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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango not receiving full sun in winter
« on: June 30, 2024, 07:41:21 PM »
I have a spot in front of my house where I would like to place a big busy mango like a CAC to provide blockage of the view of the street. The only thing is this spot does not receive full sun all year long. In the winter, late fall, and early spring it does not get full sun, but still receives a few hrs a day during these times. Would this really effect growth since it is mainly during when the tree is dormant? When we talk about full sun, do we mean year round or just during the growing/fruiting season?

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I am looking for a CAC mango in or around Vero Beach.

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I am looking for Duncan, Pickering and Honey kiss scions for a grafting project. Looking to get 3-4 per. Located on FL treasure coast.

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When we moved into our house in September, there were three unknown potted mango trees that were left and one unknown mango tree in the ground. Since we had the space and I did not want these potted mangos to die, I went ahead and put the three unknown mangos in the ground near the previously planted unknown mango. All of them have been doing pretty well and kicking out a lot of new growth. One in particular is doing VERY well with a very nice bushy structure and many terminal ends; however, I am debating top working these into varieties that I know and want. Here are my thoughts.

First, I do not think two of these trees are grafted. As you can see from the pictures, two of the trees have growth tied off. I thought this could be growth from the root stock popping out, or maybe they are shoots from a poly embryonic seed they tried to stop. So do you think those tie offs are from grafting or from poly embryonic shoots? I know they were trying to do some work with trees and possibly selling as a nursery, so could they be root stock they were growing? Even if it is a graft, I do not know if it is the root stock or graft that “won” and which is growing

Second, the other two trees have a nice V structure, but I cannot tell if these are grafts either. These second two are the ones that are doing the best, but idk if they are grafted or from seed. Do you think these V shaped trees are double grafts or just grown from seed?

My main concern with just letting these 4 trees go is I will be waiting 7-10 year to get fruit if they are not grafted. It maybe cool to just let them go and see what I get, as I have several other trees; however, it would be a long time to let them grow, possibly fruit, then have to wait for new grafts to produce if the original fruit is bad. The whole thing ultimately is not a huge issue as I have several other trees, but I am trying to plan things out. The main corse of action I am leaning towards is grafting/top working the two trees that have the shoots tied off and let the other two V shaped bushy trees go. Thoughts?











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Tropical Fruit Buy, Sell & Trade / WTB mangos Treasure Coast, FL
« on: June 10, 2024, 08:09:51 AM »
Looking to buy various mango fruit varieties around Vero Beach, FL. I am wanting to try out various varieties to see what other mango varieties I would like to plant.

Thank you

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Anyone have a Tommy Atkins mango?
« on: June 02, 2024, 12:30:50 PM »
I wanted to round out my mango collection with a few big producing, disease resistant, vigorous mango trees. The intent with these is reliable food production for the family. I already have Valencia Pride, Glenn, Keitt, NDM, O-15, Carrie, Coconut Cream, M4 and Sweet tart, but was looking for another tree like the VP that would be a big producer. I know everyone looks down on the Tommy Atkins, but I have heard that they are a lot better when grown at home and allowed to ripen properly. I was thinking about getting one to have a solid, no hassle producer. Thoughts? Also any other recommendations for big, disease resistant producers like VP and Tommy Atkins? I have also been thinking about CAC, Florigon, Bailey’s Marvel and maybe something like Maha Chanok (do these guys fit the bill?)

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / What is wrong with my brogdon avocado?
« on: June 02, 2024, 12:16:23 PM »
Trying to figure out what is going on with my brogdon avocado. I put it in the ground several months ago from a 3 gallon. It did well at first showing abundant new growth. It was one of the best that I put in the ground. Now almost all that new growth is drooping and curling. The leaves do not seem dry, spotted or crunch, just droopy and curling. I water twice a week and have been fertilizing once a month with 6-4-6 mango and avocado fertilizer. I haven’t changed anything of my care since I first planted. My one thought is with the increased sun, that maybe effecting it. Another thought was maybe over watering. Any input is appreciated






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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Mango panicle with leaves and flowers?
« on: May 07, 2024, 02:00:39 PM »
I have a larger grafted Nam Doc Mai I planted. Since hasn’t even been in the ground a year, I am pruning panicles as recommended (leaving a little of the panicle so a new one doesn’t start). However the tree kicked out several long, thick panicles that developed flowers and leaves out of the same spot. Is this long, thick, pink panicle actually going to turn into a branch? I went ahead and trim this panicle with leaves and flowers, but should I not have? Do mangos sometimes kick out a mix of flowers and leaves on what will be permanent branches? I had another equally long and thick panicle with only flowers

Please note on the picture, some of the flowers were cut off. You can see the nubs right above the leaves



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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Victoria Avocado variety
« on: March 28, 2024, 02:07:39 PM »
Does anyone know anything about Victoria Avocado trees or have any experience with them? My local nursery has some, but I cannot seem to find any info on them

