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Title: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 22, 2021, 09:17:59 PM
Hello everyone,
I am planning a group order from Andre to order some new seeds. I didn't expect so many people to be interested, so I am making this thread to keep things organized.


Here is the google doc I made with all the seed prices and availibility.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wU4S08SesQrfc1_TmefDWmNSwoDEeDMhFcmmuZ-6Kx4/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1wU4S08SesQrfc1_TmefDWmNSwoDEeDMhFcmmuZ-6Kx4/edit?usp=sharing)
Minimum order of 10 seeds per species - If you want less than 10 seeds, you will need to share with someone else.
Here is how the order is going to go -
-People interested in buying choose their seeds.
-Once deadline happens, I tell seller what we are buying and how many
-seller to determine how much it will be (phytosanitary and shipping and other fees)
-The shipping and phytosanitary cert. cost and fees will be distributed evenly between people buying seeds.
-Costs will be calculated and I will let you know how much you need to pay (seeds you are buying + your share of fees)
-You will pay me, then I will pay seller
-Seeds are shipped
-I receive seeds in US and ship to you.


This is for USA only. (No international buyers)


The advantages of doing a group order is that we all save on shipping and phytosanitary cert. costs as these can be pretty high.
Also the order allows people to buy fewer amounts of seeds while still getting a good deal on shipping etc.


Please post or pm me what seeds you are interested in buying and I'll add you to the google sheets.







Questions, Comments, and other remarks are welcomed below :) .


. The list caps out at 10, after that you will need to communicate with others...Want to share seeds? Try contacting someone on that list. I do not have the time to ship more than 15 packages to different people. If you live near someone on the list, consider adding orders together or getting them to ship to you.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Olxdd_ZJ2tWz6y7y1KlPma_9nXOJEjcjiyVdti85yI4/edit?usp=sharing (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Olxdd_ZJ2tWz6y7y1KlPma_9nXOJEjcjiyVdti85yI4/edit?usp=sharing)

Update 11/25/21:
Happy Thanksgiving everyone!

Also the seller has sent me a LOT of pictures. I'll upload them tomorrow so everyone can decide.
Once again, if you have not sent me a pm with what you are buying by november 27, you are NOT on the order and will be left off. Sorry for the short notice...but if we take more time deciding, the seeds could go bad, and I still need to collect payment for the seeds also.

List caps of at 10. Please realize that it is first come first serve, unless I have talked with you before, you are not on after 10 people.
Will update list later tonight. Right now there are 8 people confirmed, (1 person is representing a group of others)


Update 11/25/21

Order is finished...This means that I am accepting no new people to the list. People who have already pmd me can change their order.
If you have sent me a pm, you will be added to the list. I will update the list. I need everyone's order by the 27th.

Please read last couple of posts on this thread - I need everyone's cooperation. Thanks for understanding and have a happy turkey day!

Update 11/26/21:
Order is closing I need everyone to review what you are buying before I let seller know. It's getting crazy, so I need all of you peoples cooperation. I'll get back to you if the order is good once seller responds after I send list and will calculate payments. Then we collect payment (Everyone can cooperate please?) Anyway, have a great weekend.

Please read newest post.


































We are in the payment stage, I sent out pms to everyone on the order. Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: hammer524 on November 22, 2021, 09:36:08 PM
Interested, thanks for setting this up. What is the currency listed on the seed list?
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Ognin525 on November 22, 2021, 09:38:27 PM
Im interested as well.... also confused on currency cada?
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: shilohtech on November 22, 2021, 10:08:26 PM
Interested as well.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: ManVFruit on November 22, 2021, 10:10:19 PM
I am interested,

ps: cada means 'each' in Portuguese.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: AndrewAZ on November 22, 2021, 10:54:28 PM
So, when it says 5,00 cada, is that $5 a seed or $5 for ten seeds
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: joe_OC on November 22, 2021, 11:34:04 PM
Per Seed...
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: nattyfroootz on November 23, 2021, 12:43:04 AM
Are you getting a permit coming into the US? Is the phytosanitary something required coming from brazil?
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: BenjaminJohnson on November 23, 2021, 02:09:34 AM
Interested.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 23, 2021, 07:00:34 AM
Are you getting a permit coming into the US? Is the phytosanitary something required coming from brazil?
Seller ships with phytosanitary, not sure if it is required. I assume that there is no reason for a small lots of seed permit if there is a phyto. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Elopez2027@aol.com on November 23, 2021, 08:41:35 AM
I want to point out that for one seed it’s like $5 each but if you buy…let’s say 5 seeds..it’s like $16 total. The list
Given to jaboticaba45 is for ‘cada’. Check Andres other list which he posted a few days ago.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Elopez2027@aol.com on November 23, 2021, 08:50:17 AM
I apologize. Got confused with Andres Pires and huertasurbanas. Brazil and Argentina. I thought they where related somehow. Sorry again.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Polypterus on November 23, 2021, 11:29:31 AM
If anyone is interested, I wouldn't mind sharing seeds like jaboticaba45 mentioned, as I don't need but 3-5. Preferably more precocious varieties.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Jabba The Hutt on November 23, 2021, 11:40:00 AM
Also interested in sharing! Plinia, Eugenia, Annona maybe a few others
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: elouicious on November 23, 2021, 12:11:21 PM
Are you getting a permit coming into the US? Is the phytosanitary something required coming from brazil?
Seller ships with phytosanitary, not sure if it is required. I assume that there is no reason for a small lots of seed permit if there is a phyto. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You still need a permit even with Phyto-

I have one and may be able to assist with this part
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 23, 2021, 12:18:54 PM
Are you getting a permit coming into the US? Is the phytosanitary something required coming from brazil?
Seller ships with phytosanitary, not sure if it is required. I assume that there is no reason for a small lots of seed permit if there is a phyto. Someone correct me if I am wrong.
You still need a permit even with Phyto-

I have one and may be able to assist with this part
Thanks for the heads up. Order will not be placed until I can secure a permit. Let me know of what you have in mind.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: hammer524 on November 23, 2021, 12:53:38 PM
From my experience the turn around time of getting a permit is pretty quick.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Pedroboy on November 23, 2021, 01:38:56 PM
One of the items on the inventory provided that interests me is Bacupari (G. Gardneriana).

Just wondering if anybody out there can render a verdict on both the adaptability and fruit quality of
Bacupari vs. Achachairu (G. Humilis). Among the usual list of Florida sellers - PIN, Everglades and  Plantogram, Achachairu is the one that's always offered.

I'm currently growing a handful of Luc's Garcinia in the shade of some canopy (but without special protection otherwise) here on the No. Central Calif. Coast without incident so far, and am curious to know if I can expect Luc's to be the toughest of the bunch. Thanks for any input.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: 9B in Brazil on November 23, 2021, 02:50:32 PM
Do you have any description for the many varieties offered, such as fruit to seed ratio, Brix/sweetness, fruit size, and precociousness? 
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Bush2Beach on November 23, 2021, 02:57:29 PM
Yes Luc’s is the toughest of the bunch, and still a dioecious, 20 year total longshot for coastal nor cal.
Aichacharu is one of the tastiest Garcinia’s, I enjoy them alot more than mangosteen, but I’ve killed them all multiple times.  quote author=Pedroboy link=topic=45745.msg445485#msg445485 date=1637692736]
One of the items on the inventory provided that interests me is Bacupari (G. Gardneriana).

Just wondering if anybody out there can render a verdict on both the adaptability and fruit quality of
Bacupari vs. Achachairu (G. Humilis). Among the usual list of Florida sellers - PIN, Everglades and  Plantogram, Achachairu is the one that's always offered.

