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Tropical Fruit => Tropical Fruit Discussion => Topic started by: huertasurbanas on October 09, 2016, 06:54:59 PM
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Hi, I was lucky enought to find a seller that has 2 varieties of uvaia (eugenia pyriformis): one that grows faster, as a tree,
(https://s22.postimg.cc/9bppweqil/uvaia_tree1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9bppweqil/)
and another one that grows as a smaller bush, it also has much smaller leaves (3cm long vs 8cm long)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/50147ejlp/uvaia_bushy1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/50147ejlp/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/ngviy7zjx/uvaia_bushy2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ngviy7zjx/)
(https://s22.postimg.cc/bubex3c8t/uvaia_bushy4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bubex3c8t/)
Do you grow different uvaias out there? did you saw this difference in varieties?
I tasted the fruits of the tree uvaia (the taller one) and they were very good, sweet, juicy and acid (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2016/02/09/uvaias-en-febrero/ (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2016/02/09/uvaias-en-febrero/)). The others didnt fruited yet.
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Hi huertas, I have two types, both given same treatment since germination and from same source but one is very much tree like reaching for the sky. It is producing first flowers for me now. The second is same age but very much compact growth form, it is almost 50cm tall where as the other is abot 1.8m tall. No flowers on the compact form yet but the leaves are very much different as tall one has long leaves about 50-70 mm long while the compact has 25mm leaves. I will try and post photos when I get home tomorrow.
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Great, Don, you are describing my situation too: I wonder if the fruit would be different, and ... yours are from the same source? but not from the same variety? was it a surprise?
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The true bush var is the Eugenia Lutescens.
The tree var is the Eugenia Piryformis.
The knowledge base says that Lutescens has smaller fruits, but more sweet.
I have both vars, but my lutescens is flowering for the first time just this year. ;)
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Cassio! So you are sure these are not the same species? I should call e. lutescens to my bushy uvaias?
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugenialutescens.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugenialutescens.htm)
reading that Helton's page, now I am confused, because my big uvaia with bigger leaves, bears fruits with tiny white hairs as the lutescens... so maybe she was in fact a lutescens... or all my uvaias are lutescens...
" (com forma de ovo, só que a parte mais larga voltada para o ápice), brancas e livres. Os frutos são arredondados medindo 3 a 4 cm de diâmetro com casca amarela e pubescente (coberto de curtos pelos brancos) com polpa doce e saborosa envolvendo 1 ou mais raramente 2 sementes."
and it also grows slowly...
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Cassio! So you are sure these are not the same species? I should call e. lutescens to my bushy uvaias?
http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugenialutescens.htm (http://www.colecionandofrutas.org/eugenialutescens.htm)
reading that Helton's page, now I am confused, because my big uvaia with bigger leaves, bears fruits with tiny white hairs as the lutescens... so maybe she was in fact a lutescens... or all my uvaias are lutescens...
" (com forma de ovo, só que a parte mais larga voltada para o ápice), brancas e livres. Os frutos são arredondados medindo 3 a 4 cm de diâmetro com casca amarela e pubescente (coberto de curtos pelos brancos) com polpa doce e saborosa envolvendo 1 ou mais raramente 2 sementes."
and it also grows slowly...
Yeah, like Helton said. Two vars. My lutescens has smaller leafs, light green color. Piryformis has bigger leafs, dark green. Lutescens grows slowlly, while piryformis is faster ;)
Both are in pots of the same size (50 cm tall, 30 cm in the mouth) and were bought in 2014, from different sellers.
About the fruits size, well, they vary to much, even in the same tree (at least piryformis). From 2,5 cm to 5cm in diameter. ;)
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Also, the pulp of the uvaias I tasted was totally juicy and sweet with some fibers (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2014/12/30/como-se-llama-la-fruta-que-cayo-del-arbol-hoy/ (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2014/12/30/como-se-llama-la-fruta-que-cayo-del-arbol-hoy/)), not firm at all as the image from this e. pyriformis:
http://www.fruitipedia.com/Images%202/Uvalha%20fruits.jpg (http://www.fruitipedia.com/Images%202/Uvalha%20fruits.jpg)
is that a sign that my uvaia could be e. lutescens? (they were allways light green, never dark green, and there are some of them that turn red with cold temps, while others never seem to turn red...)
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Cool! Congratulations on getting the new Uvaia's. I had read on the net about the variation in this species, but I am still surprised to see such big differences. Very cool, though, I hope you'll also find different flavors and sizes in their fruits.