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We all know that it is important to prune mango and avocado flowers/small fruit the first few years to allow the roots to establish themselves. My question is, what other of the big tropical fruits should you do the same. For example, you do not hear people talking about not letting starfruit bear fruit the first couple years. Should you apply the same principle of mangos and avocados to things like sapodilla, sapote, starfruit, mamey, jackfruit, lychee, etc.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Banana variety tastes
« on: March 27, 2024, 08:34:30 AM »
We are looking at doing a bed/area of banana trees. My wife was thinking of just doing cavendish bananas, but I was thinking we should grow some things we don’t get in the store. So first question is what are some of your favorite banana varieties based on taste? Size isn’t a big issue but probably would like to stay around the 6-7 foot range. Second question is does anyone know a good place to try several different varieties that is semi close to the treasure coast? I think if we could taste a few different varieties, then maybe we would want more than the cavendish.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Maria vs Maria Black Avocado
« on: March 25, 2024, 09:16:27 AM »
I was at my local garden store and they had some 3 gallon avocado trees labeled “Maria”. Not “Maria B”, but just “Maria”. I went ahead and pick one up assuming it was a Maria Black that I have heard a lot about; however, after getting it home and looking more into it, it seems there may actually be just a Maria avocado that is different from Maria Black. Everglades trees lists a Maria avocado that show as a vigorous grower, vs what I know of a Maria Black being a dwarf. I have space for it either way, so it’s going in the ground. I just want to know if there is actually a Maria and if that is what I got. I may go back and ask the place I purchased it and ask where they got the shipment of trees from

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In my planting of mango and avocado, I have planted different varieties to span the season and have fruit more of the year. I have been looking into sapodilla and see the same thing can be done with them. Can anyone recommend 3 or so tree varieties that will of set each other and allow for more fruit throughout the year? Space really isn’t an issue, just concerned about productivity and spacing out the fruiting seasons.

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Planting a Red Jaboticaba in the ground?
« on: March 19, 2024, 10:23:53 PM »
I recently picked up a nice looking red Jaboticaba in a 7 gallon pot. After doing a fair amount of reading, it seems a lot of people like to grow them in pots to ensure the soil can be acidic. While I do have some big pots to use, I think I would rather plant it in the ground to allow it to grow to its full potential and hight. Is it hard for these trees to do well and be productive in the sandy soils in Florida? Are there certain fertilizers that can be given to help ensure a slightly acidic soil? We have a lot of Australia pine around, so I was thinking I could regularly mulch the tree with fresh green needles. Anyone had luck with Jabos in the ground?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Avocado black mold?
« on: March 01, 2024, 05:25:38 PM »
I found a day avocado at my local garden center that had a nice structure and looked healthy. My only concern was a black sooty residue that was growing on the branches (pic below). The leaves were nice and green and everything else looked fine; however, I had a concern about the black stuff on the tree and didn’t buy. Can anyone help me identify what this black substance is? I am new to avocados, but feel the limbs shouldn’t look like this. Whatever this is, would it hard the mango in any way, or is it normal?


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I am looking to round out my mango trees with early and late season trees. The early variety I am looking at is Edward and the late season variety I am looking at is keitt. I am located on the FL treasure coast and cannot seem to find any local nurseries around me that sells either variety. Does anyone know of a nursery near me that regularly stocks either? If there aren’t any local, are there any good nurseries to have them shipped from? I prefer local though as I generally like to get more mature trees

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Are these coconut palms?
« on: February 23, 2024, 03:30:11 PM »
Are these two trees coconut palms? I have no way of contacting the previous owners of the house to see if coconut palms is what they planted. No fruit has been noted on them, but we haven’t lived here for a year. They are both rather tall, approximately 15-20 feet, so I am assuming rather old. If they were coconut palms, wouldn’t they be bearing fruit by now? Any help you can give on identifying coconut palms is much appreciated.







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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Are these coconut palms?
« on: February 23, 2024, 03:29:30 PM »
Duplicate

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Ok so we picked up a large Valencia Pride from our local nursery. It is in a 30 gallon pot and stands 7 feet tall. My question is would you let this tree fruit this year after planting? What about maybe not full fruiting, but let it carry a hand full of mangos? I was maybe thinking about letting it fruit because it is such a vigorous variety and it is so large. There are people who grow mangos in 30 gal pots. My one apprehension would be allowing the roots to establish, or is that not a huge deal with a large vigorous tree such as this? Is there kind of a general rule of thumb with trunk diameter, height, etc and fruiting, or is it just better to give at least a year to let the roots establish?

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Tropical Fruit Discussion / Propagating FL orchard without a nursery
« on: January 04, 2024, 12:36:29 PM »
So we recently moved on some acreage. On thing we want to do is start a fairly large orchard/food forest. We have planted a few grafted mango varieties, star fruit, and mulberry. We are also looking at getting a few good grafted avocado varieties to start a good solid Avocado crop in a few years. The only thing is buying grafted trees from a nursery can get expensive, especially when done to a large scale. We have looked at self propagating fruit from our grafted nursery trees and other sources; however, from what I have been reading mango and avocado are not the best to propagate from seeds because they may not produce true to their parent. Also I was reading that avocados and sometimes mango might not even fruit at all if propagated from seeds. I am reluctant to try and propagate, grow, and care for a tree for 10 years just to find out it doesn’t fruit.

My first question is what are some fruit trees that propagate well from seeds? Fruit production early is not a huge issue so long as there is more of a guarantee of getting fruit. I have heard star fruit is good for this

Second are there some fruits that do well with air grafting?

Third, am I thinking wrong about mango and avocado propagation from seeds? Are there ways to better ensure production from trees from seeds? Also should I be looking at grafting (I am clueless about this)

Just trying to figure out how to do a food forest as economically as possible without heavily relying on the local nursery. Thank you.

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