I'm currently growing a handful of Luc's Garcinia in the shade of some canopy (but without special protection otherwise) here on the No. Central Calif. Coast without incident so far, and am curious to know if I can expect Luc's to be the toughest of the bunch. Thanks for any input.
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Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Daintree on November 23, 2021, 03:56:37 PM
Hi Jaboticaba45,
I have a permit also.  It is super easy to get the stuff to your seller.
Someone with a current permit (me or Elouicious for example, or you, if you get one. Permits are good for several years.) just scans in the next mailing label in their possession.
Then email the pdf or jpeg of the label to the exporter.  Tell them to print it IN COLOR. I usually tell them to print it larger than real size because the printing is so small on them.  Each label can only be used once. They are individually numbered.

They attach it to the outside of the package.
They ALSO need to provide a seed list, such as the one attached here.  The list must contain certain things (permit #, etc).  I usually send them a list with my name, #, etc.  Then they list the seeds, who collected them and where.

The package gets shipped to the USDA center on the permit label.  They go through it then send it on.  My port is Seattle, because it is close to me, the folks there are really nice, AND it is not ridiculously busy like the Florida ports.

(https://i.postimg.cc/WFJtDFKr/Seed-List-example.png) (https://postimg.cc/WFJtDFKr)

Anyway, if you need help, just holler.  I do this all the time when I travel.  I mail dozens of packages home from trips.

Also, IF the phyto is costing you money, you can send this way WITHOUT a phyto. Cheap, easy.

Cheers,
Carolyn
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: sbpalms on November 23, 2021, 04:47:11 PM
Interested. Sent a PM.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 23, 2021, 07:39:40 PM
Hi Jaboticaba45,
I have a permit also.  It is super easy to get the stuff to your seller.
Someone with a current permit (me or Elouicious for example, or you, if you get one. Permits are good for several years.) just scans in the next mailing label in their possession.
Then email the pdf or jpeg of the label to the exporter.  Tell them to print it IN COLOR. I usually tell them to print it larger than real size because the printing is so small on them.  Each label can only be used once. They are individually numbered.

They attach it to the outside of the package.
They ALSO need to provide a seed list, such as the one attached here.  The list must contain certain things (permit #, etc).  I usually send them a list with my name, #, etc.  Then they list the seeds, who collected them and where.

The package gets shipped to the USDA center on the permit label.  They go through it then send it on.  My port is Seattle, because it is close to me, the folks there are really nice, AND it is not ridiculously busy like the Florida ports.

(https://i.postimg.cc/WFJtDFKr/Seed-List-example.png) (https://postimg.cc/WFJtDFKr)

Anyway, if you need help, just holler.  I do this all the time when I travel.  I mail dozens of packages home from trips.

Also, IF the phyto is costing you money, you can send this way WITHOUT a phyto. Cheap, easy.

Cheers,
Carolyn
Thanks for the information Carolyn! That is very helpful. Unfortunately I think we will still need a phytosanitary as it will not be able to leave Brazil due to their strict customs. I'll ask you for help if need be.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: 9B in Brazil on November 23, 2021, 09:40:43 PM
Yes Luc’s is the toughest of the bunch, and still a dioecious, 20 year total longshot for coastal nor cal.
Aichacharu is one of the tastiest Garcinia’s, I enjoy them alot more than mangosteen, but I’ve killed them all multiple times.  quote author=Pedroboy link=topic=45745.msg445485#msg445485 date=1637692736]
One of the items on the inventory provided that interests me is Bacupari (G. Gardneriana).

Just wondering if anybody out there can render a verdict on both the adaptability and fruit quality of
Bacupari vs. Achachairu (G. Humilis). Among the usual list of Florida sellers - PIN, Everglades and  Plantogram, Achachairu is the one that's always offered.

I'm currently growing a handful of Luc's Garcinia in the shade of some canopy (but without special protection otherwise) here on the No. Central Calif. Coast without incident so far, and am curious to know if I can expect Luc's to be the toughest of the bunch. Thanks for any input.
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G. gardneriana, bacupari, is native from the Amazon to the South of Brazil (zone 9), but not in coastal areas. (I'm not sure it's salt tolerant.) The fruit is bittersweet to sweet, ripening from May to July in the Northern hemisphere.

G. humilis, achachairu, is native to Bolivia and high deserts.  This could be a dry zone 9.  If you're more inland, this might work for you, though coastal fog may be a factor as is salt.  The flavor is sweet and lightly acidic, ripening June/July in the Northern hemisphere.

This info is from "Frutas no Brasil" by Harri Lorenzi, pp 213-215.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 23, 2021, 10:56:24 PM
Do you have any description for the many varieties offered, such as fruit to seed ratio, Brix/sweetness, fruit size, and precociousness?
I don't have any descriptions of the varieties offered, google is going to be your best friend. Here is a link to the seller's original thread with some pictures/ descriptions: https://tropicalfruitforum.com/index.php?topic=42000.0
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 25, 2021, 01:15:52 AM
Updated thread please read. Pictures will be posted shortly, and you all who are interested will need to pm me what you are buying before nov.27.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 25, 2021, 09:16:25 AM
Pictures are here

(https://i.postimg.cc/MXs8zbxv/1062a699-9f03-4a15-8ae1-53cad62be054.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MXs8zbxv)

(https://i.postimg.cc/kR53xDNJ/4a76c6fc-f5f1-4715-be40-a571e8885525.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kR53xDNJ)

(https://i.postimg.cc/mzjWz7Hp/a135ac76-22e7-463c-b5f7-dd26eea151b5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/mzjWz7Hp) jaboticaba tigrada

(https://i.postimg.cc/c61Sqkpp/aff85ee6-1bed-4b8b-9c3a-ea775802a2b2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/c61Sqkpp)


(https://i.postimg.cc/jD22sdGr/IMG-2254.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jD22sdGr)plinia coronata acu de bahia





(https://i.postimg.cc/kR5DYQ3L/5180a78d-9f0b-4f1d-98b6-ad9a7523af70.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kR5DYQ3L)eugenia dysenterica


Let me know if you want a certain fruit picture. It is too hard to upload them all.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: FV Fruit Freak on November 25, 2021, 10:41:50 AM
Happy Turkey Day :) It would be great to see some pictures of the Eugenias, there’s hardly any info out there about the ones Andre have listed. Thanks
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Timbogrow on November 25, 2021, 12:29:23 PM
I would be interested in 10seeds of garcinia sp.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Satya on November 25, 2021, 12:43:33 PM
These are the ones i am interested in. But don't need 10 of each. Anyone willing to split in half? Please pm and let me know which ones and how many you want.




