soil in addition to the fact that it is just not good for the health of the plants. But yeah it's been dry lately - we need some rain!!!

Chloramines can be fairly easily removed via multiple processes - simple & involved - activated carbon, UV irradiation, RO and more. I imagine the most interesting/beneficial for growers is humic acid - low dilution factor and apparent pros of adding humic acid to soil.

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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: NEW FINDING: AMAY!
« on: December 20, 2022, 11:45:01 AM »
Awesome - sent message over

I rely on Copper fungicides instead of phosphoric for those very reasons.  I also use a 50:50 mixture of Captan powder+indoor latex paint on diseased trees.  There is a lot of leucostoma/cytospora in the soil here, and this is the most effective remedy I've found besides aggressive pruning.  Really helps prevent borers from entering, too.  Happy to send a copy of the study that suggested it, if you like!

Not sure bout pagnr but I'd like to see the study. If you have a link to the paper it'd be great to post that here for posterity

Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / Re: Wtb Pawpaw fruit
« on: August 25, 2022, 09:01:47 AM »
The wild groves here will be getting ripe in the next few weeks. I'd be happy to send out some fruit if you're interested in trying a wild-type pawpaw

I second the interest in jaboticaba seeds!

Citrus General Discussion / Re: UF Australian Lime Improvement Program
« on: August 19, 2022, 10:06:49 AM »
Thats interesting, both are Microcitrus X Microcitrus hybrids.
Also UF Red is possibly the only type of Red Fingerlime, australasica var sanguinea resulting from crossing and selection.
I think all the Fingerlime cultivars in Australia are straight selections from the wild.

Has Judy Viola gone into much detail about the process of producing/finding the many varieties she has put out? The few details I find online about her work simply state that they are "collected in the field", or something to that effect. It is fascinating to me that there would be that much diversity in the wild without any breeding and/or human intervention. 

Citrus General Discussion / Re: UF Australian Lime Improvement Program
« on: August 18, 2022, 03:00:22 PM »
Good eye - SunLime has c. inodora as a parent. I found more info here:

Tropical Fruit Discussion / Re: please identify this eugenia
« on: August 04, 2022, 10:27:47 AM »
Looks like eugenia reinwardtiana to me

Citrus General Discussion / UF Australian Lime Improvement Program
« on: August 03, 2022, 09:07:59 AM »
Hey All,

Here is a great resource from a recent research symposium out of UF:

Great information and videos/talks - you can also see the two new varieties recently released (UF SunLime & UF RedLime)


I would love to see some pics of the Erem x shikawasa plant and fruit if it has fruited.

You might've seen this already but these are the only online pics I can find - they are pretty good though

Citrus General Discussion / Madison Citrus YouTube
« on: July 22, 2022, 02:50:22 PM »
Hey All,

Madison Citrus ( has put out a new YouTube channel this week and already have some great videos:

Madison Citrus/Hershell have been extremely helpful to a lot of us so lets return the favor and show their channel/videos some love and support!


Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Shortest Growing Season Citrus
« on: July 22, 2022, 11:12:01 AM »
Hi Piss P,

     I find the Kabosu fruit to be quite good.  They're very round (hence the Sphaerocarpa in the Latin name), larger than a yuzu and have a complex flavor I enjoy, somewhat like Meyer lemons with a touch of grapefruit.  They have far fewer seeds than the Yuzu, and most years even fewer seeds than the Sudachi.
 They're just sweet enough you can eat them out of hand if your taste tends to the sour end.  Unlike the Yuzu, the peel is not aromatic and less flavorful, but it still has a nice lemony flavor. 
     I use them mainly for the juice, and to make marmalade during years, like this one, when my Yuzu has very few fruit.
     I haven't had a chance to test the hardiness yet but, given that it is closely related to Yuzu and Sudachi, it could well be hoped to be as hardy as those two.


I appreciate the information! I'll have to keep on the lookout for one - love the Japanese citrus' variety in flavor profiles

Cold Hardy Citrus / Re: Shortest Growing Season Citrus
« on: July 20, 2022, 09:14:37 AM »
Of the varieties I grow, because you normally harvest them green, as limes, my earliest harvested citrus is Sudachi in mid-October, followed by Thomasville Citrangequat a couple weeks later.  My earliest harvested ripe fruit is the Flying dragon (If you count that as a citrus) starting in mid-October, followed by Changsha tangerine in late October, then Kabosu and Yuzu in mid-November.   There are probably many other varieties that ripen as early (or earlier), which I don't grow.


Would love to know your thoughts on the Kabosu fruit and how you use it

Citrus Buy, Sell, & Trade / Re: Bizzarria Orange
« on: July 16, 2022, 10:15:07 AM »
Is this something I could do myself through grafting?

There have been constructed graft hybrids between Tomato and Solanum nigrum.
If I remember correctly one technique was to split a bud eye in half, and match in another half from the other plant.
When the healed bud shoots out, it grows as a chimera shoot.
Accidental graft chimeras probably grow from callus shoots at the graft union.

I've looked into this and came across a few research papers on it. I can't seem to find the publication that I remember being quite helpful but here is another with useful information

It is far from being a sure-science but there seems to be a 10-20% success rate when following published procedures.

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Video of great nursery in Italy
« on: May 08, 2022, 02:51:23 PM »
Awesome content - thanks for sharing!

Does anyone have experience growing this and/or have a trustworthy source for seeds?


Citrus General Discussion / Re: Soil amendments for microbiology
« on: February 20, 2022, 09:38:26 AM »
I'll also tack on another question for soil amendments: do people have experience with adding silicon to their plants? Soil application or foliar spray? I found this very insightful for foliar application ( and am going to begin stabilized silicic acid (sSA) application at the beginning of next month - any thoughts or words from the wise?

Citrus General Discussion / Re: Soil amendments for microbiology
« on: February 19, 2022, 10:15:38 AM »
Yuh on top of standard fertilization (I also use Jack's) I have been adding weekly fulvic & humic acid ( and mycorrhizae addition ( I have liked the results. That Great White mycorrhizae inoculant has been super impressive - have seen noticeable results after only using for about 1.5 months

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