I have one seedling Uvaia that is 3 years old and very short and bushy, with short glossy leaves. And I always thought that this was what Uvaia looked like, - all the Brazilian fruits are completely new to me. So I was surprised to see photo's of Uvaia's on this forum with very different leaves. And now I want to collect them all! :o
Here is a picture of the two I have: the one on the right is 3 years old, with the short glossy leaves, it is barely 30 cm high. The one on the left is one year old and has leaves like I have seen in other pictures.
(https://s14.postimg.cc/8hup318e5/Uvaia_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/8hup318e5/)
I guess the one on the left is the same as your tree Uvaia, but my short one still looks different from your bushy one. I noticed that just like mine, your bushy one also makes new pairs of leaves perpendicular to the pair under it (Spiral arrangement). Normal Uvaia seems to have all of them in pairs, but in the same plane (Opposite arrangement). Although this is not really a strong habit in my bushy one, maybe 60% of the leaves ar spiral, 40% opposite. The leaves of both have never turned red, even in frost.
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Congrats for your uvaias, to me, they are difficult to grow when babies. The glossy one looks strange to me. I agree about the colour fact: mines never turned red, till now I got these new ones and a particular one.
I think I will plant some with nice shade, maybe 100% shadow, because in full sun tend tu suffer a bit...
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Also, the pulp of the uvaias I tasted was totally juicy and sweet with some fibers (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2014/12/30/como-se-llama-la-fruta-que-cayo-del-arbol-hoy/ (http://www.huertasurbanas.com/2014/12/30/como-se-llama-la-fruta-que-cayo-del-arbol-hoy/)), not firm at all as the image from this e. pyriformis:
http://www.fruitipedia.com/Images%202/Uvalha%20fruits.jpg (http://www.fruitipedia.com/Images%202/Uvalha%20fruits.jpg)
is that a sign that my uvaia could be e. lutescens? (they were allways light green, never dark green, and there are some of them that turn red with cold temps, while others never seem to turn red...)
I never saw an uvaia with a firm pulp like that! All that I know has the same appearance as yours.
And you´re in lucky! No fruit flies.
There is an uvaia var known as ingabaú, which is said to produce sweet fruits: http://frutasrarasadhemar.blogspot.com.br/2016/07/eugenia-beaurepairiana-uvaia-do.html. (http://frutasrarasadhemar.blogspot.com.br/2016/07/eugenia-beaurepairiana-uvaia-do.html.) But yours don´t looks like that.
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Cassio: it's strange, out backyard use to be very attacked by fruit flies (arazá rojo, guavas, feijoas, plums, etc.), but they never attack my uvaias... rare. It's sweet, so must be lutescens or a cross or another thing.
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Cassio: it's strange, out backyard use to be very attacked by fruit flies (arazá rojo, guavas, feijoas, plums, etc.), but they never attack my uvaias... rare. It's sweet, so must be lutescens or a cross or another thing.
It´s really unespected! Fruit flies loves uvaias. You´re a lucky man!
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By the way, te pregunto esto en castellano porque en inglés no lo sé: ¿has notado que las uvaias -al menos esta de la cual hablo, plantada en el jardín- suelen mover sus hojas en momentos de mucho sol, sobre todo al mediodía? Las disponen paradas, verticalmente. Dejan de estar horizontales y se ponen todas apuntando al cielo. ¿Será una forma de protegerse de los rayos solares fuertes?
Have you noticed that -at least this of which I speak, planted in the garden- usually move their leaves in times of much sun, especially at midday ? The leaves stay vertically. They are no longer horizontal and start pointing to the sky. Would it be a way to protect against strong sunlight?
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(https://s17.postimg.cc/ns6jrfhvf/WP_20161013_11_58_34_Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ns6jrfhvf/)
(https://s17.postimg.cc/7igdoj77f/WP_20161013_12_04_43_Pro.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7igdoj77f/)
Hope the photo is clear enough to see the difference of tree type and my bush type. both turned up as seeds from Ricardo at same time. great little trees.