1.Plinia sp. jabuticaba tigrada new $5,00 cada
2. Plinia sp jabuticaba cabacinha new $5,00
3. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Cruz new $5,00 cada
4. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Listra New $5,00 cada
5. Plinia coronata açú da Bahia $5,00 cada

6. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra new $5,00 cada
7. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra verde new $5,00 cada
8. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho branco new $5,00 cada
9. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho gigante new $5,00 cada
10. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada da Bahia Cabinho grosso
11. Plinia caipirinha new $5,00 cada
12. Plinia nana new $5,00 cada
13. Plinia trunciflora new $5,00 cada
14. Plinia coronata olho de boi new $5,00 cada
15. Plinia sp. jabuticaba Enrugada
16.Mouriri sp. Puçá amarelo gigante $8,00 cada   
17.Campomanesia adamantium $2,00 cada   
18.Campomanesia pubescens$2,00 cada   
19.Eugênia beaureipaireana $5,00 cada   
20.Eugênia sp laranja $5,00 cada   
21.Eugênia involucrata preta $5,00 cada   
22.Eugênia mattosii $5,00 cada   

23. Eugênia piriformis gigante $5,00 cada     
24. Eugenia piriformis brinco de princesa $5,00 cada   
25 Eugenia klotzschiana - if he is selling???
26.Myrciaria dúbia $3,00 cada   
27. Myrciaria floribunda vermelha $5.00
28.Garcinia sp. Bacupari bh $5,00 cada
29.Dipterix alata, Barú
30.Annona monticola $5,00 cada
31. Annona salzmanii $3,00 cada
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: hammer524 on November 25, 2021, 01:46:11 PM
These are the ones i am interested in. But don't need 10 of each. Anyone willing to split in half? Please pm and let me know which ones and how many you want.



1.Plinia sp. jabuticaba tigrada new $5,00 cada
2. Plinia sp jabuticaba cabacinha new $5,00
3. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Cruz new $5,00 cada
4. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Listra New $5,00 cada
5. Plinia coronata açú da Bahia $5,00 cada

6. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra new $5,00 cada
7. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra verde new $5,00 cada
8. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho branco new $5,00 cada
9. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho gigante new $5,00 cada
10. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada da Bahia Cabinho grosso
11. Plinia caipirinha new $5,00 cada
12. Plinia nana new $5,00 cada
13. Plinia trunciflora new $5,00 cada
14. Plinia coronata olho de boi new $5,00 cada
15. Plinia sp. jabuticaba Enrugada
16.Mouriri sp. Puçá amarelo gigante $8,00 cada   
17.Campomanesia adamantium $2,00 cada   
18.Campomanesia pubescens$2,00 cada   
19.Eugênia beaureipaireana $5,00 cada   
20.Eugênia sp laranja $5,00 cada   
21.Eugênia involucrata preta $5,00 cada   
22.Eugênia mattosii $5,00 cada   

23. Eugênia piriformis gigante $5,00 cada      
24. Eugenia piriformis brinco de princesa $5,00 cada   
25 Eugenia klotzschiana - if he is selling???
26.Myrciaria dúbia $3,00 cada   
27. Myrciaria floribunda vermelha $5.00
28.Garcinia sp. Bacupari bh $5,00 cada
29.Dipterix alata, Barú
30.Annona monticola $5,00 cada
31. Annona salzmanii $3,00 cada

I would be willing to split these with you for 5 seeds each

Plinia sp, jaboticaba tigrada
Plinia Caipirinha
Plinia Coronota Olho de boi
Campomanesia adamantium
Campomanesia pubescens
Eugênia piriformis gigante
Eugenia klotzschiana
Eugenia piriformis brinco de princesa

Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Satya on November 25, 2021, 02:02:30 PM
The ones crossed have already received request for splitting from Abimael777 and hammer524, so the remaining ones can still be split.



1.Plinia sp. jabuticaba tigrada new $5,00 cada
2. Plinia sp jabuticaba cabacinha new $5,00
3. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Cruz new $5,00 cada
4. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Listra New $5,00 cada
5. Plinia coronata açú da Bahia $5,00 cada


6. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra new $5,00 cada
7. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra verde new $5,00 cada
8. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho branco new $5,00 cada
9. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho gigante new $5,00 cada
10. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada da Bahia Cabinho grosso
11. Plinia caipirinha new $5,00 cada
12. Plinia nana new $5,00 cada
13. Plinia trunciflora new $5,00 cada
14. Plinia coronata olho de boi new $5,00 cada
15. Plinia sp. jabuticaba Enrugada
16.Mouriri sp. Puçá amarelo gigante $8,00 cada   
17.Campomanesia adamantium $2,00 cada   
18.Campomanesia pubescens$2,00 cada   
19.Eugênia beaureipaireana $5,00 cada 
20.Eugênia sp laranja $5,00 cada   
21.Eugênia involucrata preta $5,00 cada   
22.Eugênia mattosii $5,00 cada   


23. Eugênia piriformis gigante $5,00 cada     
24. Eugenia piriformis brinco de princesa $5,00 cada   
25 Eugenia klotzschiana - if he is selling???
26.Myrciaria dúbia $3,00 cada   
27. Myrciaria floribunda vermelha $5.00
28.Garcinia sp. Bacupari bh $5,00 cada
29.Dipterix alata, Barú
30.Annona monticola $5,00 cada
31. Annona salzmanii $3,00 cada
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Polypterus on November 25, 2021, 02:15:45 PM
Anyone interested in splitting an order of the following seeds? I only need about 5 of each:

Annona monticola
Annona tomentosa
Annona vepretorum
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 25, 2021, 02:34:41 PM
I’m going to update the list of people. Keep in mind that the order is first come first serve. I will also update with ESTIMATED total prices so you can plan on what you will need to pay. You can view the list via the Google docs in the first part of this thread. I plan for only 15 people. If I have more than 15 people interested, whoever sent the pm first will get in the order. Also amount of seeds purchased will determine also.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: K-Rimes on November 25, 2021, 04:36:59 PM
I would like to do 5 of:

Jabuticaba de Cruz
Pyriformis gigante
Eugenia dysenterica
Eugenia laranja
Eugênia beaureipaireana

Campomanesia adamantium

Anyone in on a split of 10 with me?

Thanks y'all,
Kevin



1.Plinia sp. jabuticaba tigrada new $5,00 cada
2. Plinia sp jabuticaba cabacinha new $5,00
3. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Cruz new $5,00 cada
4. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Listra New $5,00 cada
5. Plinia coronata açú da Bahia $5,00 cada

6. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra new $5,00 cada
7. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra verde new $5,00 cada
8. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho branco new $5,00 cada
9. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho gigante new $5,00 cada
10. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada da Bahia Cabinho grosso
11. Plinia caipirinha new $5,00 cada
12. Plinia nana new $5,00 cada
13. Plinia trunciflora new $5,00 cada
14. Plinia coronata olho de boi new $5,00 cada
15. Plinia sp. jabuticaba Enrugada
16.Mouriri sp. Puçá amarelo gigante $8,00 cada   
17.Campomanesia adamantium $2,00 cada   
18.Campomanesia pubescens$2,00 cada   
19.Eugênia beaureipaireana $5,00 cada   
20.Eugênia sp laranja $5,00 cada   
21.Eugênia involucrata preta $5,00 cada   
22.Eugênia mattosii $5,00 cada   

 Eugênia piriformis gigante     
24. Eugenia piriformis brinco de princesa $5,00 cada   
25 Eugenia klotzschiana - if he is selling???
26.Myrciaria dúbia $3,00 cada   
27. Myrciaria floribunda vermelha $5.00
28.Garcinia sp. Bacupari bh $5,00 cada
29.Dipterix alata, Barú
30.Annona monticola $5,00 cada
31. Annona salzmanii $3,00 cada
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 25, 2021, 05:31:30 PM
I'm capping the order at 10 people, Seeds being bought are a lot so...First come, first serve, You are allowed to join after 10 if I had told you previously you could join. I'm going to get everything sorted out tonight....
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: shmojojojo on November 25, 2021, 07:13:09 PM
You can find vids and pics of quite a few of these fruits here https://www.youtube.com/c/FRUTASRARASadhemargomes/videos (https://www.youtube.com/c/FRUTASRARASadhemargomes/videos) and here https://www.facebook.com/FrutasRarass/ (https://www.facebook.com/FrutasRarass/)

Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated 11/25/21 ORDER deadline is on NOV.27!!!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 25, 2021, 09:01:25 PM
Order is closed for new people. If you have sent me a pm before now, you can be on the list, I will need your order by the 27th.
Here is the google doc with whats happening:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Olxdd_ZJ2tWz6y7y1KlPma_9nXOJEjcjiyVdti85yI4/edit

The list also lists how much you need to pay for the seeds, it does not include the shipping and other fees, so payment will not begin until calculated by seller in a couple of days

I hope I have not bitten off more than I can chew, I will need everyone's cooperation to make this a success. Please stay tuned for payment info in the next week.


