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Re: Citsuma Prague
« Reply #150 on: October 15, 2022, 08:51:25 PM »
I am sure this has been asked but I did not want to go through the 250 comments to find the answer. Where can you buy the Citsuma Prague? 

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« Reply #151 on: November 11, 2023, 06:41:55 AM »
First post, so please forgive me: i'd like to add some citsumas to my collection and try them in my rather mild area in the ground. Can someone please provide me with a seller in europe (PT-rootstock)?

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« Reply #152 on: July 08, 2025, 03:41:12 AM »
I grafted some prague plants, some of them have the mentioned creeping growth habit which would benefit from staking. others are growing straight up. the source of the scionwood is the same.
has someone also seen such different growth habits?
is the chimera not stable enough so that different buds show different growth?
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« Reply #153 on: July 08, 2025, 09:42:25 AM »
For whatever the reason is, I've also had a single cultivar behave differently (like your two pictures) when grafted onto two different Poncirus seedlings.  No chimera was involved.

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« Reply #154 on: July 08, 2025, 01:14:56 PM »
For whatever the reason is, I've also had a single cultivar behave differently (like your two pictures) when grafted onto two different Poncirus seedlings.  No chimera was involved.

I've noticed this repeatedly as well. I have numerous examples of one graft that weeped and one that grew more upright. I think it has to do with whether or not they develop a strong central leader early in their development.

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« Reply #155 on: July 19, 2025, 06:53:49 PM »
I have both types in my garden as well. Even the new branches on the same graft some weep some grow straight up.

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« Reply #156 on: July 20, 2025, 07:28:15 AM »
I'm uncertain if one can apply principles from propagation of ornamental conifers. The position and orientation of the material collected for propagation can affect the growth habit of the subsequent plants. Growth taken from horizontal positions can retain the habit as low growing bushes.

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« Reply #157 on: July 20, 2025, 09:06:16 AM »
Kumin:  I've heard that as well.   I think it applies differently to different species, with some species the source position is quite critical.  Other species are affected much less, or not at all.  When I am making clonal copies of one of my trees, I usually just cut one twig to get multiple buds or pieces for grafting.  Yet that one twig can produce both a weeping clone and an upright clone.

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Re: Citsuma Prague
« Reply #158 on: October 31, 2025, 01:36:57 PM »
This year my  highly grafted Prague gives its first decent harvest










Fully ripe fruit, easily detached, good outside satsuma smell, rich orange color,
13°Brix, concentrated juice,  very pleasant satsuma like taste

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Re: Citsuma Prague
« Reply #159 on: October 31, 2025, 01:55:58 PM »
Tasty looking and pretty fruit!

Kumin:  I've heard that as well.   I think it applies differently to different species, with some species the source position is quite critical.  Other species are affected much less, or not at all.  When I am making clonal copies of one of my trees, I usually just cut one twig to get multiple buds or pieces for grafting.  Yet that one twig can produce both a weeping clone and an upright clone.

In that case I would guess the cuttings closest to the trunk produced the upright growth and the cuttings from closer to the tip end produced the weeping growth. Like responses to pruning to different nodes

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Re: Citsuma Prague
« Reply #160 on: November 05, 2025, 03:43:33 PM »
This year my  highly grafted Prague gives its first decent harvest










Fully ripe fruit, easily detached, good outside satsuma smell, rich orange color,
13°Brix, concentrated juice,  very pleasant satsuma like taste

Thank Ilya you for your interesting report.

The picture of the entire plant is interesting because it shows the variety of growth forms and thorn development. Taken together, these are all characteristics that my several, even smaller plants also exhibit, sometimes only individually.

As for the fruit, it seems to be mostly a pure mandarin, so few Poncirus cells are recognizable in the chimera... However, the thickening of the peel indicates a disorder, possibly PT cells. Have you tasted the peel, especially at this thicker spot?

What were the coldest temperatures your plant has already withstood?
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« Reply #161 on: November 06, 2025, 03:01:31 AM »


Thank Ilya you for your interesting report.

The picture of the entire plant is interesting because it shows the variety of growth forms and thorn development. Taken together, these are all characteristics that my several, even smaller plants also exhibit, sometimes only individually.

As for the fruit, it seems to be mostly a pure mandarin, so few Poncirus cells are recognizable in the chimera... However, the thickening of the peel indicates a disorder, possibly PT cells. Have you tasted the peel, especially at this thicker spot?

What were the coldest temperatures your plant has already withstood?

Thank you,
Indeed, everything is twisted in this variety, so no wonder the peel is not uniform.
I was always intrigued by the absence of trifoliate taste in its fruit reports.
The smell actually is of pure satsuma and neither albedo nor flavedo do not have any special notes, the bitterness is on the level of satsuma peel.
The same  can be said on the taste of central white region that is a part of vascular system, supposed to contain only poncirus cells.
I have had Prague since 2002, bought a  very small plant grafted on PT from B.Voss. It was in open since 2003, never protected , experienced many episodes with  frozen grounds, the lowest temperature was -16C in 2012, when it lost the tips on a new summer growth.
It was flowering but no fruits and stayed very small.
I never observed any pure poncirus or satsuma stems on it.
In 2016 I regrafted it on 1 m high poncirus stem, grown from the seeds sown in situ. Last year it brought the first fruits, that were ridiculously small. So, this year it has been its first harvest. The lowest temperature since 2016 was -11.5C.
Best regards,
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Re: Citsuma Prague
« Reply #162 on: November 08, 2025, 03:18:16 PM »
First post, so please forgive me: i'd like to add some citsumas to my collection and try them in my rather mild area in the ground. Can someone please provide me with a seller in europe (PT-rootstock)?


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