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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #50 on: May 28, 2025, 06:41:27 PM »
I was just scrolling, thinking I was understanding citrus or whatever… and now I’m panic-reading graft combos like I’m writing a whole damn thesis. Somebody really woke up one day and went, ‘what if we cross a kumquat with a lime?’ and just… did it. You people are out here treating citrus like a damn personality trait. Absolute citrus freaks. I’m horrified. I’m obsessed. This ain’t horticulture anymore—this is a full-blown cult. We’re not getting into heaven. I’ll see you in hell 🍊🫡🔥

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #51 on: May 29, 2025, 12:36:20 PM »
I was just scrolling, thinking I was understanding citrus or whatever… and now I’m panic-reading graft combos like I’m writing a whole damn thesis. Somebody really woke up one day and went, ‘what if we cross a kumquat with a lime?’ and just… did it. You people are out here treating citrus like a damn personality trait. Absolute citrus freaks. I’m horrified. I’m obsessed. This ain’t horticulture anymore—this is a full-blown cult. We’re not getting into heaven. I’ll see you in hell 🍊🫡🔥

The really wild part is that we know poncirus was being used as a rootstock at least as early as 1178, but there isn't much evidence that anyone was trying to hybridize with it until about 1900. And even then -- mostly to breed better rootstocks.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #52 on: May 29, 2025, 02:14:28 PM »
Probably, the main reason was the temporal isolation of poncirus from other citrus species (the so-called allochronic isolation). The flowering of poncirus occurs about a month earlier. Although there should have been overlaps from time to time, especially with remontant varieties. There must have been some other human factors.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #53 on: May 29, 2025, 04:15:42 PM »
The really wild part is that we know poncirus was being used as a rootstock at least as early as 1178, but there isn't much evidence that anyone was trying to hybridize with it until about 1900. And even then -- mostly to breed better rootstocks.

From what I know, while Jesus was dragging a cross up Calvary to redeem humanity, some guy in Han Dynasty China—barefoot, shirt half off, Asian eyes locked in—was crouched in a rice field, jamming random citrus budwood into poncirus. No real reason. Just vibes.

He had absolutely no idea what he was doing, but his face said, “This is the center of the universe.” And somehow, the graft took. So now, here we are; still dealing with it.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #54 on: June 01, 2025, 04:39:48 PM »
Probably, the main reason was the temporal isolation of poncirus from other citrus species (the so-called allochronic isolation). The flowering of poncirus occurs about a month earlier. Although there should have been overlaps from time to time, especially with remontant varieties. There must have been some other human factors.
Under wet and hot conditions poncirus is making several flushes and flower up to three times a season.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #55 on: June 01, 2025, 08:43:00 PM »
Probably, the main reason was the temporal isolation of poncirus from other citrus species (the so-called allochronic isolation). The flowering of poncirus occurs about a month earlier. Although there should have been overlaps from time to time, especially with remontant varieties. There must have been some other human factors.
Under wet and hot conditions poncirus is making several flushes and flower up to three times a season.

Which suggests it should have been possible at some point to make crosses, especially with other repeat blooming citrus like lemons.

And yet, before around 1900, no crosses seem to have been made.

The likely explanation is that what few crosses did happen were mostly accidental and ignored or thrown away.

There was very, very little intentional breeding work with controlled crosses in the past. And even less long term needing work with multiple generations. Taking two very different pants, each with desired traits, and intentionally crossing them and breeding and selecting successive generations over long periods of time until both traits were combined was almost unheard of until the modern period. People saved seed, planted what they needed, and propagated stuff that they liked. On the random chance open pollination gave them sometime good on the first generation they're keep it, otherwise they just kept propagating the same stuff. That's fine if you have a few hundred years to wait for marginal improvements, but there's no way in a thousand years you'd breed a hardy citrus in a traditional agriculture setting. Landraces with open pollination and other old school systems have their advantages, but breeding new and interesting things from wide crosses isn't realistic under those conditions. The few trifoliate hybrids that did occur naturally in the past were probably tossed on the rubbish heap after their first fruit ripened.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #56 on: June 02, 2025, 04:56:44 AM »
Still, it is strange since  poncirus has been used in Chinese traditional medicine for thousand of years.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #57 on: June 02, 2025, 06:18:32 AM »
Citruses where not that popular in the past as they are now. Common people where focused on plants usable as energy source. Only really rich people could grow plants just for ornamental purpouse or as culinar oddity. For example, for centuries, candied peel was the most important usage of citrus.


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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #58 on: August 30, 2025, 08:34:24 PM »
Anyone have any info on Finger Lime 13335.01.03? There’s no info from Madison and I can’t find any elsewhere.
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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #59 on: January 27, 2026, 04:59:55 PM »
Any of these with a standout zest? I have bergamot and am looking for others to experiment with making teas.

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Re: All those new Madison Citrus varieties
« Reply #60 on: January 27, 2026, 07:59:39 PM »
Any of these with a standout zest? I have bergamot and am looking for others to experiment with making teas.

Depends on what you're looking for, but I've found that meyer lemon and honeybell/minnoela tangelo have nice perfumey rind scend.