Please go over your order and make sure you are ok with what you are going to pay. I do not want anyone to back out cause of price after I get quote from seller.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: Satya on November 26, 2021, 05:26:03 AM
For friends who want to piggyback with me to split the order to 5 seeds each (instead of getting the minimum 10 seeds as required by the seller), i have until today evening to submit the final count to jaboticaba45. These below are the ones that are still remaining to be split so please let me know asap if you are interested.


Also, friends who have already submitted your order and count to jaboticaba45, and you want to purchase 5 seeds instead of 10 and have any of these from the list below please message me directly :



2. Plinia sp jabuticaba cabacinha new $5,00
3. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Cruz new $5,00 cada
4. Plinia sp. jabuticaba de Listra New $5,00 cada
5. Plinia coronata açú da Bahia $5,00 cada
6. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada Gigante de listra new $5,00 cada
8. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada cabinho branco new $5,00 cada
10. Plinia sp. jabuticaba rajada da Bahia Cabinho grosso
13. Plinia trunciflora new $5,00 cada

15. Plinia sp. jabuticaba Enrugada
16.Mouriri sp. Puçá amarelo gigante $8,00 cada   
22.Eugênia mattosii $5,00 cada

26.Myrciaria dúbia $3,00 cada   
27. Myrciaria floribunda vermelha $5.00
29.Dipterix alata, Barú
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:01:13 AM
Annona coriacea
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(https://i.postimg.cc/GBrDDVHq/14bf21fb-ef92-40a2-901a-e74fadd553ff.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GBrDDVHq)

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(https://i.postimg.cc/zVsKzV5m/6ec030d4-85b6-4a4b-b781-c6349a056245.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/zVsKzV5m)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vcg5w5JL/7f2e13d8-d889-4536-b9a7-d14b28b4d3f5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vcg5w5JL)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Hrb5Vdsr/8a9e8b6b-5b74-4466-8485-5c6552e6e43c.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Hrb5Vdsr)

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(https://i.postimg.cc/PL4wQyDh/98bd727e-0cd4-412a-a418-ecec34722223.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PL4wQyDh)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:06:27 AM
Garcinia sp. Bacupari
(https://i.postimg.cc/68GsZbD2/20211126220647.png) (https://postimg.cc/68GsZbD2)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Wt9xHPVq/D-NQ-NP-612990-MLB44964836211-022021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Wt9xHPVq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLLBVkqg/D-NQ-NP-706244-MLB44964806573-022021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLLBVkqg)

(https://i.postimg.cc/HVRRT4Vp/D-NQ-NP-981692-MLB44964786887-022021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/HVRRT4Vp)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:13:53 AM
annona Vepretorum
(https://i.postimg.cc/hhq3ZPNG/D-NQ-NP-656638-MLB45793558624-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hhq3ZPNG)

(https://i.postimg.cc/G49MTBTX/D-NQ-NP-724755-MLB45793540918-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/G49MTBTX)

(https://i.postimg.cc/jLMgj62W/D-NQ-NP-836336-MLB45793593357-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jLMgj62W)

(https://i.postimg.cc/vgwXK3qK/D-NQ-NP-879634-MLB45793551763-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/vgwXK3qK)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Sn5g6yWk/D-NQ-NP-926632-MLB45793566570-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Sn5g6yWk)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Y4Wb8J3g/D-NQ-NP-969350-MLB45793601297-052021-O-webp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Y4Wb8J3g)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:15:17 AM
Bacupari do cerrado

(https://i.postimg.cc/kRtNs89c/01d867f9-f17b-4b22-9c3f-0580f77fcc70.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/kRtNs89c)

(https://i.postimg.cc/XpdcywsN/2720a345-80f2-498e-97cf-cdfe2d5e37d7.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XpdcywsN)

(https://i.postimg.cc/MXhmTsbr/7a7d825d-e6a8-46a1-bae5-10da315753c1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/MXhmTsbr)

(https://i.postimg.cc/Lq6z7G2h/ada040a5-b8e0-4b17-8cc3-b77032461433.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Lq6z7G2h)

(https://i.postimg.cc/75N3Kqvp/c3b61393-de45-4577-9fbb-4ea931589168.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/75N3Kqvp)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:17:15 AM
Picture of Jabuter fruit. Andre, there are all the posts, I won’t post them 8)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: wangyouqin on November 26, 2021, 09:37:03 AM
Annona salzmannii

(https://i.postimg.cc/F1G9Zq17/20211126223331.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/F1G9Zq17)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: Satya on November 26, 2021, 04:21:04 PM
I am closing my split cluster order and will post all the individual quantities with totals for each member tonight. FYI, there will be an extra domestic usps shipping charge to ship from me to you, you can choose your shipping speed, but we prefer to ship usps priority. This will be on top of the phyto+international shipping cost that will be divided between all of us from Ryan's google doc list.

Do not paypal me anything until you get your final total (after we know our international  + phyto charge).
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: Paraponera on November 26, 2021, 07:22:24 PM
Sent a PM with my updated list.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 26, 2021, 08:12:16 PM
I updated the lists. Please view before I send to seller to calculate total cost. PLEASE VIEW THE ORDER BEFORE I GO TO SELLER ONCE I GO TO SELLER AND THE ORDER IS DONE< NO CHANGING SEEDS
This order is way bigger than I thought. Ideally I would like it to be 4-5 people, but hey once you start something....
Anyways, if the fees we need to pay is outrageously high due to lots of seeds and lots of different species of seeds being ordered, I might call the order off. I feel like it is best to do 4-5 people. After seeing the list, looks like we are getting over 40 species :blank: . Anyways, I'll get back to you guys to discuss payment strategies. Also, to make the order easier, I am having 1 person in charge of shipping the packages out from places. For example, there are several people in the order in CA, TX, and FL. I have already got 1 person in CA who will get the seeds from me then distribute to the people in CA. If you live in TX or FL and want to help out and make my life easier, Please pm me. This already is starting to feel crazy and I haven't even done finals yet ::) ::) ::) ::) . Wish you all a good weekend,
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Updated PLEASE READ IF YOU ARE IN ORDER
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 27, 2021, 11:40:13 AM
I’ve decided to cut back on this order. Capping it at 6 people total including me. To decide who makes the cut, the individuals ordering the most seeds will make the cut. Here’s why I have cut back - to reduce middle men, keep the order easier to organize…Will send out a pm to people and will update who is on the lists. I originally wanted to cap at 10 but look at the list we have around 20. By capping at 6, it allows me to ship out to you people and not rely on others, also it is easier. Adding anymore people to the order just makes it too hard to keep track of and the discounts are outweighed by the time. The deadline for changing your order is done, to keep things fair I will not let anyone change their order to get on the order. I feel bad and want to not be biased. I feel like this is fair for everyone. Once again, I apologize for this update, and also apologize for your guys time. At least we didn’t start the payment stage then change. I hope you guys understand why I am doing this.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PLEASE SEE CHANGES ORDER CHANGE
Post by: shmojojojo on November 27, 2021, 03:55:24 PM
No worries man. I don’t blame you. This thing got out of control quick :o Im not sure if I made the final cut, but there’s enough interest here that the people who didn’t make it can form their own side groups like Sayta did. Thanks for getting the ball rolling
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Seeds not shipped yet
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 27, 2021, 10:39:10 PM
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Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PLEASE SEE CHANGES ORDER CHANGE
Post by: elouicious on November 28, 2021, 05:58:54 AM
please add nissaversa to my order, we will share
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PLEASE SEE CHANGES ORDER CHANGE
Post by: Satya on November 28, 2021, 06:54:52 AM
Hi guys,
i am writing here instead of private messaging you all individually,: abemael777, hammer524, Cerkat, BluMalibu, K-Rimes, Polypterus , all who joined in to make this sub-group with me to help with the order. I learnt from Ryan (jaboticaba45)  late last night that i was not included in the order. Some of you were wondering why so i want to make it all clear here. Together we had over 30 species and i was one of the early ones who had contacted him with the order, plus i had sent our final order in a timely manner and did not make any late changes so i was not eliminated on those grounds. I was eliminated because my order(combined with you all) was too large and Ryan has exams coming up and it will be hard on him. I had organized all of you 6 in a nice excel sheet and made sure that Ryan gets a single order from me so he would have to deal with one person and not 7. Also if he had asked, i could have taken responsibility for the whole 15 people because organizing is not a big deal for me but it was not communicated to me from the very beginning. Plus i diid not know the inside arrangements with the seller and the permit provider.