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Hi, I found this interesting post:
http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/193372/#b (http://davesgarden.com/guides/pf/go/193372/#b)
they call it eugenia pyriformis var argentea... so I should have that, I believe... also, when they talk about frost hardiness, it is what I believe this species should resist:
Hardiness:
USDA Zone 9a: to -6.6 °C (20 °F)
USDA Zone 9b: to -3.8 °C (25 °F)
USDA Zone 10a: to -1.1 °C (30 °F)
USDA Zone 10b: to 1.7 °C (35 °F)
USDA Zone 11: above 4.5 °C (40 °F)
a person wrote:
"On Aug 18, 2010, Kalpavriksha from Sarasota, FL wrote:
I was given a seedling of this plant to plant at my mom's in central Florida. 10 yrs later I was being asked what this fruit tree was?. It was a cold hardy, winter-deciduous, crepe myrtle sized tree that dropped its golden fruit all at once. The fruit taste resembled apricot.
If the fruits were not gathered, a single large stone remained."
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By the way, te pregunto esto en castellano porque en inglés no lo sé: ¿has notado que las uvaias -al menos esta de la cual hablo, plantada en el jardín- suelen mover sus hojas en momentos de mucho sol, sobre todo al mediodía? Las disponen paradas, verticalmente. Dejan de estar horizontales y se ponen todas apuntando al cielo. ¿Será una forma de protegerse de los rayos solares fuertes?
Have you noticed that -at least this of which I speak, planted in the garden- usually move their leaves in times of much sun, especially at midday ? The leaves stay vertically. They are no longer horizontal and start pointing to the sky. Would it be a way to protect against strong sunlight?
Yes, Marcos. I noticed this. Pitangas can do the same, pointing their leafs down sometimes. I think it is indeed a way to protect against strong sunlight. :)
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The problem is: are uvaias happy in full full sun or taking the hot sun of the afternoon on summer? I am starting to believe they really dont like it... at least this variety... 2.5m tall
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I think I found another eugenia lutescens lost into my poted plants
Now I see it very clear, take a look at this 2
one of them stays small, the leaves are very near and short, 5.5cm long, new sprouts are a bit pink, not brown like the other. This could be eugenia lutescens.
(https://s13.postimg.cc/okmek2zbn/eugenia_lutescens_uvaia_do_campo_huertasurbanas.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/okmek2zbn/)
(https://s13.postimg.cc/jahfssf2r/eugenia_lutescens_uvaia_do_campo_huertasurbanas.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jahfssf2r/)
(https://s13.postimg.cc/milx5u1cj/eugenia_lutescens_uvaia_do_campo_huertasurbanas.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/milx5u1cj/)
the other uvaias (eugenia pyriformis), taller ones, use to be bigger and growing faster, bigger leaves too: 9cm long, and new sprouts are brown, not pinkish.
(https://s13.postimg.cc/n9enbm3pv/eugenia_pyriformis_uvaia_huertasurbanas_com_IMG.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/n9enbm3pv/)
(https://s13.postimg.cc/jeb991kk3/eugenia_pyriformis_uvaia_huertasurbanas_com_IMG.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jeb991kk3/)
(https://s13.postimg.cc/595g78bir/eugenia_pyriformis_uvaia_huertasurbanas_com_IMG_2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/595g78bir/)
sube (https://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)
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In this photo I found at pinterest, you can notice the very small white hairs in the fruit of eugenia lutescens (I think there is no better photo on the net), this is what I ate from a planted tree at my backyard.
(https://s9.postimg.cc/qi1lie38v/uvaia_lutescens.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/jetq2rxt7/)subir imagenes gratis (https://postimage.org/index.php?lang=spanish)
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Hi Marcos,
I found this website that has pictures of the fruit of 4 different varieties of Uvaia next to each other. The owner of the website says that they have twenty different varieties of Uvaia!
http://www.todafruta.com.br/uvaia/ (http://www.todafruta.com.br/uvaia/)
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By the way, with that many varieties and different forms of Uvaia, I don't know if the scientific determination of the different subspecies has clear delineations. The botanical determination of a species by macroscopic outward traits could leave a few of the plants you have shown somewhere in the middle...
Do you - or anyone else - know what characteristics to look for, of a key to determine which subspecies you have?
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Hi Marcos,
I found this website that has pictures of the fruit of 4 different varieties of Uvaia next to each other. The owner of the website says that they have twenty different varieties of Uvaia!
http://www.todafruta.com.br/uvaia/ (http://www.todafruta.com.br/uvaia/)
Yes, it is amazing, I read that article a mont ago, impressive
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By the way, with that many varieties and different forms of Uvaia, I don't know if the scientific determination of the different subspecies has clear delineations. The botanical determination of a species by macroscopic outward traits could leave a few of the plants you have shown somewhere in the middle...
