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collaborative bookmarking
« on: February 15, 2023, 12:20:54 PM »
do you use the bookmark feature?  not sure why it took me so long to start using it, seems rather useful.  right now i have around 50 bookmarks.  i wonder who has the most?

honestly iíd love it if everyoneís bookmarks were public.  if you live in the same type of climate as me, and/or collect the same types of fruits as me, iím sure that plenty of your bookmarks would be useful to me... and vice versa.

having access to each otherís bookmarks would lower our chances of overlooking the best threads/fruits.  overlooking the best things is one of the worst thingsÖ

Flora notes of soursop, sweetness of pineapple, a Note of Fuji apple, mango, banana, passion fruit combined; why the hell I did not plant this three decades ago???

he was referring to whitman fiberless soursop, which certainly isnít the best in terms of cold toleranceÖ

I am tire of loosing my award winning whitman fiberless & countless superior A. Muricata to Florida countless freeze that kill my joy.  I embark on a quest to find the perfect A. Glabra pond apple, the perfect dwarf coconuts, the perfect A. Montana to replace all my A. Muricata.  A. montana is a very prolific producer, but tree can be quite massive if not mantain; its practically disease resistant & newer selected strains are producing fruit that will soon rival other esteem Annonas by me & a few fruit fanatic brothers in arms in North West Florida.

thereís always room for improvement, so what's "best" changes often, which makes it challenging to keep up with everything.

so letís try collaborative bookmarking.  basically weíll share our most useful bookmarks with each other.  this might, however, result in a long list of bookmarks so the big question is, which would be the best way to order them? 

1. voting
2. donating

voting is fine if you merely "like" coconutís threads, but if you LOVE them, then donating is more useful, in theory.  the more money you donate for his threads the more attention you'd draw to them and the more you would help this website and community grow.

perhaps youíre not convinced.  well, one of the most effective ways to decide whether something is the best is to conduct a side-by-side experiment, like soÖ

reddit
sheet

i created that reddit group (aka "subreddit") specifically for our bookmarks.  if you donít already have an account you can sign up with your google/gmail account.  then you just copy and paste the urls of your most useful bookmarks into the group, if they arenít already there, by clicking "post" and then the link tab (titles are automatically generated).  we can vote each otherís bookmarks up, or down.

the google sheet is for the donation approach.  1st youíd make a donation to the tropical fruit forum, for example $5, and then youíd reply to this thread like soÖ

$3, bookmark url #1, durian, breeding, florida
$1, bookmark url #2, california, subtropical, garcinia, cold
$1, bookmark url #3, grafting, annona

iíd update the google sheet accordingly. 

admittedly this wonít be a perfect side-by-side experiment but hopefully it will help clarify the difference between these two ways of collectively determining whatís important.  at the very least itís a good opportunity to share our most useful bookmarks with each other.







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Re: collaborative bookmarking
« Reply #1 on: February 15, 2023, 12:40:54 PM »
I've used bookmarks since shortly after I became involved with the TFF.

But I'm not sure that a collaborative arrangement would work well enough to make doing so worthwhile, what with the wide range of very differing interests that members of a sizeable group such as ours have.

But I do find that bookmarks are useful for my own personal interests and I counted and see that I have 31 bookmarks as of this writing.

It might be useful though to have a hashtag feature available which might be helpful for flagging/looking up various topics.

Just my 2Ę worth . . .

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Re: collaborative bookmarking
« Reply #2 on: February 15, 2023, 12:52:23 PM »
Bookmarks are nice. I use them for old threads that are good, but dead. I don't see a reason to donate to promote the best bookmarks.
Just make a thread Titled "Best Bookmarks" and have people post their favorite bookmarks with a brief description of the thread. No reason to donate more when the donations are already covered unless there's a need for more money to support the forum. Just my take.

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Re: collaborative bookmarking
« Reply #3 on: February 15, 2023, 01:59:30 PM »
But I'm not sure that a collaborative arrangement would work well enough to make doing so worthwhile, what with the wide range of very differing interests that members of a sizeable group such as ours have.
i just added all my bookmarks to reddit... https://www.reddit.com/r/tffbookmarks/

if you get a chance look through them and let me know how many of them match your preferences.  if you added all 31 of your bookmarks to reddit i'm sure at least a few of them would match my preferences.

if everyone added all their bookmarks to reddit then the number of votes for each bookmark would allow us to see the breadth of its usefulness.  but in order to see the depth of a bookmark's usefulness we'd have to use the donation approach.

