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New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« on: November 22, 2022, 11:22:21 PM »
I tried a new Japanese pear variety today called "keisui." The crisp texture, juiciness, and floral flavor remind me a lot of Syzygium malaccense, which I've only found for sale in Hawaii (sold as "mountain apples"). I recommend trying this pear if you can get your hands on it, especially if you're craving some mountain apples.

Purchased at Tokyo Central in Gardena CA.











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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #1 on: November 23, 2022, 06:47:19 AM »
That is interesting. I once tried a very large purple pear shaped Syzygium malaccense that was like a fantastic juicy pear.
The Keisui pears in your post are Nashi pears.
How do they compare with other Nashi pears ?
We sometimes get Nashi imported from China, Ya Pears. They are very light and crisp textured. Juicy but crunchy.
Interested how these Keisui compare to other Nashi.
Are you going to grow out the Keisui seed ?


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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #2 on: November 23, 2022, 01:34:24 PM »
They're great! The best one I've had. I'm assuming they were cross pollinated so I don't think I'll be growing the seeds.

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #3 on: November 24, 2022, 12:17:48 AM »
I'm assuming they were cross pollinated so I don't think I'll be growing the seeds.

You might get closer than you think. Some people in Australia grew seed of a new hybrid plum and it fruited pretty close to original.
They might be bred by being  X pollinated but also maybe not AA X BB gives AB F1 hybrids.

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #4 on: November 25, 2022, 03:12:45 AM »
ZOMG!! I have been after mountain apple (I'm from Hawaii), and I've tried t raise and killed so many S. malaccense trees. I will definitely look into it, but they are probably not in Australia yet. . .

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #5 on: November 25, 2022, 04:19:07 AM »
Syzygium malaccense is also native to Nth Qld. The fruit is not as great as the really good types, but the plants are probably a lot tougher. It might be possible to graft an improved fruiting type onto a tougher rootstock plant malaccense. Maybe even another closely related Syzygium.
I have grown quite a few Nth Qld Syzygium, they are mostly fairly tough outside that area. I often found growing from seed was better than trying to move seedlings south.
The choice of pot mix is also important in helping them survive winter.
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #6 on: November 25, 2022, 10:04:29 PM »
I think you can fine this pear at Korean market.

Bacause it is normal pear in the South korea.


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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #7 on: November 26, 2022, 01:38:14 AM »
I think you can fine this pear at Korean market.
Bacause it is normal pear in the South korea.

I got some really nice big Nashi Pears at my Vietnamese grocery, the fruit came from Korea. Sorry, I don't know the name for Nashi in Korean.
Also got Ya pears from China a few years ago. Not exactly the same as Nashi.

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #8 on: November 26, 2022, 02:10:28 AM »
I got some really nice big Nashi Pears at my Vietnamese grocery, the fruit came from Korea. Sorry, I don't know the name for Nashi in Korean.
Also got Ya pears from China a few years ago. Not exactly the same as Nashi.
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Normal Korean Pear is call singo pear.

Here is cataloge of Pear species.

https://www.seedling.kr/board/shop/list.php?ca_id=1045

some species is same as your country.


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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #9 on: November 26, 2022, 09:30:21 AM »
Greg are you growing asian pears?  They can be grown in CA, we grow Hosui and the fruit are super good.  My kids go crazy for these fruits. 
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #10 on: November 26, 2022, 01:49:03 PM »
Greg are you growing asian pears?  They can be grown in CA, we grow Hosui and the fruit are super good.  My kids go crazy for these fruits.

Brad, do you have a pollenizer for the Hosui?

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #11 on: November 26, 2022, 06:26:49 PM »
I bought one of those dave wilson multigraft asian pear trees and I have a few other european pear trees and some apple trees nearby so it is getting it from somewhere.  I started removing the others on the multigraft and switching it all to hosui and theres one other good tasting one called shensinki or something.  I would have to look to be sure what the other good one is called.  There was a 20th century and some other type that were not as good.

The fruit taste awesome but they dont get very big here, i think the tree and fruit get stunted during summer from too much sun and heat.  Its overly exposed where its planted.  Seems like they would do better in a track home with some partial shading.
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #12 on: November 26, 2022, 08:25:09 PM »
Greg are you growing asian pears?  They can be grown in CA, we grow Hosui and the fruit are super good.  My kids go crazy for these fruits.

Not yet, currently in an apartment so space is limited. I will consider it when I have a yard.

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #13 on: November 28, 2022, 04:26:56 PM »
Thanks for the info, Brad. Have you had issues with fire blight on any of your Asian pears? I may need to find some space to put a couple pears in the ground. I loved the fruit growing up but it’s been a bit of an after thought until now.

Greg, thanks for the heads up on this post. I ended up going to Marukai and picked up a couple of these pears. Very excited to try these.

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« Reply #14 on: November 28, 2022, 04:37:42 PM »
I havent had any blight in my yard.  The pear trees are pretty clean and easy to grow.  The only thing is they sucker really bad from the rootstock which gets really old.

Actually regular pears don't seem to have the stunted fruit size like the asian pears.  They do pretty well, we pulled buckets of pears off of really small trees. 
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #15 on: November 28, 2022, 05:09:34 PM »
Hi Brad,

My Asian Pears on OHxF 333 do not sucker and is resistant to fireblight.  Not sure what rootstock my Hosui is on but that suckers constantly.  Have you tried Yoinaishi?  That's the best Asian pear I've ever tasted. 

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #16 on: November 28, 2022, 05:43:14 PM »
I dont think i have tried that one.  Ill have to look what rootstocks my pear treas are on.  Thry all sucker amlot it seemsmlike.

Can I graft asian pear onto european pear?  I have a couple junk european pears that need to be top worked.
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #17 on: November 28, 2022, 06:31:10 PM »
I've heard you can, but haven't tried it myself.  If you want to try the Yoinaishi, I'll bring you cuttings, just let me know.

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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2022, 07:16:53 PM »
Yes I would definitely like to try those.  If your tree is large, I would like to do several pear grafts.  But whatever you have to spare would be great.
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Re: New Japanese pear variety similar to Syzygium malaccense
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2022, 10:06:13 PM »
Spaugh,

You can graft Asian pears to European pears or vice versa.