There´s a person that lives in the city of Arthur Nogueira, here in São Paulo, who claims to have 30 (!!!) different vars of uvaia. I have 2: the one that becomes a tree (piryformis) and the dwarf var (lutescens). I have piryformis sucsessfully fruiting in a pot of 40cmx30cm since two years. Lutescens is in a pot of the same size, flowering for the first time since I bought her. And this week I received 06 seeds of the giant uvaia. :)
I´m still seeking for seeds of the Eugenia beaurepairiana, another named var.
Do you - or anyone else - know what characteristics to look for, of a key to determine which subspecies you have?
Sometimes they are so subtle, that I can´t recognize the differences even when someone is pointing them to me. I think that some "vars", are hard to prove the existence.
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Cassio, get those 30 varieties for us! hey, what would be a giant uvaia? big tree or big fruit? size?
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Cassio, get those 30 varieties for us! hey, what would be a giant uvaia? big tree or big fruit? size?
Will be hard to get all of those 30 vars! ;D
By giant uvaia I´m talking about the fruit´s size. I have a photo and later I will show you. ;)
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Ok, as I promised here it goes a pic of the giant uvaias which the seeds were sent to me.
(https://s11.postimg.cc/k57p7g4lb/14359177_765881873552236_1410088314236497049_n_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/k57p7g4lb/)
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Seeds were obtained in January as a sweet variety. I was the opinion, the seeds descended all from the same mother plant. However, looking at the plants, this may not be the case.
To learn about the plants, I like to treat some plants differently. The small leaved plant spent the summer outside on a sunny balcony, since end of May. The two large leaved plants have been inside my attic appartment with vertical daylight, until the end of August, when I put them on the balcony, beside the small leaved plant. The difference just can´t be all environment. All three plants experienced some cold nights, lately. However, only the small leaved plant responded strongly, with leaves turning red.
(https://s17.postimg.cc/irkzg8jl7/uvaia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/irkzg8jl7/)
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Seeds were obtained in January as a sweet variety. I was the opinion, the seeds descended all from the same mother plant. However, looking at the plants, this may not be the case.
To learn about the plants, I like to treat some plants differently. The small leaved plant spent the summer outside on a sunny balcony, since end of May. The two large leaved plants have been inside my attic appartment with vertical daylight, until the end of August, when I put them on the balcony, beside the small leaved plant. The difference just can´t be all environment. All three plants experienced some cold nights, lately. However, only the small leaved plant responded strongly, with leaves turning red.
(https://s17.postimg.cc/irkzg8jl7/uvaia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/irkzg8jl7/)
Nice plant! can you take better photos of new growth? Yes, mines just the lutescens got red (old leaves, and new leaves), while the pyriformis old leaves are never red, but new sprouts are brown.
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I had a closer look. New growth is not so different. The green and large leaved type, seems slightly more pubescent and has longer hairs.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5oivkt4gt/uvaialeaves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5oivkt4gt/)
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I had a closer look. New growth is not so different. The green and large leaved type, seems slightly more pubescent and has longer hairs.
(https://s22.postimg.cc/5oivkt4gt/uvaialeaves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5oivkt4gt/)
they should be lutescens, as Helton wrote tiny hairs are from that species
Cassio: that big uvaias are very cool! I hope they taste well!
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Thank you Huertasurbanas. Great news. I will take extra care of this plant.
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Cassio: that big uvaias are very cool! I hope they taste well!
With luck, I can confirm it before 04 years. :)
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Heinrich, those are beautiful plants, and very big already after just one year of growth. Way bigger than my Uvaia's. Congratulations.
It's encouraging to see them growing that fast this far north in Europe. Keep us posted on how they are doing!
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I made a video with the differences:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6sXEF7loAE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6sXEF7loAE)
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Fruits are ripening very fast, this should be eugenia lutescens:
(https://s28.postimg.cc/ag0jg4h95/huertasurbanas_com_uvaias_enero_1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/ag0jg4h95/)
and maybe this should be eugenia pyriformis:
(https://s28.postimg.cc/3mb3ditwp/huertasurbanas_com_uvaias_enero_3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3mb3ditwp/)
or maybe they are all eugenia lutescens or hybrids... fruit taste will be the key to know it
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The one that was from a small bush, fell off and still green, so I should wait for another to ripe... but the ones from the poted taller trees are almost ripe now and produce this very good smell
(https://s23.postimg.cc/oxqw26m1z/huertasurbanas_com_20170117_112217uvaias_maduras.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/oxqw26m1z/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/7yhxmxauf/huertasurbanas_com_20170117_112217uvaias_maduras.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/7yhxmxauf/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/hx2w9ek9z/huertasurbanas_com_20170117_112217uvaias_maduras.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/hx2w9ek9z/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/sl6n88u93/huertasurbanas_com_20170117_112217uvaias_maduras.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/sl6n88u93/)
(https://s23.postimg.cc/5kzzvwwfb/huertasurbanas_com_20170117_112217uvaias_maduras.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5kzzvwwfb/)
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That looks super exciting! I can't wait to hear the different taste reports.