I am disheartened like all of you are, and apologize to all of you for this. I have no experience with buying from this seller and Brazil and with the permit so if any of you have a seed import permit and want to help me out with that, will be much appreciated. This has been a good learning experience for me. The initial idea was to get more plants for my food forest but the feeling of helping this community of forum friends seeped in me. If any forum friend has permit and want to help us and be added in the group please step forward and let me know. If you have communicated with the seller before: K-Rimes you speak Portuguese so would you be able to ask seller if we can send the order today? we have our individual orders in our group of 7 all organized so this will be fast. I am also ready to embrace friends who have been left out from the original Ryan's order.


I will start a new topic with for this order if a permit comes through. Forum member Daintree had mentioned having a permit so i will contact her but someone local here in South FL will help cut the shipping prices if i find one. Let's all cross our fingers and make this happen!!!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PLEASE SEE CHANGES ORDER CHANGE
Post by: Cerakat on November 28, 2021, 07:56:48 AM
Thank you Satya and Ryan!  Fingers crossed all goes well!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PLEASE SEE CHANGES ORDER CHANGE
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on November 28, 2021, 05:32:29 PM
I just sent out our order to seller.
I again apologize to everyone who didn't make the order. Especially sorry for Satya's group. But am glad that you are planning to do an order and hopefully can get more people in and spread some seed out! I wish the best to you all.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: Surfmatt on November 28, 2021, 09:29:36 PM
I know I might be too late to join a group, but I'm in Florida and would also like to go half with some people for 5 seeds of each of these:

Campomanesia xanthocarpa
Campomanesia sp. 01 red
Campomanesia pubescens
Campomanesia adamantium
Myrciaria strigipes
Plinia sp. jabuticaba tigrada
Eugênia beaureipaireana
Eugênia disentérica
Eugênia piriformis gigante
Cajuí vermelho
Abricó da praia 
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: nattyfroootz on November 29, 2021, 01:52:15 PM
I just reached out the USDA and asked about whether they would refuse entry to seeds that have germinated in transit. 

Ultimately they said that it would be circumstantial and they would have to see the package before making a decision, but, to look at the USDA's plants for planting manual and see if the plant has a restricted live plant material status.  Eugenia spp. is one of the species that is restricted entry.  So be careful if planning on going through the USDA permit system. 

Plants for planting manual:
https://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/plants/manuals/ports/downloads/plants_for_planting.pdf
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 01, 2021, 09:06:06 AM
Seller just got back to me with quote, prices are good. Will send out a pm to those on the order with payment details later today. Thanks for your time!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 01, 2021, 12:18:31 PM
I just sent out pms regarding payment. Here is how it was calculated
Cost of seeds
Price of phyto, shipping, and his paypal fee (added up and divided by 7)
Price of my time and shipping
And paypal fee*

Let me know of any questions or concerns.
Best,
Ryan

The seven of us order a collective total of 602 seeds. :)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: Bush2Beach on December 01, 2021, 03:33:04 PM
Hard to calculate the price and worth of your time this far in.
I just sent out pms regarding payment. Here is how it was calculated
Cost of seeds
Price of phyto, shipping, and his paypal fee (added up and divided by 7)
Price of my time and shipping
And paypal fee*

Let me know of any questions or concerns.
Best,
Ryan

The seven of us order a collective total of 602 seeds. :)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil Order Placed
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 01, 2021, 06:17:27 PM
Yeah totally understand,
I figured that an extra $7 is fair to cover my time and shipping supplies.
Hard to calculate the price and worth of your time this far in.
I just sent out pms regarding payment. Here is how it was calculated
Cost of seeds
Price of phyto, shipping, and his paypal fee (added up and divided by 7)
Price of my time and shipping
And paypal fee*

Let me know of any questions or concerns.
Best,
Ryan

The seven of us order a collective total of 602 seeds. :)
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PAYMENT STAGE
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 02, 2021, 01:04:53 PM
Thanks to the 3 people who already paid. Hoping everyone could pay before the weekend so I can pay seller soon.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PAYMENT STAGE
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 02, 2021, 10:21:46 PM
Thanks everyone for being quick to pay. Just waiting on 1 more person. Trying to pay asap - 2 of the seeds have already gone out of season. Luckily they were replaced with some similar stuff. (If this happened to you, you would have been notified.)

Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil PAYMENT STAGE
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 03, 2021, 09:43:27 AM
Good morning all,
Thanks for paying quickly.
I just sent the money to the seller. Will get back to you with more information when needed.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 06, 2021, 11:56:16 AM
Just wanted to give a quick update.
Just had the first final and I feel great about it. Thanks for the support!
Anyway,
The main reason is to update you guys that seller will ship no later than next Wednesday. I expect the seeds to arrive in about 2 weeks (around a week and a half from Brazil then another couple of days to me). So the seeds will arrive around Christmas? Not a good time still trying to figure out what is best. USPS is already screwing up my packages. Little worried about the seeds taking more time when I ship to you.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: elouicious on December 06, 2021, 03:14:41 PM
If you can keep them on vermiculite with a little water that should be fine and maybe even germinate along the way,

I can send a little $$ to buy a bag of vermiculite if needed-

P.S. good luck with the final
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 06, 2021, 05:57:14 PM
If you can keep them on vermiculite with a little water that should be fine and maybe even germinate along the way,

I can send a little $$ to buy a bag of vermiculite if needed-

P.S. good luck with the final
Thanks!
No worries on the money,
that was why I included the extra $7 in the fee -
Just ordered some.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: Paraponera on December 06, 2021, 06:33:25 PM
Just wanted to give a quick update.
Just had the first final and I feel great about it. Thanks for the support!
Anyway,
The main reason is to update you guys that seller will ship no later than next Wednesday. I expect the seeds to arrive in about 2 weeks (around a week and a half from Brazil then another couple of days to me). So the seeds will arrive around Christmas? Not a good time still trying to figure out what is best. USPS is already screwing up my packages. Little worried about the seeds taking more time when I ship to you.