It might be useful though to have a hashtag feature available which might be helpful for flagging/looking up various topics.
with all forums it's inevitable that lots of useful threads end up being buried under new threads.  finding the old but useful threads can be facilitated by tagging and/or categorization.

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Re: collaborative bookmarking
« Reply #4 on: February 15, 2023, 02:38:49 PM »
Bookmarks are nice. I use them for old threads that are good, but dead. I don't see a reason to donate to promote the best bookmarks.
Just make a thread Titled "Best Bookmarks" and have people post their favorite bookmarks with a brief description of the thread. No reason to donate more when the donations are already covered unless there's a need for more money to support the forum. Just my take.
good but dead?  hmmm...

I found an old post of Harry's on gardenweb today that talked a fair bit about Kwai Muk.  It got me to thinking about its potential as a rootstock for jackfruit here in southern California.  I wonder if it might impart a bit more hardiness to its jackfruit scion in marginal growing areas.  Does anyone have experience, or even second-hand knowledge of interspecific grafting of Artocarpus?  I have a Kwai Muk coming from Bryan at Montoso Gardens already, and I may have to experiment.  Mwa ha ha ha!
Thanks for posting, Luc.  I assume that this species must vary considerably in quality because I have had people tell me it is not worth growing and others say it is very good.  I tried it for the first time about a week ago and it was very tasty.  Anyone know if this can be grafted onto other Artocarpus roostock? (since I don't have any Kwai Muk rootstock)  I guess that might also speed up the growth rate a little as well...

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I'm curious if anyone in California has figured out which Artocarpus is the most vigorous for use as rootstock.  Right now I'm growing seedlings of Jackfruit, Wild Jack, and Kwai Muk, and of the three Wild Jack (A. hirsutus) grows the fastest for me.  I haven't tried grafting any Artocarpus yet, and I've heard in general it can be a bit tricky, but I'm willing to try if one might be a good rootstock for some of the more rare Artocarpus species that generally don't do well in our climate.
i also want to know the answer.  so at least four people want to know the answer, does this motivate you to try grafting kwai muk and jackfruit?  what if 100 people want to know the answer?  100,000?

reddit makes it easy to see how many people want to know an answer, but it doesn't reveal how urgently they want to know the answer.  for that we need donations.  then, and only then, will we be the most helpful to each other.

does the tff truly need more money?  well, how much money do you think that the tff should spend on advertising?  should it spend enough to put up 1 small billboard in 1 small city?  or should it spend enough to put up 10 big billboards each in 100 big cities?

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Re: collaborative bookmarking
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2023, 12:13:44 PM »
i donated $10 to the tff.  after considerable soul searching, here's how i decided to divide my donated dollars among my bookmarks, which are now legion...

$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=109.0  grafting, multi-rootstock
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=49921.0  conservation, interview, travel
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=48460.0  park, california, southern
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=10030.0  annona, montana, soursop, breeding, hybridizing, cold
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=43237.0  garcinia, pacuri, argentina, cold
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=33339.0  garcinia, luc, mexico, california, southern
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=46678.0  myrica, rubra, californica, cerifera, yangmei, grafting, california
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=40723.0  kwai-muk, artocarpus, hypargyraeus, california, southern
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=8767.0  annona, rollinia, deliciosa, biriba, california, southern
$1 https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=18016.0  annona, muricata, soursop, guanabana, california, southern

i don't equally value these bookmarks so i'm not being 100% honest, but right now there aren't any other bookmarks on the sheet.  no scrolling required.

the order of the bookmarks, however, is completely honest, but very possibly incorrect, given that iíve only tasted one of the fruits (soursop) and have only briefly grown the rest, except for kwai muk and lucís garcinia which i donít have... yet. 

iím guessing that once I finally taste all these fruits that iíll order them differently, maybe very differently.  of course iíd very much like to taste them all sooner rather than later.  therefore... recruiting.  hopefully sharing these bookmarks will adequately inspire and inform all my plant friends.  itís entirely possible that they will fruit some, if not all, of these fruit trees before me, especially if they figure out the optimal rootstock combination.

the idea of multi-rootstock grafting is so cool.  admittedly i donít have any concrete evidence that itís effective but i really love the idea of two or more plants benefiting from each otherís differences.  same goes for people.  weíre all so different.  itís a good thing.

perhaps youíve already tasted all these fruits and firmly believe that none of them is superior to a decent mango, lychee, loquat, guava, cherimoya, sapote or fig.  whichever is your fav, all it takes to put it at the top of the sheet is a $2 dollar donation to the tff.