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Fine, Solko, all smell the same (similar to beer + yougourth or something like that), so I think all the fruits for now should be lutescens or an hybrid... but the one that fell off I am sure it is lutescens... sad that it fell green....
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See:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuoGWj7R6z4&feature=youtu.be (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuoGWj7R6z4&feature=youtu.be)
I picked up the first of them, from a poted tree that seems to be eugenia pyriformis and not lutescens: the flavour was acid and not sweet (different to my supposed planted lutescens), it had 2 small seeds. The tree has another bigger fruit almost ripe and there are coming a few more in 1 month or so, I will see if the next ones from this same tree could be sweeter. The flavour is good, just like the sweet one but not sweet, that's why brasilians love it for making juices.
And now I can understand why they added it to a beer: it tastes a bit like beer! To me, it's like a tangerine+beer flavour. Maybe it also can be used just like lemons (but it was not so acid as a lemon).
Yesterday I saw fruit flies at my pear tree, but no uvaia seems to be attacked... in the past years, none of them was ruined by the fruit fly, I dont know why, because guavas and strawberry guavas were allways killed by the fruit fly, but my uvaias seem to be untouchable.
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(https://s29.postimg.cc/5p9xu8ik3/huertasurbanas_com_20170120_190104uvaia_eugenia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/5p9xu8ik3/)
(https://s29.postimg.cc/rcyw4oiyb/uvaia_lutescens_huertasurbanas.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/rcyw4oiyb/)
(https://s29.postimg.cc/fcdg3ybjn/huertasurbanas_com_20170120_190104uvaia_eugenia.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/fcdg3ybjn/)
Today I picked the first supposed eugenia lutescens fruit from this year, the tree (planted on the soil) produced just a few, just like the last 2 years... I hope it will produce more now that some other uvaias are near.
Comparing it with the supposed eugenia pyriformis fruit, this one had the same smell, it looked just like the other one, but the seed was bigger (0.4cm diameter) (now i think that the other seeds (0.2 cm diameter) were aborted seeds) and the pulp was sweet/juicy, not so acid, I would say that the taste is very much like a tangerine.
Also, I think that e. lutescens is faster to get ripe.
Updated: now I tasted another supposed pyriformis from the potted tree, and it tasted better, sweeter than the first one, and with a bigger seed (0.6 cm diameter)... so the flavour is varying a bit... and I still dont know if I am talking about the correct species.
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Hi, today I was cutting a lot of uvaias to make an icecream (extracting the seeds), and tasting some of them, and I discovered something
THEY TASTE AS JABOTICABAS!
in the past, they remembered me to something: apricot, tangerine, beer, caramel, passionfruit, but today I felt they have this taste to jaboticabas
did anyone tasted the same?
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Today I picked the first supposed eugenia lutescens fruit from this year, the tree (planted on the soil) produced just a few, just like the last 2 years... I hope it will produce more now that some other uvaias are near.
Comparing it with the supposed eugenia pyriformis fruit, this one had the same smell, it looked just like the other one, but the seed was bigger (0.4cm diameter) (now i think that the other seeds (0.2 cm diameter) were aborted seeds) and the pulp was sweet/juicy, not so acid, I would say that the taste is very much like a tangerine.
Also, I think that e. lutescens is faster to get ripe.
Updated: now I tasted another supposed pyriformis from the potted tree, and it tasted better, sweeter than the first one, and with a bigger seed (0.6 cm diameter)... so the flavour is varying a bit... and I still dont know if I am talking about the correct species.
Marcos, uvaias can vary a lot, even when the fruits came from the same tree. Small and big fruits and seeds, with just 01 up to 03 seeds. Don´t worry.
About uvaias that tastes like jaboticabas, it is impossible! This fruit don´t exists! ??? But.... if you have one tree that produces fruits with this flavor, be sure to take to much care of her. :) 8)