Well done! I'm sure you did great.

Everything arrived clean and germinating last time from André, though it did take twice as long due to mail issues at the time. However, end result was great! Everything is still alive and he was really cool to work with. Thanks for getting this going Ryan!

Cheers,
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: ManVFruit on December 07, 2021, 06:24:14 PM
A lot of work and effort went into this, credit to you sir!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Payment Made
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 16, 2021, 12:30:34 PM
Hello all,
I apologize for the delay in shipping. Seller hasn't shipped yet, but everything is ready to go. We are just waiting for them to get the phyto approved.
I expect them to be shipped in no more than a week. Probably less.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Waiting for seeds to ship
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 22, 2021, 02:42:11 PM
Good news - the seeds have been shipped. Will let everyone who is on the order know the tracking number.
Happy Holidays!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 25, 2021, 01:15:07 PM
Hello and Merry Christmas,
we've encountered a slight problem in the order...the seller hasn't sent all the seeds we ordered. We ordered 602, but he is only sending 566. I've reached out to the seller earlier this week about the problem and he said he will get back to me. I'm asking for a refund for those seeds, and if your seeds were not sent, you will get a refund. Not too worried as it is only ~40 seeds total. For example, 2 people ordered 10 each of a species, but he only sent 10 seeds total, not 20. I'll do my best to make things right.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: nattyfroootz on December 29, 2021, 06:39:29 PM
How's this going for you guys?

Just got a call from USDA that i'm not allowed to have seeds shipped in a vermiculite medium. They are also going to destroy any seeds that are germinated.  Further, the original hardcopy phytosanitary certificate needs to be included. 

Best of luck to you guys, hope you are luckier than me.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on December 29, 2021, 07:13:20 PM
How's this going for you guys?

Just got a call from USDA that i'm not allowed to have seeds shipped in a vermiculite medium. They are also going to destroy any seeds that are germinated.  Further, the original hardcopy phytosanitary certificate needs to be included. 

Best of luck to you guys, hope you are luckier than me.
nattyfroootz,
Thanks for the update.
According to the tracking it seems like it has cleared customs just don’t know if they burned the seeds or not…fingers crossed. I believe the seller does ship in vermiculite. The seller did ship with phyto so I assume it was included in shipment lol. I hope the seeds aren’t starting to germinate…people who have ordered from him before said that the seeds they received were germinating. Seems like USDA is getting even more strict. When I was reading about small lots of seed import it seemed like they just wanted the seeds sent without a medium in a bag? Makes no sense as they’ll die? I wonder if it depends on the port of entry as the USDA officers could be varying in strictness? I’ll keep everyone updated when it arrives.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: nattyfroootz on December 29, 2021, 07:26:12 PM
Yeah it seems a little strange that they aren't accepting any medium, as I have called in on a previous seed order to ask about the inclusion of a medium.  I had gotten no push back, and even received a call from the office saying that, "my seeds looked really cool."  It might just be the officer, but, we'll see. 

I've got some work arounds to try and make this still viable, but we'll see. 

Did you have your address on the package as well as the Yellow and Green Label? Cuz if so, that bypasses the inspection station usually. Which is the incorrect way to do it, but customs usually seems to think it's a pass because it looks official, I think.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Paraponera on December 29, 2021, 08:35:28 PM
That is strange indeed. Every recalcitrant seed that anyone on this forum gets from outside the US comes with a medium.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: nattyfroootz on December 30, 2021, 12:15:00 PM
Some questions I asked the USDA officer and the responses.  Some things I still need to figure out, as in, how to specify a permit that is intended for "Planting and Propagation", a different permit than the SLOS?

Hope this helps others in their imports in the future.


The seller includes a Phytosanitary certificate from Brazil, but I notice that the stipulations of my permit mention that if i meet the requirements of my permit a Phytosanitary is not necessary to be included.  Does the inclusion of a Brazilian PC negate any part of my permit and therefore require different procedures on packaging, shipment, etc.?
Due to the fact that this shipment was not in compliance with the Small Lots of Seeds (SLOS) permit conditions, a phytosanitary certificate is required. If you were in compliance with all of the shipping and packing requirements, a PC would not be required.
 
If the seller gets a Phytosanitary certificate in Brazil, does that mean that I should have one for US entry as well?
Excluding specific exemptions ( Small Lots of Seeds), all plants for planting offered for importation must be accompanied by a valid phytosanitary certificate issued by the exporting country
 
Are the small lots seeds permit requirements set in stone? As in, is it possible that I can have seeds shipped in a “foreign matter”, amending my current conditions on my permit? Some of the seeds are recalcitrant and are therefore sensitive to drying out.
If you need to ship seeds packed in an approved packing material (vermiculite is approved), then you need to use a permit listing the scientific genus name you plan to import, the plant part seed, and the intended use of “Planting and Propagation”. The importing procedure with this new permit would be exactly the same, except you would be required to have a PC and you wouldn’t have to comply with all of the extra packing and shipping conditions your current permit requires. It is very unlikely the wording of your SLOS permit will be changed, as this is a policy decision that applies to all Small Lots of Seeds permit holders.
 
I just checked out the Post-entry quarantine process and didn’t see Eugenia spp. listed, and the subtext under the selection box mentioning that if it is not included in the list then it is not allowed entry at all.  Am I looking in the right area or are they just generally prohibited?
Page 6-492 lists all plant propagules other than seed as Post Entry Quarantine material when it comes from anywhere except Canada. Some of the Eugenia seeds in your shipment have sprouted, which means they are no longer regulated as seeds. This is going to result in you losing 2 packets of Eugenia seed at minimum, as you have to have the permitting done before you import that material.
 
Ultimately, I do believe that I don’t have a facility that is adequate to meet post entry requirements (most likely).  Although I will be building an indoor propagation and quarantine space. Is there anywhere I can see the requirements for post entry growing facility spaces?
If you are interested in the post entry process and potentially getting a permit to import that material, I would recommend that you read chapter 5-1 to 5-10 of the Plant’s for Planting manual. This will help you understand the process and requirements and give you instructions on how to move forward with the process. The rest of chapter 5 is helpful, but mostly just talks about special requirements for specific post entry genera.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 30, 2021, 03:24:20 PM
Ooooof. Sorry Nate, that sucks. My seeds came in fine but were a small order. I think that once you get to big kahuna order sizes, you'll catch the eye of the inspector. The desire to get these species runs high in all of us and it's painful to not get them freely - though I understand the mission of USDA, it is so sad to have your expensive order of seeds get razed.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Paraponera on December 30, 2021, 09:07:04 PM
Sorry to hear that happened. It still seems really vague and up to interpretation for germinated seeds... I can't help but think that someone somewhere has a really nice confiscated fruit tree garden in the works. Hopefully I'm wrong.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: K-Rimes on December 31, 2021, 12:55:30 PM
Sorry to hear that happened. It still seems really vague and up to interpretation for germinated seeds... I can't help but think that someone somewhere has a really nice confiscated fruit tree garden in the works. Hopefully I'm wrong.

That sweet, sweet USDA pension plan is probably more than enough for these guys to yeet them into the incinerator without even blinking an eye. Not worth keeping compared to a steady job, I'm sure!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Paraponera on December 31, 2021, 01:44:01 PM
Sorry to hear that happened. It still seems really vague and up to interpretation for germinated seeds... I can't help but think that someone somewhere has a really nice confiscated fruit tree garden in the works. Hopefully I'm wrong.

That sweet, sweet USDA pension plan is probably more than enough for these guys to yeet them into the incinerator without even blinking an eye. Not worth keeping compared to a steady job, I'm sure!

Human stupidity and greed wins out more often than you might expect. You give people too much credit if you always expect them to do the right or logical thing.

Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 12, 2022, 02:18:08 AM
Wow! Things looking good. Contacted dhl and was told the package was to be held again by customs for another 1-2 weeks...Looks like it's the opposite...Package should be arriving any day now! Maybe 1-2 days until the forwarder gets it! Of course there is a chance things go wrong or tracking is messed up...
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: BellamyTrees on January 12, 2022, 01:28:48 PM
Seeds are in, I already have them packaged in a USPS priority mail box. I am shipping them out tomorrow!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: nattyfroootz on January 12, 2022, 03:28:51 PM
My seeds are being held because of pests being found. I really got the worst inspector possible...lol
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 12, 2022, 05:42:29 PM
I got everything ready for shipping. Will send out first thing next Monday based on tracking. If not, it will be earlier.
Nattyfrootz, good luck with your order. Wishing the best in clearing customs!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 13, 2022, 11:10:20 PM
So the seeds are arriving tomorrow...Does it sound better to ship tomorrow, or ship on Tuesday? Just realized that Monday is a holiday so post office will be closed. Either the seeds can spend the weekend at my place or at the post office...Colder temps are coming in the weekend, so even though the seeds will be fine at the shipping place, it might be better to wait just in case (only time they get damaged is when left out after delivery)? Also, we seem to be missing around 40 seeds based on what the seller sent in the invoice, I need to contact the seller to sort it out.For instance 2 people ordered the same species (10 each) but only receiving 10 total seeds. I wouldn't mind shipping all to 1 person and give the other a refund or split them both? When talking with someone else, they said split the seeds in the case we don't get a refund. But some seeds have germinated and will be hard to split...Wouldn't want to damage the sprouts. Thoughts? Anyways, it's a small amount of seeds so I hope we all are content and no hard feelings involved. I'll do my best to be fair. I know we all are anxious to get our seeds so I'll probably ship tomorrow as cold shouldn't and isn't a factor based on what I have heard from others.

This order wouldn't have been possible without the help of several people. I was able to get great advice and help from them. You know who you are, thanks a lot! I again apologize to the people who didn't get on the order...lesson learned. May consider doing another order in the near future, and I know it will go much smoother knowing my limits.

For those in the order, I hope we can have success growing these species and spread them around to other growers in the future!
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 14, 2022, 12:48:58 PM

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Seeds are here! Unfortunately, we are missing some stuff, and all the psidiums are listed as psidium sp. so I have no way to tell them apart. I'll contact seller and ask, although how is he to remember??? I'll try to id based off of number bought.
Also,
some other seeds are not named...Seller originally had each person's order in a separate bag, but customs just took them out and threw them into a huge pile...
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: K-Rimes on January 14, 2022, 02:15:29 PM

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Seeds are here! Unfortunately, we are missing some stuff, and all the psidiums are listed as psidium sp. so I have no way to tell them apart. I'll contact seller and ask, although how is he to remember??? I'll try to id based off of number bought.
Also,
some other seeds are not named...Seller originally had each person's order in a separate bag, but customs just took them out and threw them into a huge pile...

Andre mixed my seeds and then we went back and forth sorting them out. He mixes large and small seeds, or oval + spherical in the same pouch so it's usually pretty easy to tell apart. He'll help you out via whatsapp
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 14, 2022, 04:44:51 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/WDWGDR6J/IMG-2386.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDWGDR6J)

Seeds are here! Unfortunately, we are missing some stuff, and all the psidiums are listed as psidium sp. so I have no way to tell them apart. I'll contact seller and ask, although how is he to remember??? I'll try to id based off of number bought.
Also,
some other seeds are not named...Seller originally had each person's order in a separate bag, but customs just took them out and threw them into a huge pile...

Andre mixed my seeds and then we went back and forth sorting them out. He mixes large and small seeds, or oval + spherical in the same pouch so it's usually pretty easy to tell apart. He'll help you out via whatsapp
I’ve contacted seller about this… he labeled most of the bags, but the problem is they are not descriptive. Some looked to be mislabeled like annona vepretorum. No one ordered it and the seeds don’t look annonaey to me they look like a plinia. And labeling seeds plinia cauliflora sp. is confusing. But most look well labeled-well enough to tell what it is. Something like plinia sp jabuticaba de cruz was labeled as plinia cauliflora cruz. I hate growing things that are mislabeled, and I would feel bad selling them or propagating them. Luckily I have a positive ID on around 90 percent of the seeds. Would feel bad spreading around fake species to all. There are numbers on the bags, but don’t seem to help at all. Numbers don’t correspond to order numbers and seed quantity. I think it was maybe written by customs or something.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: ManVFruit on January 14, 2022, 05:18:07 PM

(https://i.postimg.cc/WDWGDR6J/IMG-2386.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/WDWGDR6J)

Seeds are here! Unfortunately, we are missing some stuff, and all the psidiums are listed as psidium sp. so I have no way to tell them apart. I'll contact seller and ask, although how is he to remember??? I'll try to id based off of number bought.
Also,
some other seeds are not named...Seller originally had each person's order in a separate bag, but customs just took them out and threw them into a huge pile...




Andre mixed my seeds and then we went back and forth sorting them out. He mixes large and small seeds, or oval + spherical in the same pouch so it's usually pretty easy to tell apart. He'll help you out via whatsapp
I’ve contacted seller about this… he labeled most of the bags, but the problem is they are not descriptive. Some looked to be mislabeled like annona vepretorum. No one ordered it and the seeds don’t look annonaey to me they look like a plinia. And labeling seeds plinia cauliflora sp. is confusing. But most look well labeled-well enough to tell what it is. Something like plinia sp jabuticaba de cruz was labeled as plinia cauliflora cruz. I hate growing things that are mislabeled, and I would feel bad selling them or propagating them. Luckily I have a positive ID on around 90 percent of the seeds. Would feel bad spreading around fake species to all. There are numbers on the bags, but don’t seem to help at all. Numbers don’t correspond to order numbers and seed quantity. I think it was maybe written by customs or something.



Man I have to say I feel your pain, doing this on large scale and group order is no easy task .
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 14, 2022, 07:09:03 PM
I've sorted out everything based on the best of my abilities. I'll ship on Tuesday. Hopefully seller will respond and give refund for the ~$300 loss. Sucks that most of that loss was on 1 person, not distributed among everyone.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: wangyouqin on January 15, 2022, 07:54:38 AM
I've sorted out everything based on the best of my abilities. I'll ship on Tuesday. Hopefully seller will respond and give refund for the ~$300 loss. Sucks that most of that loss was on 1 person, not distributed among everyone.

It is the issue of quarantine certificates. Some species cannot issue quarantine certificates and can only be replaced by genus (annona SP)
However, Andre's packaging is really confusing. I can only identify it by experience, and sometimes the seeds are missed.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: K-Rimes on January 15, 2022, 11:11:47 AM
I've sorted out everything based on the best of my abilities. I'll ship on Tuesday. Hopefully seller will respond and give refund for the ~$300 loss. Sucks that most of that loss was on 1 person, not distributed among everyone.

Yes, I wondered how losses would be distributed. I hope you all will have luck with germination and refunds due to insect issues.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: nattyfroootz on January 15, 2022, 11:27:54 AM
I got my package and the insects were deemed to be of no concern. 

They destroyed 2 packages of Eugenias that I had that had germinated, although I had gotten packages of Mouriri that were SUPER germinated and they had no issue.  I'm pretty sure Eugenias require the next level plant importation certificate while, Mouriri, which is unlisted is permissable to be imported in with the seed permits.   Not entirely sure, but I'm gonna find out. 
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 15, 2022, 01:10:39 PM
I got my package and the insects were deemed to be of no concern. 

They destroyed 2 packages of Eugenias that I had that had germinated, although I had gotten packages of Mouriri that were SUPER germinated and they had no issue.  I'm pretty sure Eugenias require the next level plant importation certificate while, Mouriri, which is unlisted is permissable to be imported in with the seed permits.   Not entirely sure, but I'm gonna find out.
Interesting...
all of our eugenias came, even though all were starting to germinate.
Edit: we only ordered 2 types of eugenias - e.sulcatta, and e.pyriformis
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Paraponera on January 15, 2022, 02:02:31 PM
I got my package and the insects were deemed to be of no concern. 

They destroyed 2 packages of Eugenias that I had that had germinated, although I had gotten packages of Mouriri that were SUPER germinated and they had no issue.  I'm pretty sure Eugenias require the next level plant importation certificate while, Mouriri, which is unlisted is permissable to be imported in with the seed permits.   Not entirely sure, but I'm gonna find out.
Interesting...
all of our eugenias came, even though all were starting to germinate.
Edit: we only ordered 2 types of eugenias - e.sulcatta, and e.pyriformis

Everything but the E. angustissima... The wound is still fresh. Lol

Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 15, 2022, 03:03:31 PM
I got my package and the insects were deemed to be of no concern. 

They destroyed 2 packages of Eugenias that I had that had germinated, although I had gotten packages of Mouriri that were SUPER germinated and they had no issue.  I'm pretty sure Eugenias require the next level plant importation certificate while, Mouriri, which is unlisted is permissable to be imported in with the seed permits.   Not entirely sure, but I'm gonna find out.
Interesting...
all of our eugenias came, even though all were starting to germinate.
Edit: we only ordered 2 types of eugenias - e.sulcatta, and e.pyriformis

Everything but the E. angustissima... The wound is still fresh. Lol
Totally forgot about them - was just counting the seeds I could see. :P
I’ve contacted seller and he just need to respond…. Looks promising.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 16, 2022, 12:01:51 AM
Ok so the seller responded, and I am getting everything sorted out. Once I send him pictures and proof of what is missing, it looks like he'll either resend or refund. If he resends, I wouldn't mind ordering more seeds if he has some cool things available...but of course we'll have to see what happens. And stuff... Cool cool. Cheers! Also there is a chance he sent everything, but customs took the seeds. Can't tell for sure, but customs may have took the e.angustissima so they could expand their secret garden.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Paraponera on January 16, 2022, 06:23:40 AM
Awesome! I would be down to get a couple more species from Andre as well if he has anything else new. Customs would have made a note of it if they took them...even if to was for their secret garden. You joke about that, but I have seen 19 year servicemembers throw their retirement away for less. You can retire at 20 years of active service in the military.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 16, 2022, 10:15:11 AM
Awesome! I would be down to get a couple more species from Andre as well if he has anything else new. Customs would have made a note of it if they took them...even if to was for their secret garden. You joke about that, but I have seen 19 year servicemembers throw their retirement away for less. You can retire at 20 years of active service in the military.
Your're right, it is customs job to inspect the seeds and determine whether we get them or they go into the incinerator. Without them, our nation's agriculture would be in danger as foreign pests could potentially bring havoc.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 16, 2022, 09:56:59 PM
Ok so I sorted everything out with the seller. Every seed made it. Even the angustissima.
Here is the list so you can sort out what you got. Some were mislabeled and couldn't be ID without the number. For example the angustissima was sent as annona vepretorum. Whether this was to pass customs or such I don't know. Check the numbers on the seed bags to see what seed it is.
I wouldn't mind buying from him again in the future.  :)

01 - 11 packages

01 Annona salzmanii
02 Annona coriacea
03 Mouriri pusa
04 Plinia nana
05 Pouteria butirocarpa
06 Pouteria torta
07 psidium mirtoides
08 goiaba roxa
09 Psidium sp. araça amarelo da caatinga
10 Campomanesia xantocarpa
11 Campomanesia adamantium

02 - 08 packages

01 jabuticaba de cruz
02 Plinia nana
03 Plinia coronata minor
04 jabuticaba cabacinha
05 Eugenia sulcatta
06 Campomanesia adamantium vermelha
07 Goiaba folhas de samambaia
08 Psidium pulcherrimum

03 - 08 packages

01 Annona coriacea gigante
02 Annona spinescens
03 Eugenia sulcatta
04 Bacupari BH
05 Mouriri cearensis
06 Mouriri pusa
07 Mouriri sp. puçá amarelo gigante
08 Plinia nana

04 06 packages

01 Jabuticaba de cruz
02 jabuticaba de cabinho gigante
03 Plinia coronata olho de boi
04 jabuticaba olho de boi
05 jabuticaba dona gal
06 jabuticaba de cabinho grosso

05 - 06 packages

01 Plinia coronata da restinga
02 jabuticaba gigante de listra
03 Plinia trunciflora
04 Plinia coronata olho de boi
05 Plinia enrrugada
06 Myrciaria dubia

06 - 06 packages

01 Eugenia angustissima vermelha
02 Campomanesia adamantium
03 Mouriri cearensis
04 Goiaba roxa
05 Plinia nana
06 Psidium pulcherrimum

07 - 08 packages

01 Plinia nana
02 Eugenia sulcatta
03 Plinia enrrugada
04 Plinia coronata açu
05 Eugenia piriformis gigante
06 Jabuticaba hibrida vermelha
07 Annona monticola
08 Pouteria butirocarpa
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Shipped!
Post by: Pandan on January 16, 2022, 10:32:06 PM
How's this going for you guys? Further, the original hardcopy phytosanitary certificate needs to be included. 
I just remembered they're not accepting e-certificates anymore, utterly ridiculous and an ugly step backwards in an online era.
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 18, 2022, 10:32:48 AM
With the exception of one package, I put all the packages in the mail today.
Please let me know how they arrive and let me know if you need help IDing anything.
Best,
Ryan
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: elouicious on January 20, 2022, 02:49:58 PM
Received the seeds today in great order-

Thanks for coordinating all of this Ryan-

Cheers
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: Jaboticaba45 on January 20, 2022, 09:34:45 PM
Received the seeds today in great order-

Thanks for coordinating all of this Ryan-

Cheers
I'm glad they arrived in good condition. Keep us updated on what successes you have!
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: elouicious on January 20, 2022, 09:43:51 PM
Well so far

01 Annona salzmanii
02 Annona coriacea
03 Mouriri pusa - sprouted
04 Plinia nana - sporouted
05 Pouteria butirocarpa
06 Pouteria torta - sprouted
07 psidium mirtoides
08 goiaba roxa
09 Psidium sp. araça amarelo da caatinga
10 Campomanesia xantocarpa - sprouted
11 Campomanesia adamantium - sprouted
Title: Re: Group seed order from Brazil-Order Here + sorted out!
Post by: shmojojojo on January 20, 2022, 10:14:40 PM
Received my package today. Everything looks great!

Thanks again Ryan! :)